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Even VRMs don't matter all too much. There are way too many misconceptions fed by the internet on this and if VRM Mosfets are built like just any other electrical component, then 100 C and beyond for a while is not a big deal, but manufacturers restrict it to that threshold to ensure longer life time, because it is the consumers purchase after all. I've tortured various electrical stuff with extreme heat and had none of them die on me, the recent one being a Pi pico in a soldering station for close to 45 mins. If those SMDs didn't cripple, then a motherboard power stage surely won't.

No one runs their PCs at sustained loads for long time either, so an i5 13500/13600k on something like a B760 ds3h will work completely fine.

Just get whichever motherboard fits your needs, like budget, M.2 slots for storage and USB ports.
 
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Even VRMs don't matter all too much. There are way too many misconceptions fed by the internet on this and if VRM Mosfets are built like just any other electrical component, then 100 C and beyond for a while is not a big deal, but manufacturers restrict it to that threshold to ensure longer life time, because it is the consumers purchase after all. I've tortured various electrical stuff with extreme heat and had none of them die on me, the recent one being a Pi pico in a soldering station for close to 45 mins. If those SMDs didn't cripple, then a motherboard power stage surely won't.

No one runs their PCs at sustained loads for long time either, so an i5 13500/13600k on something like a B760 ds3h will work completely fine.

Just get whichever motherboard fits your needs, like budget, M.2 slots for storage and USB ports.
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No misconception when you have data to say otherwise. Also, those tests are at 21C, we have higher ambient temps here. No one is claiming a burnt VRM though, just throttled performance.

There are people who use their PC for productivity, like long renders & all. So better to not cheap out. There are good B760 mobos for 15k, like MSI B760M A Pro WiFi which is a good pair up for i5 13500.

I have Gigabyte B660M DS3H AX, using it with i5 12400. I get 70-80C VRM temps while gaming (45-60W based on the game) easily, like 90C for say 10min Cinebench run (80W). I feel a CPU like the i5 13600K/14600K can potentially be VRM throttled on this mobo even while gaming (maybe 125W power draw), forget 100% load scenario where that CPU draws 170W+ like the i7 12700 shown below.

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No misconception when you have data to say otherwise. Also, those tests are at 21C, we have higher ambient temps here. No one is claiming a burnt VRM though, just throttled performance.

There are people who use their PC for productivity, like long renders & all. So better to not cheap out. There are good B760 mobos for 15k, like MSI B760M A Pro WiFi which is a good pair up for i5 13500.

I have Gigabyte B660M DS3H AX, using it with i5 12400. I get 70-80C VRM temps while gaming (45-60W based on the game) easily, like 90C for say 10min Cinebench run (80W). I feel a CPU like the i5 13600K/14600K can potentially be VRM throttled on this mobo even while gaming (maybe 125W power draw), forget 100% load scenario where that CPU draws 170W+ like the i7 12700 shown below.

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Read what I posted again, completely.
Edit : You're proving my point on the misconception.
 
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DestGod said:
Read what I posted again, completely.
Edit : You're proving my point on the misconception.
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I won't waste money on a 13600K to show that it can get throttled on my budget B660M DS3H on non 100% load like gaming, nor can I make HUB to test B760 mobos at 125W load with 13600K. Sure my mobo can handle even i9 14900K for normal tasks, but who buys an i9 to use it for basic stuff. Gaming is the most common intensive load that people with high-end PCs use their PC for, hence I provided you numbers from my PC as well.

There is an AsRock B660M HDV on that graph which is limited to 95W of power on that i7 12700 (a 170+ W CPU on 100% load). That mobo can't even sustain 100+ W, hence the performance numbers are worse than other mobos like my B660M DS3H. Considering my 80W CPU can run at 60W on certain games with 3070 at 1440p, I don't think upto 125W while gaming on a 170W+ CPU like 13600K is unrealistic. So that AsRock mobo will throttle as there's a 95W limit & temps are already beyond 100C at 21C ambient. Moreover, if you are paying for a 30k CPU like 13600K, don't cheap out on mobo, not worth saving the 5k or so considering the total build cost.

Please talk with numbers/data rather than just saying it is a misconception.
 
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I won't waste money on a 13600K to show that it can get throttled on my budget B660M DS3H on non 100% load like gaming, nor can I make HUB to test B760 mobos at 125W load with 13600K. Sure my mobo can handle even i9 14900K for normal tasks, but who buys an i9 to use it for basic stuff. Gaming is the most common intensive load that people with high-end PCs use their PC for, hence I provided you numbers from my PC as well.

There is an AsRock B660M HDV on that graph which is limited to 95W of power on that i7 12700 (a 170+ W CPU on 100% load). That mobo can't even sustain 100+ W, hence the performance numbers are worse than other mobos like my B660M DS3H. Considering my 80W CPU can run at 60W on certain games with 3070 at 1440p, I don't think upto 125W while gaming on a 170W+ CPU like 13600K is unrealistic. So that AsRock mobo will throttle as there's a 95W limit & temps are already beyond 100C at 21C ambient. Moreover, if you are paying for a 30k CPU like 13600K, don't cheap out on mobo, not worth saving the 5k or so considering the total build cost.

Please talk with numbers/data rather than just saying it is a misconception.
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You're still missing the point. I speak from experience, not from numbers. I've seen enough, from a 3700X paired with a cheap B450 to the i5 13500 with the same B760 DS3H. Those numbers are worst case scenarios anyway, I don't know what you're trying to state. I don't need to go to some YT channel to know how a CPU performs. I mentioned it in my 1st post as well. I'm sure you love HUB and will stick with them till your motherboard snuffs out, and im not dissing them either, but it would help thinking practically sometimes.
 
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You're still missing the point. I speak from experience, not from numbers. I've seen enough, from a 3700X paired with a cheap B450 to the i5 13500 with the same B760 DS3H. Those numbers are worst case scenarios anyway, I don't know what you're trying to state. I don't need to go to some YT channel to know how a CPU performs. I mentioned it in my 1st post as well. I'm sure you love HUB and will stick with them till your motherboard snuffs out, and im not dissing them either, but it would help thinking practically sometimes.
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3700X draws 90W on 100% load, that's easier to manage than what Intel CPUs draw, my 6 core i5 12400 can draw 80W on full load. A friend uses 5800X on B450 with some UV.

Your logic applies on AMD even now, that's why I recommend a B650 mobo for 7800X3D (even HUB), heck even 7950X (if you enable 105W ECO mode, it will run on B650 DS3H with even a single tower air cooler like AK400, performance hit is 10%). Like 7950X + B650 + AK400 will cost the same as i7 14700K + Z790 + 280mm AIO while having better performance than the i7.

Realistically speaking, most people will never know if their CPU is throttled by VRM, so in that sense your logic is sound. For gaming the throttling will be minimal as well. Dell sells i7 desktops to colleges & companies & those are limited to 65W, so imagine how ignorant IT of those companies are.
 
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I would recommend saving some money by going with 6700xt (barely any perf hit) and upgrading to 32gb ram.
AAA Games these days can easily use 16gb.
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sometimes there's barely any price difference between 6700 XT and 6750 XT, but surely if possible, it's better to save and get 2x16gb Ram. DDR4 is cheap these days
 
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