CPU/Mobo E350N : Should I worry ? High temperature scare !

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harry_houdini

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Hi all ,

I have Gigabyte E350NUSB3 , AMD fusion based motherboard .

My problem is the high temperature problem but i guess its comparatively higher in my system .

Idle Temperature : 50-56 deg C

Full Load : 65-69
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General Use ( Movies and downloading and important work : docs , etc ) : 60-69

HFS speed : 4025 RPM
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Tools used : Bios , HWMonitor , Coretemp .

This full load temperature really scares me , because in summer it will easily cross 70 .

This is way too high as you know the bobcat core has max temperature of 90 deg C . But from the reviews I was reading , a couple of guys said that above 73-75 the computer freezes or crashes

Also regular high temperature is bad in long term and I have to make this last long because if this goes kaput , I literally would be without a PC because I wont be able to afford another one for a long period of time otherwise it would upset things .

This very thing also scares me from touching the cpu and heatsink but still i saw that the fan and heat sink seem to be set right .

High temperature is a known problem with this APU and also gigabyte has been miserly in applying the thermal paste as I read in many reviews . But mine are more higher than the general public .

Solution ? Any known solution that someone has applied here ? .

One that I read was of reapplying the thermal paste .

How much of a temperature drop can I really expect after reapplying the TIM and will it really work in the first place ? .

Also I dont have high budget so applying a cheaper TIM that costs some Rs 150 not serve the purpose ? . I am very confused here since One way i feel i should buy a good TIM after spending this much and other side I feel a cheaper TIM might do and am just worrying too much.

Please help as this is a critical system for me .

Thanks and Good Day
 
@nish_pinto

Thanks brother but my cabinet wont allow that .

Cabinet : Circle LIL

Any other idea ? . Anything wrong somewhere , where should i check ? .

Thanks
 
@ Explosive Member

Thanks for replying .

Well I am using the PSU that came with the cabinet because I think it was enough for this system of mine .

It has minimal wires , one of HDD and ODD each and both are quite separate from the cpu .

Only thing that could interfere is a very thin wire for the Cpu heatsink fan which I dont think would make it heat up so much .

I mean wiring is clean , just except for the single wire which cannot be altered because of the inherent design.

Which is the thermal paste to use in budget ? Also the cloth used to clean glasses can be used to clean the thermal paste ? Because otherwise I will have to buy a microfibre cloth and also rubbing alcohol if again the lens cleaner wont work ? . Also is it advisable to stick a fan with fevistik on the the cabinet side wall ? .

Because my cabinet does have ventilation holes , a lot of them but not big enough for mounting any cooler fan .

But again how much temperature difference can I expect ? .

Thanks a lot
 
You don't need fancy fibre, just something thats clean.

Make sure the rubbing alcohol isn't nail polish remover, since that usually has a lot of other stuff mixed in.

Usually re-applying thermal paste would drop temperatures only by 5C at best, but someone on Newegg reported good improvements, so perhaps the thermal paste is poorly applied.

Honestly the best improvements would come from a better fan. See if you can somehow place the fan somewhere.. perhaps zip tie it to the drive cages, so it blows air over the heatsink.
 
Buy a good thermal compound and apply it. Your heat sink might be incorrectly seated or it may have gaps due to incorrect application of thermal compound. This might be problematic during summers.

If it is in fact incorrectly applied, you will see a huge temperature difference. Please post update here about how it goes.
 
@ Crazy_Eddy and baccilus

Thanks for replying .

Eddy thanks for that because I thought only a micro fibre can be used , so I will use the cloth used for cleaning spectacles .

I got a bottle of Bandridge Flat panel TV cleaner whose contents say Distilled water , can that be used as a liquid ? .

Also please do tell me which is a good budget TIM that I can use because am completely zero when it comes to thermal pastes .

Any idea of a good store in Vashi , Navi Mumbai to get the things .

I apologize for too many questions , sorry .

Thanks for your time .
 
harry_houdini said:
@ Explosive Member

Thanks for replying .

Well I am using the PSU that came with the cabinet because I think it was enough for this system of mine .

It has minimal wires , one of HDD and ODD each and both are quite separate from the cpu .

Only thing that could interfere is a very thin wire for the Cpu heatsink fan which I dont think would make it heat up so much .

