Help: Water Pressure System and Water Softener for Home

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I could see two methods. So its a different model.

Which model kit do you have? Make more effort to be correct this time.

You've made two mistakes so far

Either ways you are missing the point.

Point is to measure the correct total hardness which you have not done so far

Your aquasol readings are off by a wide margin and I want to know why.

It's essential to know how well your softener is working

I maintain this is a reliable product in my experience

The aquasol kit has two methods. To measure 0-25ppm and 50-1000ppm.

They don't have a product that does 0-25ppm


AE231/A531 is too small a range for you

 

[belictony]

Which model kit do you have? Make more effort to be correct this time.

You've made two mistakes so far

Point is to measure the correct total hardness which you have not done so far

Your aquasol readings are off by a wide margin and I want to know why.

It's essential to know how well your softener is working

I maintain this is a reliable product in my experience

They don't have a product that does 0-25ppm

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AE231/A531 is too small a range for you
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Sir, I understand your sense for being right and 100% accurate all the time or trying to prove you are some intellectual.

Why are you defending Aquasol and Bionix?. You need to come out of confirmation bias and understand the point I made.

Depsite two kits showing different results, one showing soft and another showing moderately hard, there is limescale present in taps which you seem to have assessed as hardness more than 250ppm(very hard). Point is to assess what other substance is present in the water causing it including the hardness levels in a reliable water lab which will show us the brand giving accurate results. There is really no need for you to try to find the exact model and defend Aquasol as reliable or point that i havent done the testing right. The Aquasol test kit belongs to the vendor and he himself has tested it as well, therefore the method used to test is credible. I have seen the instructions in the testing kit for two ranges which means I used some model of Aquasol which i thought was AE541 which you indicated doesnt have. I agreed that its a different model. That's the end of the line here.

 

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Point is to assess what other substance is present in the water causing it including the hardness levels in a reliable water lab which will show us the brand giving accurate results.

Aquasol should be good enough for that

There is really no need for you to try to find the exact model and defend Aquasol as reliable or point that i havent done the testing right.

Yes there is. Your readings are obviously wrong

The Aquasol test kit belongs to the vendor and he himself has tested it as well, therefore the method used to test is credible. I have seen the instructions in the testing kit for two ranges which means I used some model of Aquasol which i thought was AE541 which you indicated doesnt have. I agreed that its a different model. That's the end of the line here.

So it was the vendor that did the test and not you and of course you don't even have the kit anymore.

How do you test how well your softener is working ? You will need to do regular testing to be on the safe side

When to regenerate etc.

What the tap water hardness is.

What the softened water hardness is

Why are you defending Aquasol and Bionix?

Because Aquasol is a reliable product and you've disputed that and me by extension.

I'm defending what I said for a product I've recommended numerous times to date on this board

I've no experience with Bionix.

 

[belictony]

Aquasol should be good enough for that

Yes there is. Your readings are obviously wrong

So it was the vendor that did the test and not you and of course you don't even have the kit anymore.

How do you test how well your softener is working ? You will need to do regular testing to be on the safe side

When to regenerate etc.

What the tap water hardness is.

What the softened water hardness is

Because Aquasol is a reliable product and you've disputed that and me by extension.

I'm defending what I said for a product I've recommended numerous times to date on this board

I've no experience with Bionix.

Sir, you are fixated on proving yourselves right and not help me identify the root cause. As you are very defensive about Aquasol, why don't you tell me why Aquasol is showing less than 25ppm and there is limescale deposits on the taps?.

You have dismissed my opinion thay it could be chloride, i have an iron remover installed before the water goes to the softener, so no iron in the water, but you don't know why the limescale occurrence could be. So pls keep your observations to youself, its not helping me identify the root cause of limescale.

Nonetheless i have given water testing samples to the lab and will get it soon to figure it out.

By chance are you having any affiliate with Aquasol?. I would expect some honesty and transparency on why you are fixated on Aquasol.
What evidence do you have to prove the reliability of Aquasol?.

 

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As you are very defensive about Aquasol, why don't you tell me why Aquasol is showing less than 25ppm and there is limescale deposits on the taps?.

That's what I'm trying to figure out. But you are going to have to cooperate.

Test it again WITH Aquasol. Your last test was bunk.

Moving forward you can't keep doing lab water testing because of the cost. Aquasol is an affordable solution for that. You need to do frequent testing with a water softener. Did nobody tell you this?

