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Well, this just to clear out something in regard to this post.

http://www.techenclave.com/forums/fs-1gb-ddr-400mhz-ram-85947.html

Before, I say anything I got no personal grudge against anyone. Just like any other forum member, I am here to share my knowledge and gain from other person's knowledge.

Nuke666 is selling DDR 400 RAM 1GB for certain X price and is almost two years old. I just happen to know that RAM prices has crashed last week and now buying a new one cost even below the X figure. So, I just thought of mentioning it. In no way, I wanted to disrupt the sale, just that he was asking something really unreasonable. But, soon the post got deleted. Continue reading on....dont jump to conclusions yet.

Now, if someone comes over here and ask what to buy, everyone gives thier recommendation, best bang for bucks, etc. No one will ever try to give wrong info. So, I just gave my opinion, which was soon deleted by the moderators. I do know about past event, where sales got disrupted by few people. Hence I even understand why the post got deleted, as the seller requested it. But arent we misleading people now by not letting the information reach them. I have been a moderator myself in the past, and not once I deleted a post which has some truth in it. If such post gets deleted, the whole meaning of this forums falls down. If I was bluffing or saying something useless, the post getting deleted makes sense. However, this doesnt makes any sense to me at all.

This was the first time I commented on someone else's sale. Anyways, I gave my part of explaination. Hence forward, I wont be doing the same thing again. BTW, the RAM prices are as follows.

Transcend DDR 400 1GB = 3800

Transcend DDR2 667 1GB = 4400

Cheers:hap2:

@Nuke666

Belive me, I got no intensions of ruining your sale.
 
i agree your posts were only meant for good intentions for the buyer , but then you are pushing loss* for the seller.

With a 3rd person view without anything to have to do anything with the sale or purchase :

1)the buyer has all the rights to ask the price he wants..he may ask 12K for a 6K board or 2K for a 10K board, its' upto his decision , If the buyer is INTERESTED then he may go and bargain , But i dont like other people peeking in the "FS:" threads & telling tat the cost is high or anything.

2) If the buyer gets the product for cheapest price it may* be a gain for him but loss* for the seller & vice-versa (hope u understand)

3) Would u go to some mart & tell the potential customers there tat the prices are high & you will get the same stuff elsewhere for X-$ amt?...i guess you wont...if u do , you are ruining the sellers' margins/profits.

4) still IF u have to say to the seller anything (ex a feedback) , drop a PM .... leaving replies abt such issues on the very same FS: threads is = crapping the thread.

5) If the seller sets a good attractive price it'll result in a quick sale,,,else it'll just be BUMPed for long long time & then the prices will be reduced automatically...hehe

just my 2 paisa.
 
Well, the Hot Deals/ Discussion section is there for exactly this reason.

Dont post in the sale thread directly but make a new thread in the Discussions thread and give your opinion there.....
 
afaik, the seller always overprices his goods, the buyer always underprices it and they negotiate to a mutually acceptable value in PM's

that's what i expect from my sale as do all other traders here ;)
 
super_saiyan said:
i agree your posts were only meant for good intentions for the buyer , but then you are pushing loss* for the seller.

With a 3rd person view without anything to have to do anything with the sale or purchase :
1)the buyer has all the rights to ask the price he wants..he may ask 12K for a 6K board or 2K for a 10K board, its' upto his decision , If the buyer is INTERESTED then he may go and bargain , But i dont like other people peeking in the "FS:" threads & telling tat the cost is high or anything.

2) If the buyer gets the product for cheapest price it may* be a gain for him but loss* for the seller & vice-versa (hope u understand)

3) Would u go to some mart & tell the potential customers there tat the prices are high & you will get the same stuff elsewhere for X-$ amt?...i guess you wont...if u do , you are ruining the sellers' margins/profits.

4) still IF u have to say to the seller anything (ex a feedback) , drop a PM .... leaving replies abt such issues on the very same FS: threads is = crapping the thread.