I mean wiring is clean , just except for the single wire which cannot be altered because of the inherent design.

Which is the thermal paste to use in budget ? Also the cloth used to clean glasses can be used to clean the thermal paste ? Because otherwise I will have to buy a microfibre cloth and also rubbing alcohol if again the lens cleaner wont work ? . Also is it advisable to stick a fan with fevistik on the the cabinet side wall ? .

Because my cabinet does have ventilation holes , a lot of them but not big enough for mounting any cooler fan .

But again how much temperature difference can I expect ? .

Thanks a lot
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Mate i guess you were referring me. BTW my user ID is CA50, and not explosive member
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1. Well that CPU HSF wire is not interfering, since its pretty thin

2. Get some good TIM like Artic Cooling MX-2 etc.

3. For Applying TIM, remove and clean the existing one using a clean cloth (or you can use ear buds) + surgical spirit.

Now apply a thin and even layer of TIM on the proccy and re-assemble the whole HSF

(refer this guide for any problem : http://www.bit-tech....ll-about-tim/1)

4. If done properly, you will get a good temperature difference.

Right now, rather then the CPU fan and the PSU fan, do you have any other fan?

If yes, then post their placement and details, if no then try installing two fans, one in the front for intake (cool air in) and one at the rear for exhaust (hot air out.)
 
@ CA50

Thanks for replying and sorry for the goof up .

Yes there is a Case fan which is at 90 deg angle to the cpu fan . It pulls the hot air from the cpu heatsink and throws it out in upwards direction . The fan is from Circle itself .

@ baccilus

You asked for the update , here it is .

well gigabyte had indeed done a shoddy work but I think they had used a good paste .

Well I used a normal thermal paste which cost me some Rs 50 because any other was not available except one called nepali available for Rs 10 . Because every fluid&amp;#39;s density varies , it took me some time to figure out how much paste to apply .

But am very sure now that I have done everything correctly , took me over 10 times to get the perfect setting .

I assembled the system 2 times , first was not correct so not worth mentioning , then i made sure absolutely that everything was as it should be , here are the results which are a bit confusing for me and unfortunately hugely dissapointing
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I ll try to compare both

NAME PREVIOUS READING NEW READING

IDLE TEMP 50-55 48-57( after switching on n heating up a bit )

FULL LOAD 69-70 71-78
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AVERAGE LOAD(30-60%) ~55-62 62-65

Now this is hugely disheartening for me . The max which i wrote 78 could have been more but I had no guts to carry on with Prime95 so I stopped it . Previously it maxed out at 70 after hours and hours of testing . I went ahead with the TIM replacement because I thought 90 being the max a bobcat core can bear , and me going at 70 in winter , the buffer is too small .

Also one thing that I noticed is that first the temperature used to rise and fall slowly and steadily but now it falls and rises in an instant , strange ! to understand for a noob like me .

I got a very good hearing that I have actually spoilt the system and if anything happens I would be responsible .

Well thats how it is I guess , if things dont turn out good , you're the criminal because you're plan has failed , anyways wont get more personal . Please suggest me as to what more I could do because if this temperatures are gonna continue , this thing will blow off in 3-4 months i guess or atleast in the summer it will fry . My case doesnt seem the culprit here because I kept one side open for some time and it hardly makes a 2-3 deg C difference .

Sorry for keeping the post so long but I felt I should brief everything so anyone trying to help could understand .

Thanks for your time and please help if you can .

Anyone there ?
 
try this

http://www.primeabgb.com/index.php?...tegory_id=143&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=54

i think the Rs. 50 normal thermal paste is the culprit. Try to get the Arctic MX-2 from primeabgb and reseat the system well and yes don't apply too much thermal paste. Thats no good at all.

Mx-2 isn't much costly and should be fine for you. Use Doctor's spirit which you get in a local chemist shop to remove the previous paste. Don't worry you haven't spoilt the system. Afer applying MX-2 let the system run for few hours for the thermal paste to work effectively which is called the curing time.

You are not doing anything wrong. As people have mentioned here you can look into attaching another fan. This definitely will make a lot of difference to the temperature.
 
@ itzmydamnlyf

Thanks for replying .

I just read there is a thing called curing time ? . How much is the general time period because this cheap one doesnt mention it .

Is using tie up or fevi stick for sticking the fan on the cabinet side panel ok or disastrous ? . Because my cabinet has very small holes and all are approx 80 mm circular which is a problem .