You have dismissed my opinion thay it could be chloride, i have an iron remover installed before the water goes to the softener, so no iron in the water, but you don't know why the limescale occurrence could be. So pls keep your observations to youself, its not helping me identify the root cause of limescale.

Who told you it was chloride in the first place? A simple search disproved it.

Nonetheless i have given water testing samples to the lab and will get it soon to figure it out.

I don't know how much that will help other than to get you a more accurate hardness measure.

And then what? You have to test the softened water. I would expect that to be 25ppm or thereabouts. Isn’t it.

Iy would be preferable if it was 100ppm for health reasons but I don't know if you can program the softness.

By chance are you having any affiliate with Aquasol?. I would expect some honesty and transparency on why you are fixated on Aquasol.

I'm happy we have access to such an affordable product in India. I was surprised to discover how expensive equivalent products were in the west. You can't recommend a titration test to people abroad which is more precise than those paper strips.

Titration is an accurate way to test for hardness. Which is why your results are suspect.

I have no affiliation with them just a satisfied customer of over eight years now. So when you say they aren't reliable I'm going to question you because I hate FUD

I've demonstrated to everyone here your earlier test with aquasol isn't reliable.

 

[belictony]

That's what I'm trying to figure out. But you are going to have to cooperate.

Test it again WITH Aquasol. Your last test was bunk.

Moving forward you can't keep doing lab water testing because of the cost. Aquasol is an affordable solution for that. You need to do frequent testing with a water softener. Did nobody tell you this?

Who told you it was chloride in the first place? A simple search disproved it.


I don't know how much that will help other than to get you a more accurate hardness measure.

And then what? You have to test the softened water. I would expect that to be 25ppm or thereabouts. Isn’t it.

Iy would be preferable if it was 100ppm for health reasons but I don't know if you can program the softness.

I'm happy we have access to such an affordable product in India. I was surprised to discover how expensive equivalent products were in the west. You can't recommend a titration test to people abroad which is more precise than those paper strips.

Titration is an accurate way to test for hardness. Which is why your results are suspect.

I have no affiliation with them just a satisfied customer of over eight years now. So when you say they aren't reliable I'm going to question you because I hate FUD

I've demonstrated to everyone here your earlier test with aquasol isn't reliable.

Why isn't it reliable? How did you demonstrate that?.

 

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The aquasol kit has two methods.

One is a low range and the other high. They use different chemicals for each range

Did you test the higher range?

Why isn't it reliable? How did you demonstrate that?.

Answer the above question

 

[belictony]

I tried both the methods. One shows less than 25ppm and the other showed 6ppm. You can find the same in my earlier comments

One is a low range and the other high. They use different chemicals for each range

Did you test the higher range?

Answer the above question

 

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I tried both the methods. One shows less than 25ppm and the other showed 6ppm.

This is why I asked you to confirm the kit.

Your results make no sense and if you look at the posted graphic of available kits they have I can't tell which kit was used. Can you?

Only one method out of the two is meaningful. If it's higher than the lower range that one will max out meaning you need to try the higher range.

This will be your final reading. The first one isn't useful

Or if it falls in the lower range. You will get a reading somewhere in between. The higher range will max out with the first drop. So here the lower range matters and not the higher.

 

[skoka123]

I have been using an Ion Exchange water softener since 2007. I only had to replace the manifold once. The new aftermarket generic manifold is much smoother than the original one. My tank holds 100 Litres of resin. After 10 years, I replaced 40% of the resin with new resin from Thermax. I have been using the Aquasol testing kit all these years.

I am using a Grundfos overhead Pressure Pump with 60 60-litre pressure tank. You cannot go wrong with Grundfos. The only issue I had was that the pressure tank bladder failed within 5 years. The Danfos pressure sensor has been replaced twice since 2007.

 

[soulweaver]

@skoka123 would you have any idea of how much the set-up would cost now? And what the the capacity of your overhead tank?

 

[belictony]

This is why I asked you to confirm the kit.

Your results make no sense and if you look at the posted graphic of available kits they have I can't tell which kit was used. Can you?

Only one method out of the two is meaningful. If it's higher than the lower range that one will max out meaning you need to try the higher range.

This will be your final reading. The first one isn't useful

Or if it falls in the lower range. You will get a reading somewhere in between. The higher range will max out with the first drop. So here the lower range matters and not the higher.

