Hi-Def: The Mistake That Nintendo Avoided
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You know, people said the same thing when Ps2 was the first console to pack the DVD drive. M$ was smart, they got DVD to relate their console to casual adult gamers, and make it a complete home system.
Ninty on the other hand, went the same way they are going with Wii now. Just pure gaming, nothing else. No music, no movies, piracy proof as well. And they finishedl last behind Xbox this gen.
And its getting repeated. Sony again does a Ps2 and goes BLu-Ray with Ps3, M$ does the same thing but gets a different media (HD), and Nintendo is again on the smae track. Nothing next-gen or fancy, just pure gaming. The only difference here is that Nintendo has gone a step ahead in that pure gaming part with the Wii. And that's why people are liking, because its something totaly new.
And its already well known hardly any individual wil settle for a Wii alone. He will couple it either with a Ps3 or X360. Even some employee from M$ said the same thing.
Even now, Wii is still not a complete system to what the fans are looking for. So 'Not' having Blu-Ray or HD is, in fact, a mistake from Nintento's side. If Ninty had packed a blueray or HD with Wii, then it would have truly been complete.
Ninty on the other hand, went the same way they are going with Wii now. Just pure gaming, nothing else. No music, no movies, piracy proof as well. And they finishedl last behind Xbox this gen.
And its getting repeated. Sony again does a Ps2 and goes BLu-Ray with Ps3, M$ does the same thing but gets a different media (HD), and Nintendo is again on the smae track. Nothing next-gen or fancy, just pure gaming. The only difference here is that Nintendo has gone a step ahead in that pure gaming part with the Wii. And that's why people are liking, because its something totaly new.
And its already well known hardly any individual wil settle for a Wii alone. He will couple it either with a Ps3 or X360. Even some employee from M$ said the same thing.
Even now, Wii is still not a complete system to what the fans are looking for. So 'Not' having Blu-Ray or HD is, in fact, a mistake from Nintento's side. If Ninty had packed a blueray or HD with Wii, then it would have truly been complete.
Blade_Runner
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^^ Exactly and ninty is packing a hell lot of 3rd party support this time. Imho Sony is going down real bad, either its on the price front, or the poor yields.
deathvirus_me
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Well ... if the gameplay sucks , i don't think HD will make much diff. .. and after seeing the gameplay style in the WII , i just can't wait for it ...
Ck Nish said:
You're a little mistaken. Gamecube did have little third party support, but Xbox didn't have many killer exclusives either. Even without 3rd party, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Resident Evil, The Tales series pretty much surpassed the populariy, hype and ratings of Ninja Gaiden, Fable, Halo, Project Gotham etc on the Xbox. The rest the Xbox got was ports from Ps2 and the PC.
Link and Mario have always been the favourite. Video Game Cheats - Video Game Reviews - Video Game Codes - Video Game Web Site - GameFAQs has always been conduscting polls. In one of the character battles, Zelda and Mario made to the finals, Zelda beat Mario, over a million votes were registered in 24 hours timespan. It happens every year, and is happening now as well, Mario vs Warcraft as we speak, and Mario is beating Warcraft by a Huuge margin. And Warcraft, beat GTA by 2%. (Though that was because of immense Vote Rallying from Warcraft fans all over the internet, they set up the link to the poll on every major Warcraft server forums, GTA had Warcraft otherwise).
Anyways that went off the track a little, but you get my point. GC even without third party had BETTER quality games than Xbox.
The failure of Gamecube was because of little popluarity in Asia where only piracy sells. Second, it lacked a DVD player, Music cd player, no online, no hard drive.
And how much did Gamecube cost? 99.99$. That's around 100$ less than what Ps2 and Xbox were selling at the time (172$ iirc), yet it didn't do well.
As for PSP and DS. Well, if Panasonic, Phillips, Samsung secure rights to the UMD, and sell the feature in their standalone DVD players - See the sales for PSP jump like crazy, even surpass DS.
And BLu-Ray, is going to be major. People may want it or not, but fact still remains Ps3 will be packing the most powerful optical storage drive ever invented for commercial use - And Ps3 will be the cheapest that will be supporting it compared to standalones. That alone should give Ps3 a major boost into casual gaming homes, I can pretty much bet on this.
