Govt to limit chinese courier item as gift to maximum 4 times a year

[adventureguy]

No, we were. The opium was grown in India and then when their drug enforcement dumped the shipments into the harbour. The Brits used Indian muscle to fight them, twice

They lost and then the concessions were surrendered. It always amuses me that China got opened up by drug dealers. We even put down their boxer rebellion in the early 20th century. So before WW2, we had already attacked China three times. We policed the region for a century and a half right up to WW2. From Suez to Singapore, we were the hegemon. That is why we have an ocean named after us.

Do the Indian history books talk about any of this ? no, all forgotten post independence.

Here "we" isn't modern india but Indian empire under British Queen. Maybe thats why we are forgotten in history books. Really sad. Even our soldiers contribution in WW2 is largely forgotten. Even dunkirk didnt feature any indian soldiers. Nolan disaapointed in that aspect.

 

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Here "we" isn't modern india but Indian empire under British Queen. Maybe thats why we are forgotten in history books. Really sad. Even our soldiers contribution in WW2 is largely forgotten. Even dunkirk didnt feature any indian soldiers. Nolan disaapointed in that aspect.

I mean Indian history books. The Brits aren't going to give us much credit but their empire was built off the backs of Indian blood & treasure.

We'd have no border issues with the Chinese if Nehru hadn't disbanded the million and half strong army we had post independence. India & China were never neighbours. Tibet was the buffer.

I suppose he had to cut costs some how. Too strong a military could endanger a nascent democracy and the chance of a military coup was always a worry.

India's contribution to the world was and remains manpower. Whether soldiers, doctors, nurses, engineers and menial labour.

We fought in both wars and many others in between. All Indian regiments remember them. The only reason the Brits moved here was they got kicked out off the US. With the French & Spanish challenging them every where they had to find other sources of revenue and soldiers to defend what they had.

 

[dpandey]

Do the Indian history books talk about any of this ? no, all forgotten post independence.

I will try to guess. India had produced two nobel prize winners by 1947, including one in hard science. Way before a chinese or a japanese. There was serious research going on in india in the first half of the 20th century.

Yet the Nehru chacha chose a molvi to become the education minister. The molvi's only interest was in doctoring history books.

As Orwell said, "Those who control the past control the future. Those who controls the present controls the past."

We have been taken for a ride. We were taught lies in the name of History. The deprogramming will be hard work. If not done, we are walking towards either slavery or extinction.

 

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I will try to guess. India had produced two nobel prize winners by 1947, including one in hard science. Way before a chinese or a japanese. There was serious research going on in india in the first half of the 20th century.

Yet the Nehru chacha chose a molvi to become the education minister. The molvi's only interest was in doctoring history books.

As Orwell said, "Those who control the past control the future. Those who controls the present controls the past."

We have been taken for a ride. We were taught lies in the name of History. The deprogramming will be hard work. If not done, we are walking towards either slavery or extinction.

I've seen this debate and the reasons are evident why those books have been doctored. The books talk about what the British did, we can talk about that all we want. And the result is people here resent the Brits for it. That's ok as there are no Brits in this country. Harder to do that with mughals as it then feeds into communal politics. So those books will remain as is.

 

[dpandey]

it then feeds into communal politics.

All politics has been and is communal. Constitutional democracies are artificial constructs. It was a nice experiment but it didn't work.

When you start to see world politics as tribes in conflict, everything makes more sense.

To argue against from communal/identity politics to argue against a fundamental reality of life.

 

[technofast]

Will it be only for the chinese imported items that are being subjected to import duties? What about items that are sent as gift from other coutries? My friend from France had recently sent a 6kg package of assorted items like perfumes, choclates,wristwatch etc.. and I was charged around Rs.3000/- for the package as custom duties. The package was clearly mentioned as gift and total value mentioned as 200euros and it was the fiirst time I had received the package from France. Is the custom duty on the higher side or lower or should the duty be waived off as it was a genuine gift items.

 

[Sudarshan_SMD]

I mean Indian history books. The Brits aren't going to give us much credit but their empire was built off the backs of Indian blood & treasure.

We'd have no border issues with the Chinese if Nehru hadn't disbanded the million and half strong army we had post independence. India & China were never neighbours. Tibet was the buffer.

I suppose he had to cut costs some how. Too strong a military could endanger a nascent democracy and the chance of a military coup was always a worry.

Going off topic here.
Can you recommend books on Indian history topic?

 

[nimod]

Going off topic here.
Can you recommend books on Indian history topic?

Currently reading :
"भारत में अंग्रेजी राज " By पंडित सुंदरलाल -- Vol. I, Vol.II, Vol.III
Wikipdia page of the book.

This is the best book I have come across in History segment.
I highly recommend this book to all interested in History.
Too many new/untold facts.

 

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All politics has been and is communal. Constitutional democracies are artificial constructs. It was a nice experiment but it didn't work.

When you start to see world politics as tribes in conflict, everything makes more sense.

To argue against from communal/identity politics to argue against a fundamental reality of life.

Might make more sense but the question is how do you manage the conflict that will inevitably spring up ?

Manage it and you can make gains, lose control somebody else takes over.

That is the aim of the game whether domestic or international. Preserve the status quo or stability.

Given a choice between that and truth every risk averse politician will choose the former.

As evidenced by the education ministers statement that not one word in the books has been changed.

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Going off topic here.
Can you recommend books on Indian history topic?

Not really as just getting my head around current affairs is hard enough that i don't get much time to look at the past.

All i can say is read wide and anything that interests you. I like foreign takes as they see things without any domestic lens. They can bring their own too so there's that.

Historiography is a subject just on its own.