Its Aquasol kit. I cant recall the exact model number as it belongs to the vendor. It had both the methods listed down in the instructions. One method we use drops to turn blue multiple by 2 to arrive at ppm and another method requires 25 as multiple.

The first one took 3 drops to turn blue means 6ppm and the second method took 1 drop meaning less than 25ppm.

Hope this calm your nerves and gets you good night sleep. Water testing lab report will show the accuracy of Aquasol very well and also explain the limescale deposits in the taps

 

[skoka123]

@skoka123 would you have any idea of how much the set-up would cost now? And what the the capacity of your overhead tank?

I am assuming you are asking about the water softener.

In 2007, Ion Exchange was probably the only domestic water softener available at that time. I do not recall the exact cost, but I think at that it costed around 28K. My bore water hardness was around 300 ppm during the rainy season and gradually goes up to 450 ppm during the summers. I consider the water to be hard if it is above 50 ppm. Having a < 50 ppm input water results in my RO membrane lasting well over 2 years.

The last I looked (around 5 years ago), there weren't any successful automatic water softeners. Though the manual water softener takes some effort, it is trouble-free in operation.

My overhead tank is probably around 13 KL and my underground sump is around 8 KL.

 

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Its Aquasol kit. I cant recall the exact model number as it belongs to the vendor. It had both the methods listed down in the instructions. One method we use drops to turn blue multiple by 2 to arrive at ppm and another method requires 25 as multiple.

Found it

Total Hardness Test Kit (250 Test)

Total Hardness Test Kit (250 Test)-AE211-2 - 40 & 25 - 500 PPM (Mg/L)

www.rakiro.net

Or the 500 test equivalent

The first one took 3 drops to turn blue means 6ppm and the second method took 1 drop meaning less than 25ppm.

Your hardness was measured at 6ppm

Which water did you test?

I'd expect this result from water coming OUT of the softener as opposed to going IN which is what you want to test

That is the only way to explain this result.

User error

Water testing lab report will show the accuracy of Aquasol very well and also explain the limescale deposits in the taps

And how will you test the softened water?

 

[skoka123]

@soulweaver - Use the attached Excel calculator to get an approximate amount of soft water you can expect. The prepopulated values are for my softener. I think my tank has only 60 litres of working resin. I get about 12 KL per regeneration.

 

[belictony]

Found it

Total Hardness Test Kit (250 Test)

Total Hardness Test Kit (250 Test)-AE211-2 - 40 & 25 - 500 PPM (Mg/L)

www.rakiro.net

Or the 500 test equivalent

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Your hardness was measured at 6ppm

Which water did you test?

I'd expect this result from water coming OUT of the softener as opposed to going IN which is what you want to test

That is the only way to explain this result.

User error


And how will you test the softened water?

Tested the water coming out of softener. Duh..

What user error are you talking about?.

Why can't we test the softened water?. Please enlighten me.

 

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Tested the water coming out of softener. Duh..

There we go folks

What user error are you talking about?.

What you just said

Why can't we test the softened water?.

I did enquire about it earlier but you never replied.

Please enlighten me.

Who wants to take this one since he didn't understand my answer

 

[belictony]

There we go folks

What you just said

I did enquire about it earlier but you never replied.

Who wants to take this one since he didn't understand my answer

You dummy thought I am testing the water from the drain pipe of the water softener. Stop with the condescending tone. Water coming out means the water coming out of the softener and going to the tank. If you had seen a water softener you would know that they provide a tap between the pipe from the filtered water to the overhead tank.

Hope you learnt a good lesson and stop with your condescending mentality. It actually proves that you are not able to understand normal language. Maybe try chatgpt again.

 

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You dummy thought I am testing the water from the drain pipe of the water softener.

No I didn't

Stop with the condescending tone.

Actually you're the one who did that for the third time now while being wrong

Water coming out means the water coming out of the softener and going to the tank.

Softened water in other words. Yeah?

That is what I'm implying you tested

If you had seen a water softener you would know that they provide a tap between the pipe from the filtered water to the overhead tank.

Right

Hope you learnt a good lesson and stop with your condescending mentality. It actually proves that you are not able to understand normal language. Maybe try chatgpt again.

 

[belictony]

No I didn't

Actually you're the one who did that for the third time now while being wrong

Softened water in other words. Yeah?

That is what I'm implying you tested

Right

Softened water cannot be tested? Why?