Forum Feedback Deal With Hell.Rocker !!!
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smAsh
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Its not going good on TE. 5 fraud deals in last 6 months. I was thinking on the solutions to prevent frauds and here is what comes to my mind...
1. TE acts like paisapay system.The buyer sends the amount to TE account, seller ships the item and buyer OKays the deal and the money is released to seller. This will not be mandatory for everyone.
2. Every trader has to upload his/her photograph holding a valid photo ID like license, passport or voter ID to TE. This personal information will be kept secret. Since the major cause behind the fraud deals is anonimity, this solution will definitely bring down rate of fraud deals.
1. TE acts like paisapay system.The buyer sends the amount to TE account, seller ships the item and buyer OKays the deal and the money is released to seller. This will not be mandatory for everyone.
2. Every trader has to upload his/her photograph holding a valid photo ID like license, passport or voter ID to TE. This personal information will be kept secret. Since the major cause behind the fraud deals is anonimity, this solution will definitely bring down rate of fraud deals.
malhotraraul
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Blade_Runner said:
I have transferred the money to Anand Kumar (HDFC bank) & i have also attached the link of the scanned receipt emailed to him, its still in this thread.
scanned receipt sent to him "http://www.imgx.org/public/view/full/14674"
^^Nah@smAsh, TE is a tech site first and market is secondary. N00bs should just learn to be more careful. Why put us old timers at an inconvenience just so some newbies can't decide whom to trust? Personal details shouldn't be posted online as it is and passports etc? Spare us.
Next, ppl will be asking for someone to verify the DL/ Passprt/ voter IDs. Photoshop anyone?
Next, ppl will be asking for someone to verify the DL/ Passprt/ voter IDs. Photoshop anyone?
yeah, but the 2nd point will not be acceptable by any member, older or new... btw photoshop is so easy 
smAsh said:
The 2nd point is actually a good idea, only not by TE but by the members themselves.
If a TE member finds him/her self dealing with a member they have not met, they can ask for a photo of the seller holding a valid ID proof. That can be accompanied with a scanned copy of the ID proof. This ofcourse for obvious reasons can't be moderated by TE. Its upto the buyer and seller. If they agree to this, then go ahead with the purchase, else back out, plain and simple.
Some people recommended minimum rep points for access to the Market Section, not a bad idea at all. And something which TE can implement (not sure how hard it will be technically though). This will act as a deterrent for scammers looking for a quick buck. If some one is in it for a long run, the rep points system will not work.
Sorry to hear about your loss.
The lesson here is to not deal with people without successful trades, but a scammer can easily be pulling two IDs, one to sell and another to buy, and that goes out the window.
For my part, I don't deal if I don't either know the seller for something more than the sale. I have bought three or four things from sellers across the country and have not got scammed yet, but as a policy I never sell to outstation members so that I don't have posts like this one referred to me.
I would suggest waiting a while and taking it to the cops.
The lesson here is to not deal with people without successful trades, but a scammer can easily be pulling two IDs, one to sell and another to buy, and that goes out the window.
For my part, I don't deal if I don't either know the seller for something more than the sale. I have bought three or four things from sellers across the country and have not got scammed yet, but as a policy I never sell to outstation members so that I don't have posts like this one referred to me.
I would suggest waiting a while and taking it to the cops.
smAsh said:
:no: It is not foolproof first point is too much of mess for everyone for this Ebay is there.
Second point no one will agree to do this. Are you willing to post your personal and confidential information online like Passport/DL number? if yes never do that those can be misused. Any one can photoshop and edit scanned copies so no use.
one good idea - allow people to sell only if they have more than 300 posts and been active on TE for atleast 6 months!
i'm guessing by this they will be on TE for longer than 6 months and wont be able to spam their way to 300 posts. most will just forget it.
Many spammers would obviously disappear if this is enforced.
i'm guessing by this they will be on TE for longer than 6 months and wont be able to spam their way to 300 posts. most will just forget it.
Many spammers would obviously disappear if this is enforced.
malhotraraul
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This guy would have probably rejoined this site again with different user name & must be going through this thread & laughing at us 
the criminal always returns to the crime scene
the criminal always returns to the crime scene
Not in my book.
One of the reasons I joined TE, for example, was that the market section was actually a good place.
Where the economy is doing well, you'll have slums. Can't be helped - or you can keep a place undeveloped, and attract no new audiences, leaving it to die a slow death.
300 posts is way too much. Had that been the requirement, I wouldn't have stayed on. Forget spammers.
Escrow is a possibility as suggested, but there's no substitute for taking your own precautions. IMO the TS is to blame for dealing with someone with no iTrader and no reps, and only three thread starts to his credit (of which one was his introduction, and the other his market thread). These intentions are easily legible, and unfortunately he has to take it where it hurts as he was clearly the gullible one. Venting it here is all good, but it's not helpful for members in any way than to learn a lesson.
Please use Paypal. Losing 3% is better than losing 100%. The dispute system works well. I learnt this the hard way, when a Mohammed Hussain from Bangalore cheated me of 15K by making an out of system deal on eBay. Needless to say, I never got that money or my stuff.
