I am only looking for acoustic electric one. looking it as a one time investment as will not be able guy another just like this
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DrkLord
Galvanizer
There is an electro acoustic version f310 for around 14k, you can also go for fender cd 60I am only looking for acoustic electric one. looking it as a one time investment as will not be able guy another just like this
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DrkLord
Galvanizer
Sorry for late reply, did you find something you like?I was looking for solid wood option as have heard that they sound great
For a starter / beginner, I actually recommend getting any guitar within your budget, the reason being most of the guitars < 7-10k are crap anyways.
HOWEVER
Once you start playing guitar, you will understand what to look out for, like ex. The neck, the fretboard, the action, awareness to any buzzing / intonation, tuners and their mechanisms, the gauge of strings that you prefer, the shape of body, the tones of guitar, etc. For a beginner you would be relying on others opinions, but with experience you will know what you want and don't like. So, get a cheapo electric / acoustic from amazon (which are all chinese guitars anyways) and play that Givson or Sender to hell and back lol
HOWEVER
Once you start playing guitar, you will understand what to look out for, like ex. The neck, the fretboard, the action, awareness to any buzzing / intonation, tuners and their mechanisms, the gauge of strings that you prefer, the shape of body, the tones of guitar, etc. For a beginner you would be relying on others opinions, but with experience you will know what you want and don't like. So, get a cheapo electric / acoustic from amazon (which are all chinese guitars anyways) and play that Givson or Sender to hell and back lol
DrkLord
Galvanizer
Yamaha's F310 is a great guitar under 10k. Much better than other offerings under 10k.
It has fuller sound than other guitars(knock offs) and having a guitar which is easier to play and sounds good plays a crucial role in whether one is going to continue the hobby or not.
Of course, if you are not very serious to begin with and would just like to test the waters then any 2.5k guitar will do.
The way I see it, seriousness in the beginning practically amounts to nothing. Its by the end / middle of the process that they will get properly invested. Buying a guitar is the easy part. If the person is not interested they could easily sell it off. Selling a cheaper guitar at 20-40% loss is way more pocketable than selling an expensive guitar at similar loss. The mid range used market has some pretty good deals, many come from people who start out with good gear without knowing if they are going to invest time into it.
If you join a class (esp from someone who you know / are recommended cuz of your contacts) the teacher will usually hook you up with a good guitar or might let you rent for a month or two, which should be sufficient to know if you want to get another better guitar.
Also, please note this is the way I learnt to play guitar. I started with a crappy black Givson, then even played a black Yamaha acoustic worth 10k (I don't remember the model, but it could very well be F310) but eventually settled with electric guitar as setting up acoustic guitars need expertise, esp with intonation. The expensive acoustics are intonated fairly well, hence their price (At least thats what my guitarist friends tell me). A friend of mine also showed me a chinese knock off guitar which sounded insanely good, tho I admit it was a case of RNGesus smiling on him lol.
Right now I'm not playing my guitar (have to restring and set it up again, also need to fix the neck of my bass guitar). I bought my electric guitar used for 5k and used bass for 4k, if I do indeed abandon playing guitar I'm fairly certain I could sell it without any depreciation. But, to tap into the potential of used market, one does need to spend time not just playing the guitar, but also learning about what makes it tick.
DrkLord
Galvanizer
True indeed. What you are suggesting is very wise financially. For me it is a combination of different things, the 2.5k guitar I first bought was an instrument straight from hell, I sucked big time, and the travel on strings made it even worse. I got rid of it, got a yamaha later and I still suck but less, the guitar sounds fuller and all in all I'm happy with it. I have few friends who started with 2.5k guitars and still play on them and in my inexperienced eyes and ears they are nothing less than maestros. They manage to make even those guitars sound wonderful.
Again, if one is not sure about whether they are going to continue the hobby or not, invest money less and time more in the hobby and see if they like it. Play guitar is an insanely rewarding hobby and I do hope people stick with it more. But still, if one can afford a decent beginner guitar they should go for it, as it makes the barrier to creating good music lower(keeping all other factors same).
Also, which electric and bass guitar do you have, I'm being nosy but I'd like to get them some day, hence asking
That'd be so cool. The more guitar playing people we have here on te the better! I am noob but
@kvn95ss could help you along the way, with me giving full moral support!
Any rocksmith players here? I feel I am the only one who started learning with an electric guitar, a cheap 5k one but still an electric.
Kubdya Khavis
Explorer
Always better to start learning with an acoustic. The action is higher than an electric so it can be tricky at first but once you get a hold of it its much easier to shift to an electric. Also with an electric the pickup will amplify any mistakes you make, especially on distortion. A beginner shouldnt be thinking about how to mute all the strings properly while learning to play. Anywho, how was your experience with rocksmith?
Rezep
Galvanizer
Does anyone here have any advice on how I can start to learn music theory or be able to open my ears more with my guitar? I'm at a stage now where I can play most songs with a tab, but again via tab isn't really playing it by yourself. Like for instance, "This is in the key of C". I am not oblivious to what keys or notes or stuff like that are, I infact did know a bit a few years back but I don't have much or any confidence with regards to music theory. Like even the most simple folk songs in my region are just a few chords in the key of this note. I however cannot figure that out.