^^You on crack or what? Toshiba HD DVD players are already selling for less than 400$ in the market 
. The image quality of DVD on PS2 sucks... its worse than a 3k basic player cos of bad components in the output stage. Its gonna be the same with Bluray unless peepz use HDMI... which doesn't exist on the lower end PS3. Also talking of bluray drives, there's one from sony already out for 750$ that doesn't just read... it writes as well . Why'd anyone waste 600$ on a PS3 if all he/she wants is a bluray player .
. The image quality of DVD on PS2 sucks... its worse than a 3k basic player cos of bad components in the output stage. Its gonna be the same with Bluray unless peepz use HDMI... which doesn't exist on the lower end PS3. Also talking of bluray drives, there's one from sony already out for 750$ that doesn't just read... it writes as well . Why'd anyone waste 600$ on a PS3 if all he/she wants is a bluray player .What are you on about? Halo and Halo2 surpassed anything on the gc in terms of popularity. Xbox got a lot of exclusives and at a steady rate at that while the gc was only losing exclusives to the ps2 and having most third party titles being scraped from it's roster and I ca'nt believe you're using polls to justify yourself.
That is not a fact.
That is true to some extent. It also failed in western countries due to negative image issues that Ninty was getting and also zero western gaming support.
Why would people be stupid enough to choose UMD over DVD. Better yet, why would Panasonic, Philips and Samsung be stupid enough to suppport UMD in their DVD players.
That has yet to be seen since they said the same about UMD. The PS2 and PS3 are emerging in two entirely diffrent playing fields. When the PS2 was released DVD was already an accepted video format, but the same is not true with Blu-ray.
First of all, keep the personal attacks to yourself, next time.
Hm, lets see. around 400$ for an HD-DVD standlone. X360 is, a high end gaming hardware that plays old Xbox games, goes online, has built in Hard Drive and will have an HD-DVD add on which should cost around 200-300$, putting its cost nearly 600$.
400$ for a thing that only plays HD-DVD vs X360 for around 200$ extra, X360 is a bargain since its an all rounder here. And notice how it comes close to the price of Ps3. Ps3 being 600$ packs a better hardware in gaming and in terms of optical storage (Bluray>HDdvd).
And about the image quality - The difference is hardly noticable and hardly matters. The majority of the population don't hang around with HDTV's you know. And even for that, Ps2 still has component out, something better than nothing. Ps2 does the job well for an all round complete system, that plays videogames, plays movies and music cd's, plays mp3 and Divx from 3rd party support and for its price, its a steal. A little image quality difference in high end standalones don't matter at all.
Because Ps3 can do much more than you think it can. It plays BluRay, it packs a 60 gig Hard drive, Bluetooth, and that hell of a gaming system in it, and it still manages to sell less than standlones.
Ofcourse, those who are only specificaly looking for Blu-Ray only will surely go for standalones. Its a stupid comparison. Though, the general public is what i'm talking about. BluRay/HD-DVD gives Ps3/X360 the all rounder feel. A kid may want Wii, the parents may want a BluRay to watch movies, combined costs will top 800$.
Instead, why not suffice both and go for a 360/ps3 instead? In one device, both are satisfied. This feel contributed by Ps2 revolutionized gaming consoles form just 'gaming' consoles to digital home entertainment.
Simple comparison - More and more people are going for W800i/K750i - Which does the job of an Ipod video, a digital camera, and a phone. The all rounder feel.
Even though it will bet battered by Ipod, due to Ipod's having hardly noticeable better quality and more space, Digital camera's obviously pack much more quality than phones. All that again hardly matters to the majority of people - As long as it does all the functions one needs in a decent price - its good.
Toshiba HD DVD players are already selling for less than 400$ in the market
Hm, lets see. around 400$ for an HD-DVD standlone. X360 is, a high end gaming hardware that plays old Xbox games, goes online, has built in Hard Drive and will have an HD-DVD add on which should cost around 200-300$, putting its cost nearly 600$.
