Have r/India always been like this?

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That's a picture perfect viewpoint, but it side-steps the actual issue completely. It's not about culture, it's about money.

You're framing it as a zero sum problem with the tesla example.

If one third of positions go unfulfilled then reducing H1B numbers will lead to more vacancies which will only increase in a growing business climate.

This is the part where you're in a losing game. Doesn't matter if your demographics are great If they can't find the workers in this case the jobs will move to where they are. This will then become a slippery slope.

The example of manufacturing is given. All or mostly gone. Took a few decades but got there.

 

[rsaeon]

He's a proponent of increasing H1B's which conservatives in the US are opposing. And he does have other interests other than Tesla.

Maybe it's just a game to him, who knows what someone's motivations are when you have more money than a billion people combined.

 

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He's a proponent of increasing H1B's which conservatives in the US are opposing. And he does have other interests other than Tesla.

That's been the case since Pat Buchanan in the early nineties. Same arguments he put forward. Big tech overruled that idea

Maybe it's just a game to him, who knows what someone's motivations are when you have more money than a billion people combined.

Elon isn't the only employer benefiting. He's just stuck his neck out and taking one for the team.

 

[rsaeon]

Elon isn't the only employer benefiting. He's just stuck his neck out and taking one for the team.

Yeah, haha, that is definitely true. The silence from everyone else is incredible, and they will remain silent because the conservatives are a base that no product-based company wants to go against.

My point was that the conservatives voted in their self-interest and got exactly the opposite of what they expected. But, hypothetically, if anyone voted to see chaos, they're getting exactly want they expected.

And their country continues to progress regardless of who voted for what.

 

[lged821]

"someone voted to see chaos".

I thought there were 2-3 wars going under previous regime? Children dying, killed. Still are.

I mean am sure people haven't gone blind but the audacity to say it wasn't chaos b/w 2020-24.

and about H1B, trump's position has clearly changed since 2016, and it's not like democrats came in support of Indians anyways. All I see is there is a split in MAGA for H1B. Many MAGA are in support for H1B and many aren't.

 

[rsaeon]

That's a different lens you're looking through. The majority of Americans, voters, don't decide their vote based on foreign policy. Also, there has never not been a war. The only difference compared to ten or thirty years ago is that today we're live-steaming war. There will always be war so long as human breathe the same air. But that's a different pot of drama.

Here, this person they elected recommended that people inject bleach as a cure for covid and warned them of immigrants eating their pet dogs and cats.

I'd put a vote for him just for the chaos factor.

MAGA will go through the stages of grief and come out as if it was their idea all along and that they never wanted bottom-of-the-barrel tech jobs, probably even before the inauguration.

Didn't the same happen here with every. single. controversial. decision made by this government? It's only fringe elements that still rattle on about demonetisation, china ban, thali banging — the vast majority of the population is content with how we got to where we are now.

 

[lged821]

"someone voted to see chaos".

there has never not been a war

We got here pretty darn fast.

I'd put a vote for him just for the chaos factor.

That's called pre conceived bias, that too when this upcoming president has been president before aswell and there were literally zero wars then as per the UN.

MAGA will go through the stages of grief and come out as if it was their idea all along

Just like you came to "where has not been a war"?

this person they elected recommended that people inject bleach as a cure for covid and warned them of immigrants eating their pet dogs and cats.

Ah the "Fact check" of a biased journalist in the debate, where the same journos never fact check a single thing for Kamala. Give it a rest.

Not a single time people going against trump here or on X or anywhere bring up "president pardoned his pedophile son".

 

[rsaeon]

Give it a rest.

Ah, you've got a persecution fetish. Look, we can discuss this objectively in good faith if you're able to overcome your bias. You've a vested interest in politics and I have absolutely none, I just like the armchair.

there has never not been a war

We got here pretty darn fast.

How do you use words to say something that means nothing at all? What are you trying to say? Maybe work on your communication skills because you're relying on someone to interpret sarcasm as wit and it's not helping you.

Anyway, you brought up war as a decisive factor in the election results, I disagreed. Americans don't care about war, they care about egg and petrol prices. A small group of Arab Americans voted for him because war was an issue for them, and they ended up regretting it. In other words, voting in their own self-interest did not help them — my one and only point in this thread.

Everything else you've said is gibberish within the context of what I said so I'm not going to reply further. Feel free to find someone else to fuel your fetish.

 

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I'd put a vote for him just for the chaos factor.

Trump is a major disruptor, if you want to put it that way. Whether domestic or overseas

A small group of Arab Americans voted for him because war was an issue for them, and they ended up regretting it.

What were they expecting?

A group wants him because he will be more sympathetic to the Saudis. This group is minuscule.

Another were thinking wrongly that he would end the war whether Israel likes it or not.

Is that really the right take?

In other words, voting in their own self-interest did not help them — my one and only point in this thread.

Those people have misread the situation.

 

[TEUser2K1]

USA always imported talent to increase their technological and economical prowess. H1B's only concern is lesser salary offered.
Importing talent of all kinds, that too at lower costs, can augur local business growth and nation's progress. Don't know why they are sympathetic to caravans and and lower end workers from volatile countries, but not at talented workers who can take a country forward.
Strange.

 

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Don't know why they are sympathetic to caravans and and lower end workers from volatile countries, but not at talented workers who can take a country forward.
Strange.

