greenhorn said:
both amp designs have their pros and cons. The difference is not huge ( those not familiar with a frequency response might thin that a huge chunk of bass is missing. in reality, and with most headphones, not so much.)
For the D2, the -3dB point (half as loud) occurs at
50Hz and increases with lower frequencies, yes the difference would be quite slight even with
varying loads.
Audible or not would depend on the ears & the equipment used tho i suspect when ppl talk about the differences it isn't so much the freq response at play but rather the DAC and to a certain extent their experience & background with different equipment. At least in the case of the D2.
greenhorn said:
Vandal, that from the graphs posted, the linearity of the D2 is not *that* bad, and certainly not significantly better than the ipod.
Agree its not *that* bad for the D2.
I guess until we see some data for the touch there is no way to tell if its more or less neutral than the D2.
Does anyone have any graphs for the ipod Touch, did not see any on that site greenie linked to ?
greenhorn said:
And I disagree with vandal's statement that you should not have a coloured source, and leave the job up to the headphones instead.
contrast with..
Vandal said:
I would rather have a neutral player (source) and add other components to make a bias. After all, you may use your PMP with just cans, some might use an amp and cans. If you start with a warm player (for example) and add a warm amp and then warm cans - you get the picture?
or what you end up with after adding the amp & headphones if the source isn't neutral, a total mess
greenhorn said:
Coloring the music electronically costs nothing. just an eq and maybe some DSP should be all you need. On the other hand , to do that with your headphones would mean that you would set your eq to flat, and carry one set of headphones each for each equalizer preset.
True, but how do you select a matching amp + speakers or headphones if you start from a coloured source ?
Reviewers describing the headphones, speakers, DACs from a neutral source would not work as your frame of reference differs from theirs. The
graphs for BBE are so all over the place i'm not sure where exactly you could start to improve the sound and whether the improvement would indeed be tangible or not.
greenhorn said:
theoretically/ if you are benchmarking/if you are /wish to claim that you are an audiophile maybe.
How about one more option ie choosing equipment to go with the player, if thats done form a neutral reference then you have your picks. But if then you start to colour the sound, will your choices still be valid ?
This is the conundrum
greenhorn said:
But most of us prefer colored sound over flat. And like desiibond said, in the end, its whether the music sounds good to you that matters.
If you like coloured sound then does it any make sense to decide whether you prefer warm vs cold or harsh vs refined and choose equipment that would deliver such ?
What could end up happening is you pick your phones and then fiddle with EQ's to make it sound right, this may work better for some genres over others. But you will constantly be fiddling about witht the EQs.
So for years now i've been listening with a flat EQ. I don't have a super setup, AC97, onboard hooked up to a stereo amp + floorstanders. The idea being whatever EQ's were properly applied at the recording studio and what I'm hearing is just how the artists intended it to be. Could i have better sound ? sure, a much overdue soundcard would make a world of diference or even a DAC. But now all i need to do is see how ppl describe the sound of those units and how much of a consensus there is and then I have a farly good chance of getting what I want
Maybe someday when I start earning enough ,will get all originals ..
