Elon takes control of US Govt

[6pack]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-workers-out-computer-systems-us-agency-sources-say-2025-01-31/

WASHINGTON, Jan 31 (Reuters) - Aides to Elon Musk charged with running the U.S. government human resources agency have locked career civil servants out of computer systems that contain the personal data of millions of federal employees, according to two agency officials.

Elon Musk is reportedly taking control of the inner workings of US government agencies | TechCrunch

People working for, or with, Elon Musk are reportedly taking over the inner workings of multiple government agencies, including the Office of Personnel

techcrunch.com

People working for, or with, Elon Musk are reportedly taking over the inner workings of multiple government agencies, including the Office of Personnel Management, the Treasury Department, and the General Services Administration.

The Washington Post reported Friday that the highest-ranking career official at Treasury is leaving the department after “a clash” with people working for Musk’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) over “access to sensitive payment systems,” citing three unnamed sources.

 

[roadrash99]

First they will fire people, then when shit happens because everyone is overworked they will say we told you big government sucks, we need to fire some more.

Basically the same thing they do in every company now will happen in their government. People get blamed for failures of the CEOs, who cannot lose anything no matter what happens. Privatisation of every aspect of the state will be complete.

 

[bssunilreddy]

Uprising will eventually bound to happen.

 

[6pack]

Trump’s revenge agenda has shocked officials who ‘didn’t think it was going to be this bad’, insiders say

Trump’s better-known adversaries were expecting payback, but more intense vengeance is being felt by civil servants

www.theguardian.com

Federal government workers have been left “shell-shocked” by the upheaval wreaked by Donald Trump’s return to the presidency amid signs that he is bent on exacting revenge on a bureaucracy he considers to be a “deep state” that previously thwarted and persecuted him.

Since being restored to the White House on 20 January, the president has gone on a revenge spree against high-profile figures who previously served him but earned his enmity by slighting or criticising him in public.

He has cancelled Secret Service protection for three senior national security officials in his first presidency – John Bolton, the former national security adviser; Mike Pompeo, who was CIA director and secretary of state; and Brian Hook, a former assistant secretary of state – even though all are assassination targets on an Iranian government hit list.

The same treatment has been meted out to Anthony Fauci, the infectious diseases expert who angered Trump after joining the White House taskforce tackling Covid-19 and who has also faced death threats.

Trump has also fired high-profile figures from government roles on his social media site and stripped 51 former intelligence officials of their security clearances for doubting reports about Hunter Biden’s laptop as possible Russian disinformation.

@roadrash99 ^

Edit: This FBI sub is getting popular on Reddit now

 

[TEUser2K1]

Uprising will eventually bound to happen.

Was predicted to be inevitable by some economists at least a decade back.

 

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First they will fire people, then when shit happens because everyone is overworked they will say we told you big government sucks, we need to fire some more.

Basically the same thing they do in every company now will happen in their government. People get blamed for failures of the CEOs, who cannot lose anything no matter what happens. Privatisation of every aspect of the state will be complete.

Not happening with public funding.

This is an efficiency drive. Simplifying arcane procedures to speed up processes is improving things

Trump’s revenge agenda has shocked officials who ‘didn’t think it was going to be this bad’, insiders say

Trump’s better-known adversaries were expecting payback, but more intense vengeance is being felt by civil servants

www.theguardian.com

Be careful with what this opposition source says. They used the term revenge to set a narrative.

Revenge against whom?

Edit: This FBI sub is getting popular on Reddit now
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FBI? Yes, that would be payback for all the corrupt BS they threw at Trump during his last term.

I was nervous about this topic because its quite frankly scary. If your pointy spear is corrupt then bad things lie ahead and the first Trump term demonstrated this whether people were willing to accept the problem or not.

It will be difficult to understand the changes made because the opposition is going to spin things like crazy to confuse people that something bad is happening. Don't fall for it.

 

[6pack]

Revenge against whom?

Reading the article would have given you a hint

 

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Reading the article would have given you a hint

I don't buy the guardians premise.

They are an opposition source.

Don't waste your time with nyt, wapo, guardian or bbc when it comes to 'opinion' about the Trump administration.

That is the lesson I learnt from media coverage of his first term.

This also helped me recognise the gaslighting about Ukraine these exact sources are pushing. If what they said about Trump was not trustworthy then why believe what they said about Putin.

This is the point you realise these big name media outfits aren't as perfect or deserving of their prestige as you thought. They are the so called MSM. A term I thought in 2005 was used only by CT people and then realised a decade later why they used it.

Best contribution Trump made was this term 'fake news'. No one ever questions their obvious bias. Isn't it. Always assumed to be perfect and held above other media organisations.

Find right wing or otherwise neutral sources if you care to understand understand as opposed to protest developments made by the Trump administration.

 

[roadrash99]

Don't waste your time with nyt, wapo, guardian or bbc when it comes to 'opinion' about the Trump administration.

Which news source you will endorse? (please don't say twitter)

Not happening with public funding.

This is an efficiency drive. Simplifying arcane procedures to speed up processes is improving things

Yeah that's what they say, even if you take what they are saying at face value, these are only their intentions. Intentions are never enough. What I said has been seen in such budget cuts every time, but happy to be proven wrong.