Ensure you deal with guys that have some reputation, as their first sales will not have any iTrader. Dealers, on the other hand, may not have reps but can build iTrader quickly. Be intelligent, as you would in real life. The forum cannot cure you of gullibility or stupidity (as it did not do for me), so your safety is still your concern.
One of the reasons I joined TE, for example, was that the market section was actually a good place.
Where the economy is doing well, you'll have slums. Can't be helped - or you can keep a place undeveloped, and attract no new audiences, leaving it to die a slow death.
300 posts is way too much. Had that been the requirement, I wouldn't have stayed on. Forget spammers.
Escrow is a possibility as suggested, but there's no substitute for taking your own precautions. IMO the TS is to blame for dealing with someone with no iTrader and no reps, and only three thread starts to his credit (of which one was his introduction, and the other his market thread). These intentions are easily legible, and unfortunately he has to take it where it hurts as he was clearly the gullible one. Venting it here is all good, but it's not helpful for members in any way than to learn a lesson.
Please use Paypal. Losing 3% is better than losing 100%. The dispute system works well. I learnt this the hard way, when a Mohammed Hussain from Bangalore cheated me of 15K by making an out of system deal on eBay. Needless to say, I never got that money or my stuff.
Ensure you deal with guys that have some reputation, as their first sales will not have any iTrader. Dealers, on the other hand, may not have reps but can build iTrader quickly. Be intelligent, as you would in real life. The forum cannot cure you of gullibility or stupidity (as it did not do for me), so your safety is still your concern.
agent_47 said:
Won't work out... Too much of a hassle for the middle-men, and they get involved in something they were never part of. It is very easy for the seller to allege some sort of alliance between the buyer and the middle-man.
It would be better if escrow is possible.. 50:50 payment should be mandatory at least for purchases above a certain limit. Also bazaar section should be made visible only to those with some minimum number of posts.
Also, buyer should make sure that he has the seller contact details before depositing the money. Someone in some other forum also suggested that seller puts up his image also in the sales thread. Sounds a little funny and a little cruel, but anything to help TE maintain its reliable market is welcome..
Very difficult to trust users based on rep points or posts. Just having a few blocks of green and over 800 posts does not make me any more trustworthy than a person new to this forum.
I think TE has got a good system in place. The maximum that users can do is get the transaction completed through an external site like ebay after an agreement is worked out.
I think TE has got a good system in place. The maximum that users can do is get the transaction completed through an external site like ebay after an agreement is worked out.
lol some of the suggestions made me laugh.. mods and admin to be the middleman .. absofukinglytely brilliant.
on topic , here are few rules i follow while purchasing online ..
1) never purchase stuff from new members(<500 posts and <5 trades) who are from a different city..
2) always insist for phone number and talk to the seller for and get all your queries answered ..
3) never just jump into a forum and start trading .. take time to know ppl .. find out who are reputed members and try to deal with them only if possible
4) if bargain aint that great then never go for online transactions .. nothing beats haggling and purchasing stuff in person.
on topic , here are few rules i follow while purchasing online ..
1) never purchase stuff from new members(<500 posts and <5 trades) who are from a different city..
2) always insist for phone number and talk to the seller for and get all your queries answered ..
3) never just jump into a forum and start trading .. take time to know ppl .. find out who are reputed members and try to deal with them only if possible
4) if bargain aint that great then never go for online transactions .. nothing beats haggling and purchasing stuff in person.
I just now only saw this discussion..
@john117, you idea is right.. But there is actually few points, we shud think..
If every1 thinking to buy only from (<500 posts and <5 trades), how come a new person with around 100 or most will sell things over here.
With out selling how come we will make more than 5 trades?..
500 posts, then people will start spamming on the post to make a 500 posts.
Then there will be no one to buy from a person with out 500 posts and 5 trades.
For you personal use this idea is better.
But others sake. shud always get right information. Ask mods about this seller. ask any of helpful mates over here for this information..
more over there is an idea. u can ask any of you friends to make a call to particular number the Seller gives to you for contact and verify the authenticity anonymously.. your frnd shud not reveal his identity.. tell him to call like interested in the particular item like that..
@malhotraraul Recording the conversation, it was a precautionary step you have taken..
But suppose(in future), it's not good to do with our reputed dealers. Trust them.. .
you shud have discussed with Moderators before publishing this..
Any way don't worry our moderators and total TE team(all of TE's) will help you out in..
@john117, you idea is right.. But there is actually few points, we shud think..
If every1 thinking to buy only from (<500 posts and <5 trades), how come a new person with around 100 or most will sell things over here.
With out selling how come we will make more than 5 trades?..
500 posts, then people will start spamming on the post to make a 500 posts.
Then there will be no one to buy from a person with out 500 posts and 5 trades.
For you personal use this idea is better.
But others sake. shud always get right information. Ask mods about this seller. ask any of helpful mates over here for this information..
more over there is an idea. u can ask any of you friends to make a call to particular number the Seller gives to you for contact and verify the authenticity anonymously.. your frnd shud not reveal his identity.. tell him to call like interested in the particular item like that..
@malhotraraul Recording the conversation, it was a precautionary step you have taken..
But suppose(in future), it's not good to do with our reputed dealers. Trust them.. .
you shud have discussed with Moderators before publishing this..
Any way don't worry our moderators and total TE team(all of TE's) will help you out in..
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