DrkLord
Adept
This is unfortunate. Which brands are not using sealed drum...as bosch, lg, samsung, whirlpool have all been mentioned above as using one.
Front loading or top loading washing machine?
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This is the LG model I bought from Amazon - https://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B08CPP59KH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I went and checked from offline store regarding this model and exchanged the Bosch machine for around 7K during Prime sale a year and half back. I particularly went and checked if that model drum was sealed and was told that drum will not be sealed in direct drive WM's.
As for power cuts I did not have any problem with Bosch and it did resume from the start of the cycle. I do not have any problem with the current LG FL washing machine except that I feel Bosch was a notch up better in washing and also did not wrinkle up the clothes as it happens in LG.
Yes, as the other FM's have mentioned. Also as @blr_p mentioned procuring the part was very difficult for Bosch as this was already an old model. They asked for minimum two weeks time as the parts needs to be imported from China. However, I think the Bosch service guy was trying to sell a new model with an exchange value of Rs.1000 for the existing one. I had already made up my mind to buy a new WM so I was not very keen on that.
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blr_p
Skilled
This is my machine. See how the minimum pressure requirement increases with newer models. Look at the minimum Pascal unit. Mine says 30kPa
This is your machine, its 50kPa. They made a mistake with the kgf/cm3 unit it should read 0.5 - 8kgf/cm3
Requires a little more, went from 30kPa to 50kPa. This was the figure i saw for sammy's when i was looking for a WM.
I can kinda see why it works, its only a little more than mine.
However adders machine won't work for you so keep that in mind when you move to the next machine.
The reason the error gets thrown is there is timer and if the desired amount of water does not arrive when time expires it throws the error.
So why have a limit at all ? because they want to shorten the wash time. Your machine will wait twice as long, mine three times as long as adders to fill.
In a race for fastest wash with similar programs for all three machines, adders will win all of them.
And here is adders machine
Doubles to 100kPa because it can do steam wash whereas the previous two do not have this feature. This is also a minimum on the Bosch machines if memory serves.
This model has the thinkQ app and can be monitored by smartphone.
Mine only has three spin speeds. adders has 5 (!) why did they include the 1,100 RPM in there i wonder
You have 1,000 and 1,200. I don't see what 1,100 accomplishes other than having another figure for the specs sheet.
It's got 5 spin speeds. Gotta be better than 4 or 3 right.
Good price, 31k is what i paid as well for plain white. The chrome model like yours was 35k
This is your machine, its 50kPa. They made a mistake with the kgf/cm3 unit it should read 0.5 - 8kgf/cm3
Requires a little more, went from 30kPa to 50kPa. This was the figure i saw for sammy's when i was looking for a WM.
I can kinda see why it works, its only a little more than mine.
However adders machine won't work for you so keep that in mind when you move to the next machine.
The reason the error gets thrown is there is timer and if the desired amount of water does not arrive when time expires it throws the error.
So why have a limit at all ? because they want to shorten the wash time. Your machine will wait twice as long, mine three times as long as adders to fill.
In a race for fastest wash with similar programs for all three machines, adders will win all of them.
And here is adders machine
Doubles to 100kPa because it can do steam wash whereas the previous two do not have this feature. This is also a minimum on the Bosch machines if memory serves.
This model has the thinkQ app and can be monitored by smartphone.
Mine only has three spin speeds. adders has 5 (!) why did they include the 1,100 RPM in there i wonder
You have 1,000 and 1,200. I don't see what 1,100 accomplishes other than having another figure for the specs sheet.
It's got 5 spin speeds. Gotta be better than 4 or 3 right.
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tech.addict
Skilled
I can confirm from my ownership of two LG FL, low water pressure is not an issue for LG. Presently I stay on the top floor and my new 8KG LG machine works fine. Earlier my my older LG served me more than 10 years when I was staying in a one storey building with old plumbing and severe low water pressure. And LG bearing, spider supporing the drum are all separate unlike German machines or the Samsung.
blr_p
Skilled
I was incorrect on that as adder thinks LG is the only one that does not offer a sealed drum.
If you can wait a month for the part to arrive then great.
I wonder whether i should order one and just keep it spare because one day my drum spider is going to break.
tech.addict
Skilled
FHM1208
blr_p
Skilled
What is the model # of your older one if you can ?
