Graphic Cards DX 11 dilemma

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Hello gang! Had some queries in mind.
My current rig is in my sign below. I have plans to buy a 24" monitor in the near future, so apparently the 8600GT will not suffice. Not thinking about nvidia, as it will be a long time before they bring out wallet-friendly cards.
In ATI, the best bet at full HD+ultra high settings+ DX 11+reasonable pricing seems to be the 5850, which incidentally gives only 40-45 fps at the aforementioned settings.

My question is.....is it worth spending so much money(16k) on a card which does not even give 60 fps at high settings?

Will drivers improve so much that the fps will also increase over the next year? Will that get negated by games requiring more juice out of the card?I don't see too many games being written natively in dx 11, as consoles can't handle it, and well, consoles rule the market now and atleast till 2012.

Or, should i just buy a 4870/5770 and forget dx 11 for now?

My budget will be like 15 max, whether it is 15k now, and no upgrades for 2 years, or like 8k now, 7k next year, partial upgrades.

Cheers
Vinny
 
Just wait. Prices gonna fall for DX11. Right now HD5850 is at 17k-18k. And once nvidia released GTX470 (March 16th I think), am sure that HD5850 will get a price drop. So, it's wise to wait for Fermi to launch.
 
Yeah.There isn't any important release in the horizon anyways,if you've already played Bioshock 2 on your 17incher.
 
I also have a 22" Full HD LCD. Got a 5770 recently.

This plays all new games at full settings and 2Xaa...

U can try this...I think a new one comes for 9.2-9.6k
 
Price cuts depends on what ATi cards would compete with the nvidia line up. There have been no news yet of any nvidia cards at the 200$ mark, so pricecuts for the HD5770 are unlikely. Best option now seems to get a HD5770, save the rest and a few months down the line sell it just before nvidia launches its card to compete the HD5770 and use the money to buy a then cheaper HD5850.

As for Dx11, your idea seems right, PC games are increasingly console ports these days. There most likely wont be as many Dx11 native games till about the next gen of consoles are launched(2012). But there is also the 40nm, amazing idle power consumption, Eye infinity.

Also, you might wanna check this thread : http://www.techenclave.com/graphic-cards/4870-or-5770-a-161222.html
 
I know prices would drop, but don't think it would make much of a difference. ATI is sitting smug with its clear range of products.

My concern is spending 14k+ on a product(after price correction post fermi release) which gives medium fps at full hd+dx11. Future life + resale value makes me pause and wonder......is it worth it? If DX 11 is not a concern, choices are clearer. A 4890 for 11k is much value for money, or even a 5770/4870.

On another note, i can't imagine how fermi is gonna do full hd+uktra high settings+dx 11 + physix. Looks like multi card setups are the way to go.
 
If most of the expected pricing that is going around now is to be belived the 470 and 480 are to be priced @ 400 and 700 dollars respectively which is not even close to the 5850 by logic ati will not be forced to do any price cuts in that range, if the performance of the 470 is below the 5870 as its expected to be then even a price cut for the 5870 might not be there, later in the year when nvdia comes out with the midrange fermi we might see some price cuts but dont think there might be any price cut within the next month.

The 5850 for 16k is certainly worth it atlest for someone who has upgraded very recently to it i can say it is, but not because its a dx11 card but because i like its peformance across the board, human eye anything over 25 fps is fine the rest is a buffer, with every eye candy turned on at the higest resolution for a single moniter setup if you get 45 to 50 fps its is great. Lets face it most of the games released are console ports and they dont really push the card as much, only one or two games every year has something that pushes the graphics a bit. So yea a 5850 for next 2 years maybe is all you need.
 
Err...Damn suggested u the 5770 which Plays almost all games at full settings...

I tried Resident Evil 5 with FSAA-4X, 1920*1080, all settings maxxed out and VSYNC on and I got average 53FPS.

With VSynC turned off and AA at 4X I am getting 62 FPS which is pretty great:)
 
NVidia launches Fermi on March 26th. They just released a comparison graph between the GTX 480 and HD 5870 for harware tesselation, and the difference is not huge.

