CPU/Mobo Gigabyte EX58-UD5 in da house!!

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Harshal

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I have not been keeping well since Diwali so I couldnt do this earlier but anyways..
As its known by now.. Intel's latest and greatest chipset, X58, is out and thanks to supportive Gigabyte Taiwan I got a early sample of their UD5 model based on it.
Gigabyte said:
Revolutionary Ultra Durableâ„¢ 3 technology from GIGABYTE features the industry's first consumer desktop motherboard design with 2 oz copper Power and Ground layers for dramatically lower system temperature, improved energy efficiency and enhanced stability for overclocking.
Benefits of 2 oz Copper PCB

- Cooler than traditional motherboards

- Enhanced durability

- Improved energy efficiency

- Greater margins for overclocking
In addition, doubling the amount of copper lowers the PCB impedance by 50%. Impedance is a measure of how much the circuit impedes the flow of current. The less the flow of current is impeded, the less amount of energy is wasted. For GIGABYTE Ultra Durable 3 motherboards, this means total PCB electrical waste is reduced by 50%, which also means less heat is generated. 2 ounces of copper also provides improved signal quality, providing better system stability and allowing for greater margins for overclocking.

Let the pics talk.







Extreme numbers in OC&Mod section soon!!​
 
board is awesome with so many ports n slots...but the color scheme is dull specially the ramslots ewwww...evga board looks awesome:D
 
2 ounce copper is theoretically very good.

The runs in a typical CPU power layout (nothing else draws as much power from the PCB as the CPU) are very short, though, and I doubt it'll help at all, as in any contemporary mainboard the weak link are the active devices and inductors, rather than the PCB itself. In most current designs, the designer may choose to route power through multiple layers rather than a single layer, essentially achieving the same results but with lower overall stray capacitance (specially if the power and ground planes are alternated).

1oz copper plane on a board that size is good enough for 20 amps or so, which is much more than the CPU can ever hope to draw in any kind of condition except fault states. That's 250 watts.

Actually the 2oz copper is far more difficult to solder as it acts as a big heatsink, and needs to be reflowed at a higher temperature than a 1 oz board, and the preheating is also done for a longer period. All in all, I'd say it's a bit more of a gimmick than anything else, but I'd be willing to be corrected on that - since we don't have the same board with less copper, we won't be able to see a direct comparison.

The only possible benefit is cramming in more traces into a smaller space, as you theoretically halve the trace width when you double the copper content of the PCB. That could result in more power phases, for example, or a more compact layout, or reducing the number of layers in the board.

Still one bad-ass board, so hope to see some results soon. I hope the pricing becomes reasonable soon (it won't be, to start with).
 
^^^NDA has been lifted, I guess he can now show all the results he have(though he said he was sick, so we have to wait a few days???)....and harshal stop making us all jealous with those new boards and cpus, :bleh: :bleh:
 
sangram said:
1oz copper plane on a board that size is good enough for 20 amps or so, which is much more than the CPU can ever hope to draw in any kind of condition except fault states. That's 250 watts.
CPU runs at ~1.3-1.4V? at 130W, its 90-100A...
 
WingZero said:
board is awesome with so many ports n slots...but the color scheme is dull specially the ramslots ewwww...evga board looks awesome:D
As I mentioned its an early sample. So minor desgin changes to color scheme can get changed!
I am not sure but I have seen Gigabyte droping pink and green slots for white and blue... even tho they have a fan in Bikey :D
Price.. too early for that. But it will be in range of Top of the line X48 boards or slightly more!
Sangram thank a lot for helping me with 2 oz tech talk :hap2:
@ Banik... as for numbers, well some issues there.
 
SunnyBoi said:
CPU runs at ~1.3-1.4V? at 130W, its 90-100A...

Yeah, but that's at 1.3V, the main power plane is still 12V.

When you convert voltage and current to each other, the overall resistance is a constant.

For example, let's assume the system impedance (board traces, inductor resistance and CPU) is 1 ohm and you apply 12V across it. The current through the 'resistor' (simplification) is 12 amps.

Now across the same 'resistor', you apply 1 volt, the current through the 'resistor' is 1 amp.

At a basic level, the impedance of the circuit does not change when the voltage levels change, so the current increases as the voltage increases. This is the reason that power supplies 'take out' equipment, or why a failed power circuit can 'fry' a CPU.

