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Hi Guys......
I really need your advice as i am planning to buy a PC

Budget : 40k (can extend it to 42 or may be 43 )

Usage : Gaming 70 %
Movies HD 20%
browsing,music 10%

Components as advised by a hardware dealer :

Motherboard : ASUS M5A88-M -----6200 INR
Processor : AMD FX6100 Bulldozer series ------9300 INR
Graphic Card : Asus HD 6870 1GB DDR5 ------11700 INR
PSU : Corsair 600w --------4400 INR (and 750w is for 6400 INR)
RAM : Corsair 4GB 1600 FSB ------1750 INR
Harddisk : 1 TB Seagate ----5250 INR
Cabinet : Gaming cabinet ------ 2500 INR
Additional fans for proper Heat Dissipaton (Price for this i need to confirm)

Total : 41,100 INR + for fans
Kindly guide me is this config best that i can get for this much money .....
Manufacturer's company no concern as long as the components are solid and have a longer life span.
I am neither fan of AMD nor Intel. This is what my hardware dealer advised me and said that i can take the help of cross fire with 1GB of AMD graphics integrated onto the ASUS motherboard thus enhancing Gaming experience to the next level .

I need your suggestions what improvements can i make to build a Solid Gaming PC.
 
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Firstly you need to follow this template -- http://www.techenclave.com/pc-buying-advice/template-what-should-i-buy-use-143714.html, secondly you've provided decent amount of information so here is a good configuration --

Intel Core i3 2100 ~ 6200/-

Intel DH67-BL ~ 5800/-

Corsair XMS3 4GB x 1 1600MHz module ~ 1650/-

nVidia GTX 560 [note the 560 and not the 560 Ti edition] ~ 11900/-

Corsair VX 550W ~ 4500/-

NZXT Gamma ~ 2300/-

Seagate 500GB ~ 5500/- [last I checked prices are jacked up sky high, so just to be safe -- Theitdepot - Seagate Barracuda 500GB Internal Desktop Hard Drive (ST500DM002)]

Do you already have a monitor OR do you plan to run the set-up off a TV, please advice. Until then, hope this helped.

Some links that will help you for further reference --

The Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 Review: Take Off Your Ti : Meet The GeForce GTX 560 -- nVidia GTX 560 review,

AnandTech - Bench - CPU -- Intel Core i3 vs. AMD Phenom IIx4.

Also, these 2 components aren't compatible --
Motherboard : ASUS M5A88-M -----6200 INR

Processor : AMD FX6100 Bulldozer series ------9300 INR
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Op should go for gtx560ti-14.5k+seasonic s12ii 520w-3.6k combination,since he is going to game at 70% rate,so better gpu is better choice.
 
Thank you for providing knowledgeable advice. I appreciate it a lot.

I don't plan to buy a new monitor as i already have Samsung lcd monitor 22".

I am only planning to buy the components mentioned in my thread and i can extend my budget till 42,000 INR.

Moreover the motherboard you adviced Intel DH67-BL doesn't support 1600 Mhz of DDR3 RAM. And we cannot even take the advantage of SLI feature whereas ASUS motherboard has 1GB of onboard Graphics and crossfire comes into action.

I know i don't have much knowledge about these things as i am still a newbie.

I can extend my budget but i need maximum performance in Games and what are you reviews for AMD and Intel platform machines. I mean which 1 will give best performance in Games with ultra settings without getting overheated as this is the main area of concern.

My hardware vendor was totally against Intel machines as he suggested that i can get better performance from AMD platform than the overpriced rival Intel. He also mentioned that AMD processor has 6 cores than dual core i3 thus delivering better performance.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Thanks :)
 
^^ Gaming is really not a greatly threaded task and an Intel Core i3 demolishes the AMD Thuban [Phenom IIx6] easily at this task, look at the game benches in this thread + power consumption -- AnandTech - Bench - CPU.

Intel memory controllers are very good and even after no official support for 1600MHz, it is easily the best frequency to go for for sheer value for money -- AnandTech - Sandy Bridge Memory Scaling: Choosing the Best DDR3
I think we confirmed what we pretty much knew all along: Sandy Bridge's improved memory controller has all but eliminated the need for extreme memory bandwidth, at least for this architecture. It's only when you get down to DDR3-1333 that you see a minor performance penalty. The sweet spot appears to be at DDR3-1600, where you will see a minor performance increase over DDR3-1333 with only a slight increase in cost. The performance increase gained by going up to DDR3-1866 or DDR3-2133 isn't nearly as pronounced.
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If you are worried about your processor getting hot, replace the stock HSF with a Cooler Master Hyper 212+ ~ 2100/-, here are a few reviews, for a processor like the Core i3 this will be more than enough -- Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus Review - Overclockers Club /
Pros:- Price
- Excellent Cooling Performance
- Dual fan capable out of the box
- Very powerful stock fan
- Backplate comes standard
- Improved installation process (compared to other CM coolers)
Cons:
- Heatpipes are the smaller style
- Relies on a 2000RPM fan for optimal performance
- Questions over Fan specs
- Single pressure point mount does allow twisting to happen
- "Only" second best at high loads
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Hope this helps and answers your queries Sire.