I dont think the GTX 480/470 will be launched at a price point so as to compete with the HD 5850, so dont expect a price drop anytime soon. Ati will only revise the prices once they refresh their lineup, which is expected to happen 2nd half this year.

As for the FPS, you should get more out of a 5850. I have one, with a Core i5 750 and 4 gigs ram running on a 24" full HD Dell, and I get about 50-60 in most titles.

If you have a good motherboard for CrossFire, you can even go for one 5770 now and get another later, great VFM.
 
there wont be any huge price drop in ati ...cuz nvidia will price heavy for new gtx cards which you cannot afford to buy one version is saw was 1.5gb card ddr5 gtx 480 which requires 600w min power supply.. it comes with silver plating pcb & in built Oc capability & many more features... Go with ati consumes less power & good value for money.. after 1 year you may see price drop .. right now just a very slight price drop may occur if nvidia gpu is toooooooooooooooooooooo GOOD !!
 
Why dont you guys think the other way around
I feel ATI will drop the price by a good margin and spoil the Fermi launch party :P
That will be a big blow to Nvidia and ATI will almost rule the DX11 market

Its all about the market share
 
Spectre said:
Why dont you guys think the other way around
I feel ATI will drop the price by a good margin and spoil the Fermi launch party :P
That will be a big blow to Nvidia and ATI will almost rule the DX11 market

Its all about the market share
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We can wish, can't we :ohyeah:

Would be nice, if it happens. But not sure if it works that way. ATI would release more powerful cards to compete at Nvidia's price range.
Eg the 5970 4GB card.
 
I doubt that...ATI is already running ahead. They wouldn't want to eat on their own profits by crashing a non existent party:)...

Spectre said:
Why dont you guys think the other way around

I feel ATI will drop the price by a good margin and spoil the Fermi launch party :P

That will be a big blow to Nvidia and ATI will almost rule the DX11 market

Its all about the market share
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i think 5850 is worth it, cos rumor says it that after launch of fermi, 5890,5950 and 5990 are to be released, but that'll take a very long time

if u want to save some money, u can go for 5770(it is dx11 card), and crossfire it when u buy another one later, but it wont be as good as a single 5850 in terms of future investments(cos after those 2 yrs, u'll want to upgrade rite?)

so i say go for 5850....
 
the 5970 4 GB is a limited edition card , from what i read each manufacturer is not making more 1500 of this card. Its more of a show off product, but would be intersting if ATI had some card which it would launch but all this speculation will purely depend on the nvdia card performance once its released.

@Spectre you are still not getting my 5850 ! no matter what card nvdia releases :D
 
My question is.....is it worth spending so much money(16k) on a card which does not even give 60 fps at high settings?
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I guess u havn't seen HD5850 benches, they DO GIVE 60 fps for all games in HIGH except one shit or two....

And to tell u, the difference in image quality between 8xAA and 2xAA is non-noticable in an LCD< and especially if u are concentrating on the game...so at 2AA, an HD5850 craves for more to say the truth..

BOTTOM LINE - Want a gfx card? BUy now, or DONT buy at ALL

If u want for a month, FERMI will release, BUT WHY THE HECK will AMD cut the price of HD5850????? It's 299$, and the cheapest FERMI is 499$ I guess..
 
[quote name='comp@ddict']I guess u havn't seen HD5850 benches, they DO GIVE 60 fps for all games in HIGH except one shit or two....

And to tell u, the difference in image quality between 8xAA and 2xAA is non-noticable in an LCD< and especially if u are concentrating on the game...so at 2AA, an HD5850 craves for more to say the truth..
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I went by pcgameshardware dx 11 benchies, guess drivers have improved by now. 60 is good.

Regarding the 2xAA vs 8xAA, never really tried that much, thanks to my 8600GT, but if thats the only compromise to be made(if necessary), it sounds good.

5850 it is then, but I might as well wait till the month end to see how things pan out ;)
 
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