I have ifb 8kg topload bought 3+ yrs back locally at 25k around. First one failed in 2 months.....drum kept on filling and did not stop. Then they replaced it with new one....then last year had to change the shockers..and the whole relay which controls the ow of water..and it already started rusting......only thing to like about topload i think is you can put hot water without pipe as mine is sitting outside and there is no connection there for hot water.
blr_p
Skilled
Check out this Amazon review of LG 8.0 kg Inverter Fully-Automatic Front Loading Washing Machine (FH2G6TDNL42, Silver, Inbuilt Heater)
Huge Noise with vibration. Hitting the wall. Whole family scared. Could not experience single wash
www.amazon.in
heh this is what happens if you don't level it properly. A spirit level is the best way
300+ people found this ignorant one star review helpful
Amazon removed reply to reviews some time ago. No way to point out the problem
EDIT: He has forgotten to remove the transit bolts at the back.
This is how it sounds like when you don't remove the transit bolts.
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I think BSH uses a non sealed drum with child parts for the top end 9kg/10kg machines. The cheap ones are all sealed.
Easy way to find out is if it is 1400 rpm or not. The 1400 rpm ones do not use a sealed drum. If it is 1200, it is guaranteed to be sealed.
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DrkLord
Adept
Thanks for the tip!
Edit: 1400 RPM front loads are costlier by 4k-5k. I wonder if companies already know that the spare replacements won't bring as much money as the sealed drums and hence jack up the price beforehand. Though, a motor with greater RPM should also lead to price increase.
neoshreya
Disciple
In general a front load will offer better wash because of the tubble wash method of cleaning. It will be significantly pricier than top load though. I am using an IFB front load but Bosch is also very good and reliable. I would suggest to stay away from Korean brands when it comes to white goods. Good luck
blr_p
Skilled
ok so here is a Bosch 1,400 RPM model
Let's check its spare parts
www.bosch-home.com
Can't see a drum in there or bearings. Just the tub
Let's look at a 1,200 RPM model (Water pressure: 100-1000 kPa (1*-10 bar))
It's spare parts
www.bosch-home.com
Same thing...Missing drum (!)
There is something curious about the ending numbers for this Bosch machine
The numbers end with /01, /06 & /07. What is the difference between these ?
The /06 ones show you spares, the /01 & /07 says contact the service centre.
Let's check its spare parts
Bosch spare parts & accessories for your appliance | Bosch - WAJ2846WIN/07
Order spare parts & accessories now - Washing machine WAJ2846WIN/07
www.bosch-home.com
Can't see a drum in there or bearings. Just the tub
Let's look at a 1,200 RPM model (Water pressure: 100-1000 kPa (1*-10 bar))
It's spare parts
Bosch spare parts & accessories for your appliance | Bosch - WAJ2426MIN/06
Order spare parts & accessories now - WAJ2426MIN/06
www.bosch-home.com
Same thing...Missing drum (!)
There is something curious about the ending numbers for this Bosch machine
The numbers end with /01, /06 & /07. What is the difference between these ?
The /06 ones show you spares, the /01 & /07 says contact the service centre.
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blr_p
Skilled
Found some, Series 4, but they are small, depth is only 46cm, WLJ series
Now see the spares
Bosch spare parts & accessories for your appliance | Bosch - WLJ2026DIN/01
Order spare parts & accessories now - Washing machine WLJ2026DIN/01
www.bosch-home.com
Definitely a removable drum there
The drums of WAJ, WAT, WAU, WGA are sealed and the last two are high end !!
So ONLY the smallest volume drum Bosch series has a removable drum. The ones I tell people to avoid (!)
Removable drum is more reliable than sealed.
Wonder what the volume of that WLJ drum is ? maybe just over 40 litres. Too small.
This Bosch Series 6 has a removable drum in the UK. None of the ones in India do.
Bosch spare parts & accessories for your appliance | Bosch - WAQ24461GB/01
Order spare parts & accessories now - Washing machine WAQ24461GB/01
www.bosch-home.com
Why can't we get larger machines like these in India
And Siemens is definitely out.
Washing Machines
A fresh scent, textile care, drying performance, design �what do you look for in a washing machine? Find the right model to suit your needs!
www.siemens-home.bsh-group.in
Not one of their machines has a removable drum (!)
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fastapifastdisks
Adept
dont buy front load,often over time after 2-3 years the front seal loosens and leaks water. i had two siemens machines an a lg one all had the same problem. top load is easier to fix plus does not require one to balance the load.
Kaleen Bhaiya
Skilled
The older lg models had issues with the gasket, but that was more to do with machine vibration and running away rather than leakage. The newer models have been replaced with a thicker and a firm gasket to ensure machine vibration reduce.
Personally confirmed from LG and YT when I had issues with machine running away.
DrkLord
Adept
Yeah that is what the local shop retailer adviced. Superior washing is a plus though.