The purpose of the voltage regulation circuits is to convert the total power off the 12V line into a high current, low voltage supply. The draw from the 12V line is still just 10-15 amps. Once you've downconverted voltage, the stress on the PSB remains roughly the same. There are obviously differences, but they're not 5x or 6x the magnitude.
 
awesome board there Dada, lets hope you get down to crunching the benchies soon.

PS: Hope you are keeping in good shape now.
 
Lol. I can tell you those i7's run much hotter than the QX 9775's that you used at our test lab. But then with LN heat won't be an issue ;)

Post em numbers...
 
sangram said:
2 ounce copper is theoretically very good.

The runs in a typical CPU power layout (nothing else draws as much power from the PCB as the CPU) are very short, though, and I doubt it'll help at all, as in any contemporary mainboard the weak link are the active devices and inductors, rather than the PCB itself. In most current designs, the designer may choose to route power through multiple layers rather than a single layer, essentially achieving the same results but with lower overall stray capacitance (specially if the power and ground planes are alternated).

1oz copper plane on a board that size is good enough for 20 amps or so, which is much more than the CPU can ever hope to draw in any kind of condition except fault states. That's 250 watts.

Actually the 2oz copper is far more difficult to solder as it acts as a big heatsink, and needs to be reflowed at a higher temperature than a 1 oz board, and the preheating is also done for a longer period. All in all, I'd say it's a bit more of a gimmick than anything else, but I'd be willing to be corrected on that - since we don't have the same board with less copper, we won't be able to see a direct comparison.

The only possible benefit is cramming in more traces into a smaller space, as you theoretically halve the trace width when you double the copper content of the PCB. That could result in more power phases, for example, or a more compact layout, or reducing the number of layers in the board.

Still one bad-ass board, so hope to see some results soon. I hope the pricing becomes reasonable soon (it won't be, to start with).

The last mile delivery of the ~100A current from the regulator to the CPU is still very important. It definitely helps that the board has 2 oz copper. The PCB track current densities are limited by the heat dissipation of the trace rather than just the ability to sustain the current. The traces are also important heat dissipators for the CPU. Quite a lot of power can be taken away from the silicon just by these traces.

The reflow temp doesnt change either. The whole board is heated in a chamber, so there is no need to increase the soldering temperature. Only hand soldering of components attached to the ground/power plane will be difficult since the heat is conducted away from the component very quickly by the thick copper traces.

Harshal, I just cant wait for the results!! LN2 benches FTW.
 
I don't want to derail the thread, but when you design power circuits for 150-160 watts, you'd typically use planes, not traces. In that, the losses introduced by traces are normally nullified, and a plane can generally acts as a much better heatsink. Like I said, the designer also has the freedom to use more than one plane, thus lowering stray reactance. The moment we talk of a power plane, traces become irrelevant.

About soldering, I'll concede that components are anyway soldered on the top layer alone, so as long as that has regular (0.7~1oz) copper, one may not need to increase board or preheat temperature, which one would need to do on a single or double layer board.
 
this is lga 1366 type mobo ryt ??????????

when are these gona hit the market???

what are the expected price of mainstream boards???
 
^^only the top end boards are shown till now

the asus rampage II extreme costs $450

btw, BENCHIE RESULTS PLZZZ :)
 
Harshal said:
As I mentioned its an early sample. So minor desgin changes to color scheme can get changed!
I am not sure but I have seen Gigabyte droping pink and green slots for white and blue... even tho they have a fan in Bikey :D
ANP !!! said:
Bikey liked the pink slots on the boards ?? :|.
Well, I personally like the Orange+Yellow/Yellow+Green dimm slots on on DFI.
Next best would be Asus Orange+Black i think.
Harshal sir, being the Intel fanboi :bleh: , loves the Blue+White slots.
Why i like pink on GB mobos is coz it brings out Harshal dada's emotional/sensitive side, reminding him to be not too harsh on the RAMs. :rofl:
Plus if i heard the right things and the pretty women at GB insisted on those colours, meesa not complaining. :P
BTW, when did Harshal dada fall sick and what happined?
Mostly just marriage season sickness- kids feign sickness to avoid school and he does to avoid his parent's plans of getting him to tie the knot. :rofl:
 
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