400$ for a thing that only plays HD-DVD vs X360 for around 200$ extra, X360 is a bargain since its an all rounder here. And notice how it comes close to the price of Ps3. Ps3 being 600$ packs a better hardware in gaming and in terms of optical storage (Bluray>HDdvd).
And about the image quality - The difference is hardly noticable and hardly matters. The majority of the population don't hang around with HDTV's you know. And even for that, Ps2 still has component out, something better than nothing. Ps2 does the job well for an all round complete system, that plays videogames, plays movies and music cd's, plays mp3 and Divx from 3rd party support and for its price, its a steal. A little image quality difference in high end standalones don't matter at all.
its worse than a 3k basic player cos of bad components in the output stage. Its gonna be the same with Bluray unless peepz use HDMI... which doesn't exist on the lower end PS3. Also talking of bluray drives, there's one from sony already out for 750$ that doesn't just read... it writes as well
Because Ps3 can do much more than you think it can. It plays BluRay, it packs a 60 gig Hard drive, Bluetooth, and that hell of a gaming system in it, and it still manages to sell less than standlones.
Ofcourse, those who are only specificaly looking for Blu-Ray only will surely go for standalones. Its a stupid comparison. Though, the general public is what i'm talking about. BluRay/HD-DVD gives Ps3/X360 the all rounder feel. A kid may want Wii, the parents may want a BluRay to watch movies, combined costs will top 800$.
Instead, why not suffice both and go for a 360/ps3 instead? In one device, both are satisfied. This feel contributed by Ps2 revolutionized gaming consoles form just 'gaming' consoles to digital home entertainment.
Simple comparison - More and more people are going for W800i/K750i - Which does the job of an Ipod video, a digital camera, and a phone. The all rounder feel.
Even though it will bet battered by Ipod, due to Ipod's having hardly noticeable better quality and more space, Digital camera's obviously pack much more quality than phones. All that again hardly matters to the majority of people - As long as it does all the functions one needs in a decent price - its good.
WTF? GC was losing hardly anything to Ps2. The only big lose i see is Final Fantasy. In return Nintendo got freaking RESIDENT EVIL. It got exclusive remakes of both Metal Gear Solid and Resident Evil - Both taking their births on Sony's consoles. You obviously have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. All this 'thrid party not on nintendo' is over exaggerated crap. GC had full support from all the divisions of EA, Capcom etc. Even in hardware, from Datel, Megacatz etc. What is missed was Rockstar and couple othersd and that was precisely due to nintendo having a kiddy apeal.
The polls matter, and show public opinion. When Zelda gathers over a million votes in a day, it show there are fans who support it, and love it. As much as you hate it to beleive, it may have not been the case in this part of the world where PC gaming is the mammoth, in the rest - Zelda and Mario singlehandedly crushed Halo series like nothing, there is no arguing out of this. Coming to the real sales figures - Halo series did sell very slight more than Zelda and Marios series on Gamecube - And that was because of GC being less in numbers than Xbox.
In popularity, no way is Halo nowhere near as popular than Zelda/Mario.
And this coming from a gamecube owner dissapoints me.
It was mainly due to lack of features that the other consoles packed. Gamecube has pathetic media support. The mini discs can hold hardly anything. On top of that, it lacked ONLINE. In which the PNP and Live were highly successful. And then, DVD drive, and then the third party support. Which i think was just something to blaim Gamecubes failer due to the lack of those features the other consoles packed.
You're not getting my point. PSP is trying to promote an entirely new format all by itself, entirely on its shoulders which i think is very irrational. Lets say if the UMD being seeded by other companies in their devices, then PSP with the UMD would surely have recieved a much more popular look.