5) If the seller sets a good attractive price it'll result in a quick sale,,,else it'll just be BUMPed for long long time & then the prices will be reduced automatically...hehe

just my 2 paisa.
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Does it mean that when someone gets robbed in broad daylight i must simply walk by without batting an eyelid :S
 
du, the buyer is expected to atleast know the ballpark region of the product he wants to buy

and this is easily found out by 2 minutes of googling or newegging

like there is a sale for razor copperhead, its selling for 4.2 here and newegg says 60$, so i obviously wont be interested in it
 
DuBudhi said:
Does it mean that when someone gets robbed in broad daylight i must simply walk by without batting an eyelid :S
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well..u can always cross check the cost elsewhere...i dont think you'd buy a second hand car just by looking at the car & cost at a single dealer?? ;)
 
I beg to differ here. What I feel is, a new guy would prefer buying something from the TE market rather than a regular store because he would think he's getting the best deal here, being advised by other members who are much more knowledgeble than him. If the posts are restricted to just buyers and sellers, it would be no different than any normal shop. We should not discourage/delete geniune posts, such as evilution posting the current prices.
As for the thread crapping posts, well thats what the moderators are there for, right? Can't they distinguish between a post sharing information pertinent to the item at sale, from other trash posts?
 
Hmm...yup, agree with Zhops on this one....

Since the objective behind the market section is to

a) help genuine members offload what may not be of much value to them (say a Venice 3200+ after the member has picked up a E6300) at a better price than what they can sell it to say a hardware dealer

And at the same time

b) Help genuine members pick up that item at a value that is better than what they can get in the open market....

This market section isn't meant for unscrupulous profit making!

Also, this is not a lamington road or Ritchie street which is why analogies with other markets, or comparisons to making a seller lose his margins etc.don't really fit here

Well, At least that's what I feel...
 
i think people would be much more careful and research more thoroughly if buying expensive stuff from a stranger online rather than go on their friend's word

If anyone needs opinions/updates, they can always ask for it, most of us are more than happy to help. and just how many sales actually go thru where the product is overpriced?

as always...bargaining goes on thru PM's
 
Well, this thread is not about bargaining. Its about whether posts in the market section by anyone not interested in the sale should be allowed, specially when these posts offer genuine information related to the item at sale.
 
I too agree with Zhops and others who think its not a MARKET place where people can make money by fooling them........but rather a genuine place where people can trust each other who share the same passion!!!!!

just my 2 cents!!!
 
Well, I think A seller sells for his price. A buyers buys for his price. Sellers tend to increase the price so that his loss margin (the price difference between the price for which he buys and sells ) is minimized. A buyer buys so that his profit margin increases. In places like TE, Never should a seller sell to increase his profit. Never should a buyer buy and have any loss. Thats the ethics of forums. But then, its also personal. U like it, u take it, U dont like it, U leave it. Dont crap it. Am sure everybody googles and neweggs to find out whether the price is right or not. And as for the small percentage of newcomers of TE is concerned ,thats exactly the reason why i support few statements like "minimum number of posts" or "minimum number of months" before selling or buying in market so that the inexperienced does not get conned by the seller who is doing it knowingly or unknowingly.
 
khimera said:
Well, I think A seller sells for his price. A buyers buys for his price. Sellers tend to increase the price so that his loss margin (the price difference between the price for which he buys and sells ) is minimized. A buyer buys so that his profit margin increases. In places like TE, Never should a seller sell to increase his profit. Never should a buyer buy and have any loss. Thats the ethics of forums. But then, its also personal. U like it, u take it, U dont like it, U leave it. Dont crap it. Am sure everybody googles and neweggs to find out whether the price is right or not.
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exactly..i completely agree.

sharmapu said:
I too agree with Zhops and others who think its not a MARKET place where people can make money by fooling them........but rather a genuine place where people can trust each other who share the same passion!!!!!

just my 2 cents!!!
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No-One is fooling anyone here buddy...show me 1 deal here in TE where a product was ridiculouly priced & ITEM SOLD . :P

it wont happen...people will 1st look in other sources & only then confirm the product...;)

superczar said:
This market section isn't meant for unscrupulous profit making!