 

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Which news source you will endorse? (please don't say twitter)

See the last para and definitely twitter.

Yeah that's what they say, even if you take what they are saying at face value, these are only their intentions. Intentions are never enough. What I said has been seen in such budget cuts every time, but happy to be proven wrong.

You jumped to a conclusion with that 'privatisation' term before anything has been completed.

Why would you do that unless you want to set a narrative? How could you possibly know in advance.

Let them get the job done. Examine intentions and compare with results.

Review in a couple of years.

 

[Decadent_Spectre]

Unbiased news sources don't exist. Why? Because unbiased people don't exist.

Ignorant/Apathetic people exist, unbiased people do not.

 

[roadrash99]

Why would you do that unless you want to set a narrative? How could you possibly know in advance.

I'm not the one setting a narrative, the people running US already have. When people tell you who they are, you should listen, rather than make excuses that it must mean something else. See this article is from Sept 2024

Project 2025’s plan to gut civil service with mass firings: ‘It’s like the bad old days of King Henry VIII’

Even as Trump tries to disavow the rightwing blueprint, both have similar plans to replace many federal employees

www.theguardian.com

 

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I'm not the one setting a narrative, the people running US already have. When people tell you who they are, you should listen, rather than make excuses that it must mean something else. See this article is from Sept 2024

Project 2025’s plan to gut civil service with mass firings: ‘It’s like the bad old days of King Henry VIII’

Even as Trump tries to disavow the rightwing blueprint, both have similar plans to replace many federal employees

www.theguardian.com

Posting opposition sources again? Again an attempt to set the narrative by the opposition.

Didn't you read what I said

I'm aware of the heritage foundation. Project 2025 was that think tanks policy recommendation to the future Trump administration.

But it was twisted by the Democrats at their convention to imply a blueprint of what would be done.

Trump has on numerous occasions refuted he had anything to do with the report and that he disagreed with some of its recommendations.

The three right leaning think tanks you may use to understand this administration better are the three H's

Heritage, Hoover & Hudson

There are some other smaller ones that vye for attention and Trump may quote them but those are the big three.

There is an American analyst (Jeff Smith) from heritage that I've followed frequently for any quad related developments. Unfortunately of late he has restricted who can see his tweets.

 

[roadrash99]

Posting opposition sources again? Again an attempt to set the narrative by the opposition.

Again, what narrative? I could have posted the pdf from the project 2025 website, that article doesn't say anything they themselves don't claim. The fact that news sources have bias is not an excuse to stop reading.

Trump has on numerous occasions refuted he had anything to do with the report and that he disagreed with some of its recommendations.

He has hired a number of people from it to his administration, and most of his first week executive orders mirror their recommendations. No reason to believe he would have any problem with what has been mentioned in that article. It is 100% beneficial for him.

 

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Again, what narrative? I could have posted the pdf from the project 2025 website, that article doesn't say anything they themselves don't claim. The fact that news sources have bias is not an excuse to stop reading.

It's misleading. And the Democrats highlighted the most extreme of recommendations at their convention last Aug to scare people into not voting for Trump. You're not aware of it. I am.

He has hired a number of people from it to his administration,

And? Some of the recommendations are acceptable. Out of 900+ pages.

and most of his first week executive orders mirror their recommendations.

You got some sources to back up this claim of yours.

No reason to believe he would have any problem with what has been mentioned in that article. It is 100% beneficial for him.

The 100% part is not true.

 

[roadrash99]

The 100% part is not true.

OK then please tell me why Trump would have a problem with having the power to appoint Federal employees.

 

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OK then please tell me why Trump would have a problem with having the power to appoint Federal employees.

He does not agree with 100% of its recommendations. That's what I meant.

And I'm still waiting for your source to your previous statement

 

[roadrash99]

And I'm still waiting for your source to your previous statement

Everything in the Guardian article has already been done through executive orders, and on top of that the dude is literally offering all government employees 8 months pay to leave their jobs. This is not some targeted org wide optimisation that MBAs dream about. He just wants smaller government no matter what.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-plan-ease-firing-federal-workers-challenged-by-union-2025-01-29/

I don't see how this can be justified even by people who think he will bring "efficiency"

 

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Everything in the Guardian article has already been done,

And I've already said not all of the recommendations are off the table.

Other think tanks also produce policy recommendations. Why only heritage is being singled out here?

and on top of that the dude is literally offering all government employees 8 months pay to leave their jobs. This is not some targeted org wide optimisation that MBAs dream about. He just wants smaller government no matter what.

Nothing wrong with that

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-plan-ease-firing-federal-workers-challenged-by-union-2025-01-29/

I don't see how this can be justified even by people who think he will bring "efficiency"

Ask the people in charge of the policy. What are they saying?

Your opposition sources have no answers only questions. This is why I don't waste my time with them.

 

[roadrash99]

Other think tanks also produce policy recommendations. Why only heritage is being singled out here?

Bro I don't care about Project 2025 or heritage foundation. I only posted that Guardian article to show you that firing government employees has been their stated objective from day 1. Your response to that is to say that Trump doesn't support it, and even if he supports it's not a bad thing, and even if it's something bad it's not going to happen.

Nothing wrong with that

Then why are you debating this, just say you agree with it lol.