We can use paisapay for trades in which you are not sure of the seller. For the first 2-3 trades from a new user, if you feel it's worth it(the ebay charges), use PaisaPay. This would atleast force the user to make 2-3 successful transactions and would be only able to con after that. The best part is no work would be involved from anyone apart from the seller and buyer. If people themselves start practicising this, then users thinking of running away with the money would find it to be difficult as they would have to first do a few transactions before thinking of conning someone.
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HellBoyX2 said:
What sangram said is absolutely right. Although the most of the senior members will be willing to help, they simply can't because its a deal between two individuals and the others have no say in it. Its up to the dealing parties to trust each other, and close the deal amicably.
People here maybe willing to help, but that doesn't mean it can be misused. One should know the risks of getting into an online deal, and have to understand that not much can be done in case it fails.
manpreetsingh46
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dudes when you have his account details why dont you file a combined complaint of all the cases
i totally blame you guys for this when one guy is scammed and don't file a report only he is responsible for his loss
i have no sympathy for you guys if you still keep sitting and do nothing
i totally blame you guys for this when one guy is scammed and don't file a report only he is responsible for his loss
i have no sympathy for you guys if you still keep sitting and do nothing
zhopudey said:
i was not saying to enforce it i was saying if it could happen with mutual understanding say eg. a newbie who happens to know a reputed member like you and is also from the same city asks you to just receive the item for him which would be delivered to your home and after that he would come and pick it up from your house, i think thats not much of a task, atleast it could prevent some cases of fraud
HellBoyX2 said:
Same to you. :tongue:
Look - in the community, we're here to help.
But we can't solve issues like these ones. You can't depend on others to help you, in a forum or in life. You can hope, but ultimately a decision to do anything at all (not just here) has to be taken keeping your own safety in mind.
I don't recall a single situation when someone had asked me for help or advice and I've refused. But when it comes to money (which, my friend, everybody works very hard for), I don't like to think anybody else will help, so I always think it's my ass on the line. You'd be surprised at how many times it's saved me, and every time I've disregarded that, I've been led to a very nasty surprise.
Making a messy deal with a member with no cred and no rep and no iTrader without research is risky anyway. Don't expect that this will surely be solved by the community. We're not vigilante. And for people who smoke in bed, your house can catch fire. Will the Fire Department help? Surely it will. Will it succeed? Who knows?
Gunman said:Lol by any chance do u hail from TN? Just curious.
Nothing wrong in what he said btw. Not many of us have free time to while.
the time you are trying to spend on arguing, you can spend on giving him some tips. You may be experienced and have lots money with you guys. but we are earning each and every buck by doing hard work. each and every amount is worthy. whether it's 1 Rupee, 1 Paise or what ever.
whether i hail from TN or not, what wud make difference. This is the problem with our indians. pretending one another we are the best and others are just not right to meet with you guyz..
you may not have time to help others. but there wud be atleast 2,3 people who can give the tips.
if u guyz are trying to hang around me for the sentence " Dont worry, all moderators and all TE Team will help you"..
if you dont want to help, dont help. just dont try to make fun on others who are trying to help..
one more thing.. just today i went for jogging. i had a habbit of taking TEA from a hotel. there was 2 guys sitting just on my back table. there are "NO SMOKING" all over the hotel. these guys are not minding at all and smoking out..
they look like well educated. i did went there and asked them " are you educated. If you are educated, Can you read that notice board over der".
He asked me "SO WHAT?"
I told him.. "if you are an educated you will not be doing this. you will not be disturbing others by letting them inhale the smoke you are throwing out.."
Then the other person also pull out cigerate n started smoking.. i just felt funny, what we can do with such people.. and laughed and came out..
this is our typical mentality. We will think that we had conquered something, when doing against, what some one says we shouldn't. or when making fun on some one..
We never thinks why he said that. It's usual..
Lol by any chance do u hail from TN? Just curious.
I'm sorry just i went somewhere. Just i answered for your question thatz all...