Also, this is not a lamington road or Ritchie street which is why analogies with other markets, or comparisons to making a seller lose his margins etc.don't really fit here
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well..since most of the products sold here are USED...the seller is obviously getting a loss of some percent...but anyone would want to have the least loss , dont u agree ? . . .

If u have to buy something from TE market...wont u crosscheck the prices against local costs??. ;) everyone does that...

& Still if anyone wants to have a conversation...it can be done thru PMs.
 
@Zhopudey

Bang on! you got exactly what I was feeling. If opinions are not allowed, then TE is more of an e-comm site rather than an information site. Yes, I did read the official rules of market section, that one can make a new post about thier opinion, but that message wont reach the end user......as I said very long time back, that if someone gives a negative feedback to his sale, a seller should be able to defend his sale with proper reasons. If not, then he is not selling at the proper price.
 
The reason why we delete all posts not between a seller / potential buyer is to avoid TE intervening into any of the deals.

The Market section is merely a platform for members to trade. We (as in the TE Members) do not poke our nose, but neither are we denying any of the buyers help - those buyers who have any doubt regarding product specs/fair pricing are always free to open up and ask for guidance and if any member replies to him that post will certainly not be touched at all.

The bit about "Discussions" was added to the Hot Deals zone specifically to divert discussions/debates if any about certain Market threads out of the thread itself and into a separate zone - you are most welcome to post there if needed. There have been quite a few cases where people have willfully posted in the Hardware zones asking "Is xyz hardware in the market section a better deal than abc?" and there have been unbiased views from the members all the time.

I have seen a number of folks getting good deals, but havent yet heard of any complaining that they were ripped off, etc :)

Nonetheless your comments are appreciated and changes if any will be made known to you guys :)
 
hmm so it means if someone sells a stuff say e6300 for 8k......in market section....we guys are allowed to create a topic in cpu/mobo section..is it worth to buy this product from market section...

But then for a new user again he wont check this section or wont post such topic.except that he is interested in buying stuff thats it......

ya bumping other thread like we use to do..good price and all for a frnd shouldnt be there.....but of course one can give view about whats the market price like today..so after buying the user doesnt feel he got cheated..or shouldnt it should be made compulsory to post a link of the same product referring to newegg should be posted so th buyer can cross check price there

my 5 paisa on the topic..lol
 
or shouldnt it should be made compulsory to post a link of the same product referring to newegg should be posted so th buyer can cross check price there
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d-uh...of course no...

Self censorship is the best method for control...Let the market place function as it used to...Most people refrain from making senseless posts there anyway...and if someone puts in a ridiculous post, the seller, other memebers would report it to the mods for deletion....

Here is something to chew upon:

I remember when I was trying to sell my IBM thinkpad (Centrino) in the marketplace (for IIRC 36K ) some 7-8 months ago, someone posted a message saying a Acer Celeron M machine is available for 32K...now thats a ridculous post, and it actually helped my thread ....

Now picture this scenario:

If I were to try to sell say the Compaq Centrino machine in my sig (Compaq V2000, P-M725, 512MB, 80GB 14" WXGA, 2.1kg ) today for say 36K not knowing Centrino prices have crashed,

and if someone were to make a post pointing out that a similarly specced Compaq is available for 35K new, I shouldn't have any reason to cry out loud about !

it's after all a fact that I may or not may have been aware of...

Possibility A

If I was aware of it, well, it serves me right for trying to take people in a community portal for a ride...

Or Possibility B

If I wasn't aware of it, it would help me on deciding a new fair price for my sale...

anywhich way, i (or any seller) doesn't have a real reason to crib?

And if we want o do away with possibility A , what separates a community based market from say a ebay?What say?
 
^ Well put across :)

But the point here is - what do we do in cases where the thread starter requests for certain posts in his thread to be deleted? There are very recent market threads where posts highlighting ridiculous prices have been left intact. But if the seller complains about a post, we have no option but to delete it.

This is a bit of a fine balance between trying to please the buyer and please the seller ;)

If perhaps a few more sellers could comment as to what would suit both parties, we could look into a fair option.
 
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