Who is this esteemed vendor of yours Sire?

thegatekeeper said:
Op should go for gtx560ti-14.5k+seasonic s12ii 520w-3.6k combination,since he is going to game at 70% rate,so better gpu is better choice.
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I think the GTX 560Ti warrants a minimum 600W SMPS to be on the safe side [Cooler Master Silent Pro M600 / Corsair TX V2 650W ~ 5400/-], that combo will overshoot OP's means.
 
Thank you for your reply. Actually my vendor sells more AMD products than Intel, so he supports AMD but that doesn't matter to me.
I was going through the configuration you mentioned and i found it a decend one. Intel core i3 2100 reviews are good and my mind is now shifting from AMD platform to Intel and your links were very helpful.
I din't get your point you mentioned about GTX 560ti, i mean should i go for it or not if i increase my SMPS wattage to corsair 600w.
I prefer factory overclocked reliable components as i am not into overclocking either my CPU nor my GPU and i also don't want to get in the mess of overclocking.
I have shortlisted asus Graphic card http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/NVIDIA_Series/ENGTX560_Ti_DC2_TOPG2DI1GD5/#specifications
Is this a right option ?
Moreover is Cooler Master Hyper 212+ compatible with Intel Core i3 2100 and Intel DH67-BL ? Is there a need for Cooler Master Hyper 212+ in comparison to stock fan ?

And also i forgot to mention i prefer to get best audio quality output from motherboard as i have sony home theatre system. Does Intel fits into this requirement or else i have to buy a good sound card ?

So the configuration becomes :

Intel core i3 2100(CPU)
Intel DH67-BL (motherboard)
corsair XMS3- 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 1333Mhz (RAM)
Corsair 600w SMPS (PSU)
ASUS GTX 560 Ti DirectCU II TOP (GPU)
Seagate barracuda 1 TB 6 GB/s (Harddisk)
NZXT Gamma(Cabinet)

Advice Please !
 
Thank you for your reply. Actually my vendor sells more AMD products than Intel, so he supports AMD but that doesn't matter to me.

I was going through the configuration you mentioned and i found it a decend one. Intel core i3 2100 reviews are good and my mind is now shifting from AMD platform to Intel and your links were very helpful.

I din't get your point you mentioned about GTX 560ti, i mean should i go for it or not if i increase my SMPS wattage to corsair 600w.

I prefer factory overclocked reliable components as i am not into overclocking either my CPU nor my GPU and i also don't want to get in the mess of overclocking.

I have shortlisted asus Graphic card http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/NVIDIA_Series/ENGTX560_Ti_DC2_TOPG2DI1GD5/#specifications

Is this a right option ?

Moreover is Cooler Master Hyper 212+ compatible with Intel Core i3 2100 and Intel DH67-BL ? Is there a need for Cooler Master Hyper 212+ in comparison to stock fan ?

And also i forgot to mention i prefer to get best audio quality output from motherboard as i have sony home theatre system. Does Intel fits into this requirement or else i have to buy a good sound card ?

So the configuration becomes :

Intel core i3 2100(CPU)

Intel DH67-BL (motherboard)

corsair XMS3- 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 1333Mhz (RAM)

Corsair 600w SMPS (PSU)

ASUS GTX 560 Ti DirectCU II TOP (GPU)

Seagate barracuda 1 TB 6 GB/s (Harddisk)

NZXT Gamma(Cabinet)

Advice Please !
 
If you aren't going to oc your cpu there is no need of aftermarket cooler get 2X120mm nzxt fans to have a nice airflow in nzxt gamma and get msi twin frozr ii gtx560ti if it isn't available then go for asus.
 
Firstly i would like to thank all of you for helping me build my Rig.

MSi twin frozr ii gtx560ti is available and i'll prefer that over Asus.

And secondly what are you suggestions for i5 2400 over i3 2100 ?

Will i5 2400 perform better in Games than i3 2100 ?