No body if perfect. don't make fun on others..
sad to see this happenning here.
i have made a couple of deals here for my friends who did not have appropriate post count or even an userid
. in such deals i took the online onus of doing all correspondence, gave my friend's a/c number for transfer and the shipping address back to my friend. since it was all online dealings for me, i had no headache. off course i knew all my friends personally so i could anytime vouch for them.
this off course will not be feasible for all cases ... but in similar scenarios we can probably do this to help out. new members who know senior members personally (not that it is very common) can come through them and at the end of the deal the itrader rating can be given to the new member.
i have made a couple of deals here for my friends who did not have appropriate post count or even an userid
. in such deals i took the online onus of doing all correspondence, gave my friend's a/c number for transfer and the shipping address back to my friend. since it was all online dealings for me, i had no headache. off course i knew all my friends personally so i could anytime vouch for them. this off course will not be feasible for all cases ... but in similar scenarios we can probably do this to help out. new members who know senior members personally (not that it is very common) can come through them and at the end of the deal the itrader rating can be given to the new member.
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Just a gentle reminder to all. Kindly donot deviate from the topic here.
Everyone is trying their best to help resolve this issue in their own way.
It is an unfortunate event and we hope that it is resolved soon.
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BIKeINSTEIN
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Can the mods clean up O/T posts?
Other members not involved in this, please leave it for the members concerned.
awaiting a response from the seller.
Other members not involved in this, please leave it for the members concerned.
awaiting a response from the seller.
malhotraraul
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Respective THINK TANKS !!!!!!
This subject is leading somewhere else & like i said before, that cheater must have rejoined this site with different user name & really would be laughing his A** off at us, seeing that we all are having arguments within ourselves.
Before sending the payment, i did ask of one our senior member & i was advised to TRUST people on TE, guess i did my part & after this incident he still advised me to TRUST members of TE, guess i will continue to do that.
As far as the call recordings are concerned, this was not especially for this cheater, i belong to MASS COMMUNICATION industry where all the call briefings have to be recorded so that there is no communication gap, because there is a huge investment involved & one wrong communication can result to a huge loss.
I really really appreciate your efforts / views & i thank all of you to have taken your precious time out from your busy schedules.
As i have already taken a bad experience from this incident, but this won't really put me off from TE, I'll take this as a lesson & this is all up to you guys as what you have to do to prevent these incidents.
my personal view is that, instead of money transfers, why don't we use DD or PO, i know that its an extra effort & will cost some dime more & will take an extra day or 2, but doing this will ensure that there is proper contact address of the seller & buyer both & most important thing that our investments will be SAFE !!!!!!
This subject is leading somewhere else & like i said before, that cheater must have rejoined this site with different user name & really would be laughing his A** off at us, seeing that we all are having arguments within ourselves.
Before sending the payment, i did ask of one our senior member & i was advised to TRUST people on TE, guess i did my part & after this incident he still advised me to TRUST members of TE, guess i will continue to do that.
As far as the call recordings are concerned, this was not especially for this cheater, i belong to MASS COMMUNICATION industry where all the call briefings have to be recorded so that there is no communication gap, because there is a huge investment involved & one wrong communication can result to a huge loss.
I really really appreciate your efforts / views & i thank all of you to have taken your precious time out from your busy schedules.
As i have already taken a bad experience from this incident, but this won't really put me off from TE, I'll take this as a lesson & this is all up to you guys as what you have to do to prevent these incidents.
my personal view is that, instead of money transfers, why don't we use DD or PO, i know that its an extra effort & will cost some dime more & will take an extra day or 2, but doing this will ensure that there is proper contact address of the seller & buyer both & most important thing that our investments will be SAFE !!!!!!
BIKeINSTEIN
Herald
Well, there are people on TE who will give you stuff and not even ask you for payment till you are satisfied with the product (or you are convinced it meets your requirements), forget finding some fault with it.
And then money transfer/EFT or any other means is not mandatory. :cool2:
You could have discussed it with the seller/buyer and opted for DD/Cheque.
