Forum Feedback Enough is Enough - STOP ConDeals on TE

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I can think of one process.

I know No ONE would go for this lengthy thing, and many of you are likely to think this as a Total stupid IDEA. but this is just an input from my side.

Pre-requisite

==> Seller will Put a video/Photo showing each and every corner of the product he intend to sell, showing /Model No/Invoice (with privacy constraint taking in to account)

==> after all Low-ball/crap/negotiation, buyer will send a confirmation PM to seller that he is ready to buy a product. (after this step he can't back out)

Process

1) TE assigns some person(s) for this. (exclusive Member's market MODs)

2) what he will do is, he will give one Unique number Label (with uniquely designed TE Logo or hologram which can't be copied) for each deal.

3) Once buyer decides to buy a product, he will PM that Mod with thread link giving permission to seller asking for that label, or once seller confirms that buyer is gonna buy his product, he will PM that Mod to send unique ID label.

4) Now Seller will provide a video for boxing the product and attaching that label. (just like a box seal on win 7 OS pack)

5) Seller will PM link to the video to buyer and the Mod as well. Once buyer sees that everything is good, he will transfer money.

6) Buyer will send transaction details (IMHO screen-shot of successful NEFT transaction/ SS of photo copy of DD receipt/ bank deposit receipt (same TE style photo rule applied) to both seller and that Mod.

7) Seller will ship the product after confirming the receipt. and give all details of shipping to buyer as well as that mod.

8) On receiving the product buyer will check for that seal having unique number Label.

9) buyer will provide a video for un-boxing the product.

and TE would charge say XX (not more then 50 )rupees (Or whatever amount for that unique label Plus that Mod's interaction and time)
 
Well the way consumer courts are going, I don't think a simple disclaimer is going to cut it. Getting a Service Tax no. does not make anything legal or illegal. Its just TAX. The IT Dept is not concerned whether the business you are doing is legal or illegal as long as you are paying your taxes in a timely and accurate fashion. Business legality is decided by the Police and The Courts. And TE will be involved in any legal quarry as the forum has facilitated the exchange (ever heard of Napster) so is legally a party to the transaction. The only solution IMO is for the buyer and the seller to interact more deeply.

99.9% of the buyers are not bad but all sellers are not bad either. In fact recently, one of the sellers returned the money to the buyer due to community action. He could have very well pocketed the money as ironman has and no one could have really done anything about it. In the end, it was community action AND the seller's intention to clear his name on TE which prompted him to return the money.

I don't understand the mentality. Why should TE be held responsible or asked to regulate trading in the Marketplace? TE has given us a platform to connect, to share ideas and to deal in our useless stuff. Now how we use it should be totally up to us. Its like we go to a friend's party, meet a girl, hit it up with her, have a one night stand or something, don't use protection, contract herpes or syphilis or whatever and then blame our friend for inviting that girl in the first place. Can't anyone see how pointless this is or is it just me :huh:
 
@agupta02 - TE is currently also providing a Platform for Buying and selling and deals are going bad and things are being discussed the same thing is going to happen on TE, TE won't be doing anything extra, all that's gonna happen is Payment is going to come to me instead of the seller directly. Donno how your saying TE will be legally involved if the Buyer's here are transferring money to my a/c aren't my buyers doing it already.

I am not saying anyone is bad i was answering the question that was raised and a scenario that was put up by Rikvik, see sellers are not bad but sometimes they are a bit sloppy while selling as they are no professionals i have seen here deals going bad because the seller wasn't to careful while packing the stuff things such as this will also be tightened.

To answer your last Para - See now no one is saying TE should open an escrow don't see y they are not opening it but that's a different issue So TE is not being held responsible now and i don't think it will be responsible then i don't see what special TE will do due to which it can be held responsible except for putting up a Sticky saying contact TheITWares if u want the deal money escrowed the Buyer and Seller involved still wil have the option to trade directly no is stopping them.