Sorry guys for too many questions.
 
On second thought , is this running on high temperature an inherent problem with the mobile APU ?

Because after a lot of reading i have found that even in Asus and other brands also have this high heat problem ? .

I dont want to invite the wrath of AMD fan ( I myself like AMD ) but is this the AMD effect here ? High temperatures ? .

Am sure many owners have the same config , please share as to what solution you found ?

Thanks
 
harry_houdini said:
On second thought , is this running on high temperature an inherent problem with the mobile APU ?

Because after a lot of reading i have found that even in Asus and other brands also have this high heat problem ? .

I dont want to invite the wrath of AMD fan ( I myself like AMD ) but is this the AMD effect here ? High temperatures ? .

Am sure many owners have the same config , please share as to what solution you found ?

Thanks
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Not much experience with AMD fusion. Curing time is different for different TIM. Use a zip tie to attach the fan. Even a 80mm fan will make a difference.

Rest people who use such kind of system will be able to tell their experience.
 
@ itzmydamnlyf

Thanks for replying and about the fan I am putting it below

itzmydamnlyf said:
Not much experience with AMD fusion. Curing time is different for different TIM. Use a zip tie to attach the fan. Even a 80mm fan will make a difference.

Rest people who use such kind of system will be able to tell their experience.
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Its very sad that no fellow owner wants to help out , but am not complaining , everyone has their own reasons - not seen the thread or too busy or ..
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Its very tough to find a decent 80 mm fan around , most are selling those useless Rs 50 fans which hardly blow a pinch of air !

Found one cooler master but the price he was quoting was insane , Rs 250 for one fan . I guess the 6 pack cost Rs 640 itself .

But my usual tinkering and experimenting nature has given me an idea , you all say if its not a good one .

I cannibalized a 60 mm CPU fan from my old P4 which I dont think I will ever use again . It goes to like 3000 rpm and after experimenting a bit with it , I fould its capable of reducing full load temperature by some 5 deg C .

Now what I want to know is how is the CPU fan in comparision to the cooler master 80 mm fan whose model no is SAF-S83-E1 .

If anyone has any idea please help .

I had also cannibalized the PSU( Intex 400 W ) from my old system and took out the 80 mm fan which it had but after fitting it found it makes 0 deg temperature difference
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, I dont think the CM should be compared but I have no idea so please give your suggestions , I live in a remote area
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Tomorrow might go to Mumbai for some work , Lamington Road is some distance from there but planning to go there .

Here are the thing I am planning to buy

1. A good thermal paste for one and for all , because thermal pastes do play a big role which i underestimated .

Am thinking of Arctic Cooling MX-2 and Arctic Silver 5 , the latter being too costly / gm . So first preference is MX -2 .

But if you say there is a big difference between the two and AS5 is much better for load temperature than I ll get that one because I cant keep spending 100 ten times . If you got a better suggestion please tell .

2. 4 Cooler Master fans - 80mm , the ones that cost something like Rs 640 for 6 pieces , are they too noisy for an HTPC ? .

The ultimate ones are the Noctua but I cant spend the money for the fans so not possible for me ? . Any other better alternatives in the same price range as that of CM ? .

3. Are there any good 40 mm fans available here in lamington road or online , which one do you suggest ? . Something that really blows some nice amount of air , the one supplied by gigabyte isnt upto the mark I feel .

Guys please please reply , I have to leave in the morning and have to finalize stuff tomorrow . If the above things wont work , my PC will fry in some months and I have to let it because this is turning out to be like a black hole , sucking my limited money all the time .

thanks

Sorry guys dont know how to edit previous post so posting another .

Also please tell me the prices of the items .

Thanks
 
#harry_houdini, Yes you can get MX2 TIM, its a good one and a VFM product.

While looking for fans, instead of the size of the fan, look for CFM, the higher the better. CFM is the amount out air thefan the push in one go.

For price you can tag #ALPHA17
 
Thanks a lot CA50 for the reply , that re-assures me of MX-2 .

Guys will leave in half hour , I can find anything when I put fan in search . So please please suggest some good 80mm fans .

Help out last time , wont bug you all more
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and yea come back and write of what happened after the changes .

Thanks

hello , come on people . i can see you're reading , do reply
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