Out-station Cheques, esp from North India, take weeks or more than a month at times, to clear as banks here look at it with suspicion.
So it's upto the buyer to wait for it to clear as shipping is subject to receipt of payment.
To make it clearer, i will avoid using the word 'trust'
I guess most first time trades between 2 people are via EFT as they don't exactly trust maybe but don't actually expect getting conned and find it fast and easy.
And neither there is any guarantee that someone who has had a couple of good trades as a buyer or seller won't con anyone.
But having dealt with one person earlier does develop more faith in that person.
My first deal on TE was when one guru sold me something after another guru went ahead and paid him on my behalf.
EFT to seller wasn't an option.
Both of them hadn't met me till that date or till way later.
I got the stuff shipped to me and the local bank goofed up on the eft to the obliging member who was only doing me a favour by paying on my behalf as he was meeting the seller from the other city.
I had paid a frnd to xfer the money but it hadn't showed up in the member's account who had nothing to do with the deal but still went ahead and paid on behalf of a nobody.
Maybe the fact that i had briefly met some members other than them at one time might have helped but still they had not even interacted with me properly before that day.
My first deal as a seller was with a very nice and genuine guy but i was so worried throughout the deal and that poor chap wanted it shipped on the basis of proof of DD/cheque but i couldn't help him.
His cheque took more than a month to clear and only after that did i ship him the stuff, delaying his new rig and maybe causing him inconvenience that i cannot make up for now no matter what.
But i had to be careful, thanks to constant guidance from seniors.
And i did pester them too often on the matter and checked up with them everytime on how and what to respond. :ashamed:
Now i don't take chances with newbies at all unless i am selling and i get the payment in full.
Buyers are welcome to meet me at my place and that also reveals a lil more about that person than a simple telephonic conversation.
As a buyer, i entertain offers only if somewhat known by other reputed members who are here for not only market and/or if possible to meet them in person or pick up via some friend and/or if they are those who attend meets, etc.
I also make it a point to get the full contact info if possible and a genuine person won't mind usually and i haven't had anyone refuse me yet.
Touchwood- I have been very lucky when it comes to deals and making best friends for life, those who go beyond the regular to help me.
So TE is a very special place, esp for the latter.
But Murphy is one wicked man i tell you.
I hope and pray that you get a full refund or the card you bought in good working condition. :hap2:
And then money transfer/EFT or any other means is not mandatory. :cool2:
You could have discussed it with the seller/buyer and opted for DD/Cheque.
Out-station Cheques, esp from North India, take weeks or more than a month at times, to clear as banks here look at it with suspicion.
So it's upto the buyer to wait for it to clear as shipping is subject to receipt of payment.
To make it clearer, i will avoid using the word 'trust'
I guess most first time trades between 2 people are via EFT as they don't exactly trust maybe but don't actually expect getting conned and find it fast and easy.
And neither there is any guarantee that someone who has had a couple of good trades as a buyer or seller won't con anyone.
But having dealt with one person earlier does develop more faith in that person.
My first deal on TE was when one guru sold me something after another guru went ahead and paid him on my behalf.
EFT to seller wasn't an option.
Both of them hadn't met me till that date or till way later.
I got the stuff shipped to me and the local bank goofed up on the eft to the obliging member who was only doing me a favour by paying on my behalf as he was meeting the seller from the other city.
I had paid a frnd to xfer the money but it hadn't showed up in the member's account who had nothing to do with the deal but still went ahead and paid on behalf of a nobody.
Maybe the fact that i had briefly met some members other than them at one time might have helped but still they had not even interacted with me properly before that day.
My first deal as a seller was with a very nice and genuine guy but i was so worried throughout the deal and that poor chap wanted it shipped on the basis of proof of DD/cheque but i couldn't help him.
His cheque took more than a month to clear and only after that did i ship him the stuff, delaying his new rig and maybe causing him inconvenience that i cannot make up for now no matter what.
But i had to be careful, thanks to constant guidance from seniors.