The lower end workers are needed to keep cities running because locals just won't do that kind of work.

Where things go pear shaped is as a result of excess & mostly illegal low end they tighten up on the skilled and most useful and most likely to be legal workers.

Low end is necessarily illegal because there is no legal way in for that kind of work.

Contrast with gulf countries where both are only legal. It's ok for them because no one can immigrate there or buy land.

 

[altair21]

let me put it this way, if you are not banned in r/India, r/UnitedStatesofIndia and r/IndiaSpeaks and regularly engage in political threads? then you are a ****ing idiot and should look at your life choices, I would include r/IndiaDiscussion too but mods there dont really ban people, and once in a blue moon, you do get some nuanced discussion over there

I, too, remain clear of all Indian Political subs for a very basic reason - it is either totally left (r/india) or totally right (r/indiaspeaks)
There is no point in delving in meaningless long debates as nobody is there to discuss but only to profess.

I think what r/India dont really get is, they are not left by any means, hell looking at congress policies, and comparing to saner countries like in EU, they would not even be center-left and are firmly in the right spectrum,

There arent any parties in India that are firmly Left or even center-left in their policies.

didnt want to detract from your comment, but just a tangent because no one really points out this nuance

Assuming your title is an actual question, I remember that sub was a pretty diverse place before 2014 or so. At that time politics was mostly boring and the sub was mostly 30% politics and rest memes, discussions, basically all of current Indian reddit scene compressed into one sub. That sub was the only place you could find Indian people on reddit, so politics was not able to take centrestage. After 2014 we all know that polarisation in Indian politics has increased slowly, and overall political discussion in day to day life, both offline and online has surged. Turns out the guy who was the top mod of /r/india was left wing, and they started banning BJP supporters.

its not even just BJP supporters, its basically anyone who speaks positively about India, or disagrees with peeps who are trashing India where there's not even one lick of political debate brewing.

Yes. If that is who the people choose. This tends to upset some people.

Are you a democrat or not?

this is what you dont get, democracy is freedom, a dominant party suppressing the opinions/rights of the minor party voters is not democracy, what you are describing is just dictatorship in fancy words

 

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There arent any parties in India that are firmly Left or even center-left in their policies.

didnt want to detract from your comment, but just a tangent because no one really points out this nuance

No progressives in Congress?

this is what you dont get, democracy is freedom, a dominant party suppressing the opinions/rights of the minor party voters is not democracy, what you are describing is just dictatorship in fancy words

Where did I say I was for suppressing opinions/rights of minor party voters?

What I said or prefer is comments on whatever policy of the government in question in a positive and informative manner.

I don't pay attention to the opposition because I don't consider their views important. If I want valid criticisms they can be found among supporters who are the strictest judges.

Now if the opposition today becomes the government then I will follow them with the same preferences again. Ignoring the opposition no matter how tempting whatever they say.

I don't find too many people who can do that. They pick a side and stick with it forever. They only know to dance to a certain tune and fight in a certain way.

 

[roadrash99]

I would include r/IndiaDiscussion too but mods there dont really ban people, and once in a blue moon, you do get some nuanced discussion over there

Not my experience, I was banned there just for discussing my ban from /r/indiaspeaks. They are fine on /r/indiadiscussion as long as you slam the leftists on /r/india.

 

[Mr.J]

Not my experience, I was banned there just for discussing my ban from /r/indiaspeaks. They are fine on /r/indiadiscussion as long as you slam the leftists on /r/india.

Both Indiaspeaks and Indiadiscussion will ban you for sharing any negative news about you-know-which party. Happened with my old account few years back. And I was posting links from proper newspapers like Indian Express and The Hindu etc., not from like weird blogs or tweets.

 

[TEUser2K1]

The lower end workers are needed to keep cities running because locals just won't do that kind of work.

If that is the case, should be better to make those workers legal rather than keeping them illegal and flare up the issue.

High end workers also should be treated the same.

I don't pay attention to the opposition because I don't consider their views important.

You mean opposition is not credible enough !

 

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If that is the case, should be better to make those workers legal rather than keeping them illegal and flare up the issue.

Definitely but domestic politics won't allow it. Elon et al. have lots of financial lobbying power to push for high end. Who is there to do it at the low end.

The only time it was acceptable was after ww2 where these people would help to rebuild destroyed cities. That's no longer the case for a few decades now.

So they allow illegals in without having to fight for it in parliament.

High end workers also should be treated the same.

Same

You mean opposition is not credible enough !

Doesn't matter what they think. Opposition does not make policy.

 

[TEUser2K1]

Doesn't matter what they think. Opposition does not make policy.

They definitely can influence the policies.

 

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They definitely can influence the policies.

Possible in a minority government. But here what the allies say is more important than the opposition. Good example of this is Likud. They can never get an absolute majority so have to depend on allies to avoid a no confidence vote.

The US isn't like that. There is no vote of no confidence. Once a party wins they pretty much call the shots.

Unless a negative campaign is concocted with media partners. Or false campaigns like Muller investigation etc

Ambiguous what policy is being influenced here as a result of these tactics.

 

[6pack]

Just thinking out loud here - Why don't people who have been banned by other subs make their own India related sub? It's easy to make subs on reddit.