It is. The only difference here is Ps2 entered late with the DVD while standlone established the format. Here, the Ps3 is beginning from the start on a new establishment of optical storage intended on a high global commercial use.
params7 said:
Where the hell did you get that 300$ price from? The 400$ player has a P4 CPU+1GB RAM+1GB Flash memory+compatible motherboard+HD DVD Drive. You think the rest of it is gonna cost 100$ and the drive is 300$ :rofl:. Its more like the opposite. When the HD DVD addin releases, it won't be more than 100-150$. In any case, we are talking about ppl who'll buy it as a HiDef player not people who are gaming. Sony is trying to promote the console as a cheap alternative to a real bluray player. Alternative it is but definitely not cheap
.Tell me the use of an Hidef player if you don't have an HDTV :rofl:. Why buy something overtly expensive when you can do with just a cheap 30$ dvd player. By your logic, a a 3000$ NAD Master series cd player is equivalent to a 30$ samsung cd player
. Unless you are deaf or blind, there is a *huge* diff in output quality of PS2 vs a decent dvd player like the philips 5106K, let alone the higher end stuff. Its gonna be the same thing with the next version too.Cost of 60gb hard drive = 2000 rupees
cost of a bluetooth dongle = 600 rupees
That definitely doesn't justify the PS3's cost
.Count the number of ppl who have DVD players vs no of ppl who have PS2s. It'll be something like 1000:1. Since the prices are higher next gen, the ratio will only get worse.
What exactly do you mean by quality? Space yes, but a W800i/k750i has better sound quality than an ipod as well
. Thats definitely not the case here with the PS3 for sure.KingKrool said:
I think the success is inevitable. Sony isn't experimenting, it is releasing the successor to DVD's. And with standlones already in the market, backed up with the huge fanbase of Sony fanboys (those who will buy the thing even if it costs 1k$), i think Sony couldn't have found a better way to promote the thing. I may be wrong ofcourse, but Blu-Ray is just too big a release to go down that easy.
Yeah, and so? That still hardly touches my point. X360 is nextgen hi-def gaming system, plus HD if it still manages its price around the same as those of standalones i'll say its pretty damn awesome.
Fair enough. Although i still think the addon will be nowhere near the price range of 100-150, though.
That is where you are wrong.
Sony is trying to promote the cosnole as cheap alternative to a Blu-Ray player, and a high end high def gaming system.
In time, standlaones will cost anything from 500-1000$. Ps3 manages to do the same, the 600$ one has that bogus HDMI whateva', its packing a new cell technology in development for years, and a high end configuration, and is priced at a cheap, very cheap 600$.
I have both. 5106K and the Ps2. I haven't found any difference in anything. What are the elements which i should be looking for when comparing the ps2 with the 5106k?
Again, you're straying away to people who solely want hi-def system for thier HDTV's which is nowhere near the majority of people which i am discussing. And i never said those geeks will go for a Ps3.
To the general public, Ps3 WILL BE the cheapest all-round home entertainment system. Period. When Sony says 'its packing too much for its price' they mean it. People counter that many bogus ways.
Justify this -
Had to bring that up since you obviously were not getting the context i was speaking on.
And your bluetooth = rs.600 is laughable at. its Rs.600 because the PC already packs an advanced OS which can easily recieve USB data, which the dongle only converts. Ps3 will be using the architecture and logic of those in mobile phones. The BT hardware will be specificaly developed and placed in the machine for its Bluetooth function. And this will be the real BT v.2.0.
And this works way different than the dongles. Here's a tip:
Don't reply for the heck of it. M$ Employees can be pwnd by students doing highschool in tech arguments that way.
My god, that's the ratio, and yet the Ps2 managed to own 70% of the console market, and become the best selling piece of gaming hardware in history?!
If Ps3 only needs to get hardly near that ratio to win the race.
And ps2's launch price was 400$ iirc. That's only 200$ more for next-gen. Because its obviously packing much more than what the ps2 packed against Ps1.
Good job ignoring the digital cmaera comparison, and yet, you're telling an Ipod Video vs a music phone = the music phone in terms of pure music??
Blade_Runner
Forerunner
lol params stop playing the devil's advocate 
I posted about 2 really legit and serious issues Sony is facing, actually 3 now: Bad yields, price (vfm factor) and the whole lot of bad PR they've been getting offlate.
I posted about 2 really legit and serious issues Sony is facing, actually 3 now: Bad yields, price (vfm factor) and the whole lot of bad PR they've been getting offlate.- Status