Config :

Intel core i5 2400(CPU)

Intel DH67-BL (motherboard)

corsair XMS3- 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 1333Mhz (RAM)

Corsair 600w SMPS (PSU)

MSi twin frozr ii gtx560ti (GPU)

Seagate barracuda 1 TB 6 GB/s (Harddisk)

NZXT Gamma(Cabinet)
 
^^ Look Sire, getting the Core i5 will boost your performance, but the added cost will blow your budget to hell, so your call as a trade off get this --

Core i5 2320 ~ 9500/-

Intel DH-67BL ~ 5800/-

Corsair XMS3 4GB 1600MHz ~ 1650/- [no need to get a 1333MHz memory module, better get the 1600MHz module, here is the reason -- ]

Seasonic S12II 620W ~ 4400/- TheITWares - One Stop for all Gizmos!SeaSonic S12II 620 Bronze 620W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

MSi Twin Frozr II 560 Ti ~ 15550/-

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB ~ 6000/- [look buy a hard-disk fast before the price ends up the same rates as gold]

NZXT Gamma ~ 2300/-

The Core i3 is not a bad choice, so if your budget doesn't permit go for that but the Core i5 is a next step and a good one at that.

The 1600MHz RAM module is a much more recommended buy over the 1333MHz module, so please buy the former over the latter --
I think we confirmed what we pretty much knew all along: Sandy Bridge's improved memory controller has all but eliminated the need for extreme memory bandwidth, at least for this architecture. It's only when you get down to DDR3-1333 that you see a minor performance penalty. The sweet spot appears to be at DDR3-1600, where you will see a minor performance increase over DDR3-1333 with only a slight increase in cost. The performance increase gained by going up to DDR3-1866 or DDR3-2133 isn't nearly as pronounced.
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The i3 does fine with a HD 6850 --> most members on TE will accept that, what with the AMD Phenom IIx4 getting mauled by it in most tasks at lower power consumption, also most games aren't very CPU limited at higher screen resolutions, also aren't very highly threaded tasks so the Core i3 will do fine --

Core i3-2120 and Core i3-2100 Processors Review. Page 5 - X-bit labs / AnandTech - Bench - CPU.

We are already used to the fact that when it comes to gaming performance of the new processors, there is only one conclusion to be drawn: Sandy Bridge are excellent gaming CPUs. There is nothing new to add this time, too. Core i3-2120 and Core i3-2100 run faster than any dual-core CPUs of the same class yielding to quad-core parts only in games that are well optimized for multi-threading.

The fact that Core i3-2100 more than 30% faster (on average) than Core i3-560 once again confirms that the new generation processors are highly advanced. And Sandy Bridge microarchitecture is the one that deserves all the credit. Both CPUs work at close frequencies, have the same number of cores and support Hyper-Threading. Moreover, Core i3-560 even has a slightly larger L3 cache, but despite all that we witness an enormous difference in performance. Of course, Sandy Bridge processors owe some of their success to the faster memory controller. The new Core i3 CPUs have their memory controller in the same semiconductor die as the computational cores. Besides it supports faster DDR3 types. However, this tremendous performance advantage cannot be explained only by the increased memory sub-system speed. There obviously are other reasons for that.
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I won't recommend i3 at all, because now days almost all the game's coming out are using all 4 core's and if you are getting an i3 today then i must say that you are wasting your money, make your pc future proof not present proof.
 
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vaibhav1 said:
I won't recommend i3 at all, because now days almost all the game's coming out are using all 4 core's and if you are getting an i3 today then i must say that you are wasting your money, make your pc future proof not present proof.
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Proof please. Only FarCry 2 has shown consistent use of quad-core processors.

Core i3 supports Hyper-Threading makes it pretty future proof for most tasks in the next 2 years especially gaming which has become more and more GPU-heavy in the past 5 years.

I find most Intel Core 2Quads will keep in good steed for another 2 years, yeah better than AMD processors of the same timeline, apart from the the current generation Thubans.
 
I think GTA4, black ops, witcher's 2 and many more games are using all 4 core's and give's much better performance in a quad core rather than a dual core.
 
^^ Black Ops has the same engine as Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, a Core 2Duo + HD 4850 can run that game maxed out and with enough breath to spare, the same combo can max out the sad game they call Modern Warfare 3.

GTA IV I'm not sure as I've not played the game. For Witcher 2 it is an all round system killer, depends on what all you crank up, it is highly dependent on V-RAM if you want medium / high quality texture packs in your game, and over time with multiple fixes released and 3 patches the game has matured enough to be played on a system like the a Intel Core i3 + HD 5770 [co-incidentally I play with a Phenom IIx4 + HD 5770].

Skyrim performs decently on a Intel Core 2Duo + HD 4850 and is served just as well by a Core i5 2400 + HD 6950 1GB. It's engine [Creation engine] is highly optimized for the consoles so I don't think future titles releasing on the PC will be too much to handle until they are PC exclusives, like Cryostasis.
 
If you are having stress understanding which cpu is better then check some benches out you will get clarified.

AnandTech - Bench - CPU
vaibhav1 said:
I think GTA4, black ops, witcher's 2 and many more games are using all 4 core's and give's much better performance in a quad core rather than a dual core.
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