Lastly Sir to reply the Girl story i'll say - We are trying to make sure that people having Herpes or syphilis don't even dare to trade here and infect healthy traders here.
 
well after having read this , just want to know wat the mods have decided into this matter , whether they want an escrow or not??

if yes , i can volunteer to be an escrow just for a trial period of say 1 month to check the feasibility of the system for future trades and also to see if i will be able to handle it efficiently or not

i wont be charging any fee like 1% or anything just Rs 5 per neft transaction that the bank charges as commission for every neft i will do , so simple watever amt i receive from the buyer , i ll transfer it to the seller - Rs 5 .. thats it

need mods approval if they have finally decided on anything like that
 
The buyer and seller are free to make any arrangements they want between themselves. This includes choosing whether to do escrow or not and whom to do escrow with. Mods don't need to approve anything.
 
its highly unlikely that a new seller/buyer knows someone here to do escrow with , i think can be done only with mods approval and wat if the escrow runs away with the money :P
 
i would once again like to raise the issue regarding post counts..

now Cons of having post count limits:

excess spam,

the genuine members may suffer

Pro:

Relatively harder to bypass this for crooks.

It becomes evident for some of the member about how the certain member could be by looking at his post history...everybody may not check about that but certain people do like to have an idea about who they are dealing with.

now exploits of the system if there are no post count limit...and only time limit...

Example:

suppose im a smarty pants crook who see potential ignorant consumers who would jump for any sweet deal irrespective of my contribution to the forum..

here my only issue remains is the time limit..

well..i have 1 month at hand...so i as well create one member profile per day over TE from various cyber cafes over this one month period of time..

well it's not like i have to login to them time to time and contribute to the forum.. i may just show some activity when i actually have to make market threads.. that is all the system requisites isn't it?

now consider a post count limit for the above example...

would it not be practically challenging for the crook to execute something like that with a post count?

imo he will end up investing more time and money into managing these many profiles with post count limiting than otherwise.

now about genuine members who would want to deal but suppose they do not have enough to contribute by their posts..

these members are anyways allowed to purchase from market with even post count limiting.

and if they try to sell with no experience, they anyways endup dealing locally or on ebay due to trust issues that are likely to be existing even in social scenario in a computer market.

thus im in favour of post count limits being raised in order to make it a little harder for the crooks in exploiting the system.
 
yes i agree its totally between the seller and the buyer whether they want an escrow or not , its not a compulsion but old members here on Te who trust each other , and have been dealing regularly , dont need an escrow

but wat abt a new seller or a new buyer who just log in here to sell off their stuff or simply con people

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no of post counts and time limit both be increased
 
madnav said:
thus im in favour of post count limits being raised in order to make it a little harder for the crooks in exploiting the system.
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I was in favour of this move and Renegade said this wouldn't work out and mentioned not to make such suggestions.

Oh well. :\
 
Dont bother what I say. I just put forth my opinion like you all. Its upto the admins to decide where they want to take this and I wont speak on their behalf.
 
^^ That was more like a temporary promotion to Admin to do some dirty work in the backend. :P :P :P (Pun not intended..)
 
let the registered dealers sell only and shut off the markets for a year or more.

then all the guys who signed up just to sell will run away from TE and it would become a better place hopefully.

yeah i know its far fetched and totally idiotic but it could work. Its not like TE's the only place where peeps can sell their stuff. There are other two three sites too.
 
when i got here, there was no post count limit and i was free to post in the members' market section but i didn't have any itrust ratings so i thought of participating in the forums and eventually i spent most of my time (at the starting), reading threads and watching members market.. but it was a really good experience for me..

PS: i came here looking for a used ps2

ok, on the other hand, ivg required a post count of 50 to post in the market section when i landed there though now the rule is been waived off (for good).. but i had seen members spamming and getting banned there.. they were just trying to increase their post count to post a deal..

from the above experiences, i can say that i found no post count rule better, i mean members should have some freedom.. i think of this rule just as very small installment of t-bhp's self-boasting section..

though, measures like providing id proof are really a welcome move.. and members should be free to buy anything or post threads but to make a thread or putting up a [FS] thread, there should be this id verification..

just my personal views..
 
6pack said:
let the registered dealers sell only and shut off the markets for a year or more.

then all the guys who signed up just to sell will run away from TE and it would become a better place hopefully.

yeah i know its far fetched and totally idiotic but it could work. Its not like TE's the only place where peeps can sell their stuff. There are other two three sites too.
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Stuipd and daft as i thought at first ,later giving it some time i thought why not. I meant there is some sense. If people are really desperate to sell their stuff there is Ebay a proper site and then somemore.

Let TE be only for registered members who just don't have the post count but are actually are active more than 80% in threads other than market. Also members should be atleast 1 year old with some reference from fellow member which can act like some guarantee against the conman.
 
IMO Leave market section / members as its, no change. Frauds are everywhere even on eBay with paisapay's protection. Be smart while trading in the market section.
 
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