Many would suggest taking music classes but that's out of my budget atm and no time for it.
Thanks in advance!
Many would suggest taking music classes but that's out of my budget atm and no time for it.
Thanks in advance!
This depends on your objectives. Do you want to be able to write your own stuff? Want to pick up songs by ear? Do you just want to play guitar or compose for a band?
The note-scale-chord-progression-mode stuff isn't too hard to get a grasp of. But real music needs study - like proper study. To that extent, 'theory' is a misnomer. It is literally all of music. Even to break the rules you need to know what the rules are. Ideally, you also need to learn to read music (not tabs).
Unfortunately the best resource in the world specific to guitar players was Wholenote.com (I was using that in the late 90s but it predated that by a bit), which is gone. There's some guitar-specific stuff here:
chrissung.com
Edit: don't use the above link. I realised most of them link to the site, which is not reachable.
And a slightly wider perspective:
www.harmonycentral.com
And obviously, a place to get humiliated:
You won't find much by the way of tutorials here, more of a place to ask questions when you're stumped:
The note-scale-chord-progression-mode stuff isn't too hard to get a grasp of. But real music needs study - like proper study. To that extent, 'theory' is a misnomer. It is literally all of music. Even to break the rules you need to know what the rules are. Ideally, you also need to learn to read music (not tabs).
Unfortunately the best resource in the world specific to guitar players was Wholenote.com (I was using that in the late 90s but it predated that by a bit), which is gone. There's some guitar-specific stuff here:
Guitar Lessons
When I first built WholeNote.com, I created over 100 online guitar lessons with guitar tab and music playback (MIDI). My output in this area has fallen off since then, though it’s something t…
chrissung.com
Edit: don't use the above link. I realised most of them link to the site, which is not reachable.
And a slightly wider perspective:
Learn
www.harmonycentral.com
And obviously, a place to get humiliated:
You won't find much by the way of tutorials here, more of a place to ask questions when you're stumped:
Rezep
Galvanizer
With regards to the guitar, I do mainly want to pick up songs by ear and then be able to play them back. My older cousins all have a good ear with music all because they didn't have access to so much resources like how I do now. As many before them, they would just repeat a song section by section until they somehow figured it all out on their guitar.
At the moment, I'm just a tab monkey. Sure I can play like some 20 songs off my head now (albeit they aren't perfect). I suppose it's also wrong to expect myself to be at their level (after decades of experience) where they just listen to a song and already see it on their fretboard, but I'm still at the bottom of that staircase having not taken a step yet
I want to have that ear where, "alright I don't know how to exactly play this simple song but I do know that the melody sounds like this" and somehow figure out the chord progression. My friends who have enrolled in guitar tutoring being guided well, have a grasp on this far better than I do. I'm happy with what I've been able to actually do by myself using just tabs and the internet but I still feel somewhat "blind" to how it all works.
Oh yes, maybe using "theory" is too open ended of a term, I just want to know mainly more about notes,scales and chord progressions as you've stated. But mainly I suppose it's that ability to pickup by ear that I wish to know.
I'm not fully oblivious to how all of these concepts work though, I know that c key basically means it starts and ends with C (hopefully I'm not butchering it up) and what chords work in between out of just the sheer number of songs I've just played from tabs online. I've tried out scales as well with backing tracks in said key.
I suppose I need to put in more time on my side as well rather than searching for a one size fit all guide.
That comes with time. Start with simple songs and work your way up. You have to go section by section as well, if you don't want to go through the entire theory bit. Get the basics right - thirds and fifths give you a major chord, minor third and fifth get a minor chord. Learn the basic chords in a single scale and play them. A lot. Look for tips online from the masters - Mark Knopfler would play the same chords over and over till he fell asleep holding the guitar. Stick to one scale to start with - John Mayer recommends G pentatonic, but it's better to first learn the entire scale - and play them up and down at different positions on the fretboard to understand how the scale actually works. Start somewhere else than the fundamental - start at the fifth, or the second.
The main issue is time. I suck at it now and have always sucked, but maybe a bit less when I was regular till about ten years ago. If you have any specific questions there's plenty of places better than here to ask (no offense) but we'll be happy to help. But basically, learn your scales. Most guitar teachers basically will teach you the scales (More than two, if you're lucky) and their positions, and if you all you want is to play in your bedroom or for a few friends that's pretty much enough as a starting point. I have some basic posts a way back in this thread, but I don't remember what I wrote. I do remember covering the wheel of fifths somewhere here, I think so. That's also a decent way to learn
But learn your scales. You will begin to be able to hum them in your head, and that's how you'll begin to recognise maybe one or two chords of a single song. And play with others. Who are much better than you. That's the key to learning.
Edit: Found my posts from 2007 at the beginning of the thread. Man, those are embarrassing.
DrkLord
Galvanizer
The next upgrade from a f310 would be the yamaha fg800. It costs close to 20k(19k with offers), if you can get it 2nd hand under 15k it will be a great deal. Even though it is worth it at the mrp of 20k also.