And i did pester them too often on the matter and checked up with them everytime on how and what to respond. :ashamed:
Now i don't take chances with newbies at all unless i am selling and i get the payment in full.
Buyers are welcome to meet me at my place and that also reveals a lil more about that person than a simple telephonic conversation.
As a buyer, i entertain offers only if somewhat known by other reputed members who are here for not only market and/or if possible to meet them in person or pick up via some friend and/or if they are those who attend meets, etc.
I also make it a point to get the full contact info if possible and a genuine person won't mind usually and i haven't had anyone refuse me yet.
Touchwood- I have been very lucky when it comes to deals and making best friends for life, those who go beyond the regular to help me.
So TE is a very special place, esp for the latter.
But Murphy is one wicked man i tell you.
I hope and pray that you get a full refund or the card you bought in good working condition. :hap2:
and I found some proof that raj.king45 and hell.rocker are same....
I wont pinpoint.....
what will be his next id?
ummm.....
who will be his next victim...
what will be his next item for sale....
He will definately do it again....or maybe he's chickenshit
This time its very difficult for you to fraud kapileshwar
and if you can do it this will be a hatrick for you...a great achievement
And for the next time victims I will say if you dont want to be deceited plz donot deal with new member with 0 trader rating...even 2-3 numbers are not sufficient.
Go check his posts what he is posting gives u an idea of what king of person the seller is.
ask him to send the item first and pay him later....
chat him with webcam...
ask him if any TE member personally know him and can vouch for him
if you can refrain using TE market or any other online sale purchase site do it...
Ask any trusted TE member if he can come in between You and the seller to complete the deal...there are many members on the site who will do it for both seller and buyer a favour without asking anything from you for sake of community's goodwill...(this buffer will simply filter out the junk floating around the forum)
At last nothing is foolproof in this world...
We learn by experience...
You want something You pay for it You want it cheap then TE is there.
And TE too has bugs and buggers in it...
I wont pinpoint.....
what will be his next id?
ummm.....
who will be his next victim...
what will be his next item for sale....
He will definately do it again....or maybe he's chickenshit
This time its very difficult for you to fraud kapileshwar
and if you can do it this will be a hatrick for you...a great achievement
And for the next time victims I will say if you dont want to be deceited plz donot deal with new member with 0 trader rating...even 2-3 numbers are not sufficient.
Go check his posts what he is posting gives u an idea of what king of person the seller is.
ask him to send the item first and pay him later....
chat him with webcam...
ask him if any TE member personally know him and can vouch for him
if you can refrain using TE market or any other online sale purchase site do it...
Ask any trusted TE member if he can come in between You and the seller to complete the deal...there are many members on the site who will do it for both seller and buyer a favour without asking anything from you for sake of community's goodwill...(this buffer will simply filter out the junk floating around the forum)
At last nothing is foolproof in this world...
We learn by experience...
You want something You pay for it You want it cheap then TE is there.
And TE too has bugs and buggers in it...
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jeez guys one bad apple leaves a sour taste.te was a place where i blindly trusted people because of only one factor.That te is a tech site and usually in tech sites it is sharing which matters which can be construed to mean that people who share their ideas,time and knowledge will be less inclined to cheat or rip others off.
losing ur innocence is the worst feeling.Adding more rules will make this site just like another ebay or some other market place where profit/making money is the motive.
my suggestion leave the site as it is without putting more constraints which will further make it like other sites.
the question to be asked is what is the usp of this site as of now.So once that has been answered dont change the usp.
sorry for the ot but could not resist the temptation to post.
losing ur innocence is the worst feeling.Adding more rules will make this site just like another ebay or some other market place where profit/making money is the motive.
my suggestion leave the site as it is without putting more constraints which will further make it like other sites.
the question to be asked is what is the usp of this site as of now.So once that has been answered dont change the usp.
sorry for the ot but could not resist the temptation to post.
Y not have somebody vouch for the sellers reputation...sumbody in TE who actually knows the seller
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