Hi-Def: The Mistake That Nintendo Avoided

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WOW that was some lengthy discussion, all i'll say is im glad i got an x360 and and LCD tv just for gaming. Upgrading the PC has and will cost a hell of a lot more to me rather than just getting the games for the console
 
You guys were having mature discussion... Continue doing that... No need to turn this good thread into a flamewar... Will have to close...
 
Halo series did sell very slight more than Zelda and Marios series on Gamecube - And that was because of GC being less in numbers than Xbox.

Halo2 totally overshadowed Metroid prime2 when the two were released together and the reason for gamecube shortages was that noone was willing to even buy them anymore. Gaming stores were desperate to get rid of the thing since it was practically dead. You simply ca'nt compare the GC and xbox in terms of titles that they both recieved or their popularity.

And this coming from a gamecube owner dissapoints me.

Not just a GC owner but a Nintendo fan. As such I know that the reasons for their failure had nothing to do with lack of dvd playability. I could see as month after month went by with almost nothing coming out for the cube. It never had a chance with such a poor yield of games.

Maybe someday you too will realize that games are the most important thing to a console and not what media formats it suppports. Untill then, you will forever believe that Blu-ray is integral to the PS3's success.

PSP is trying to promote an entirely new format all by itself, entirely on its shoulders which i think is very irrational. Lets say if the UMD being seeded by other companies in their devices,

Again, why would anyone do something stupid like suppporting an inferior media format like UMD when they have DVD?

The only difference here is Ps2 entered late with the DVD while standlone established the format. Here, the Ps3 is beginning from the start on a new establishment of optical storage intended on a high global commercial use.

You're completely missing the point as always. Part of PS2's success was it's suppport for DVD media but that was only because DVD was already an established media format. The same is not true with Blu-ray.

In params7 mind, he sees everyone chucking their dvd players out the window the moment the PS3 launches and bowing down to Sony to readily accept Blu-Ray. It's not gonna happen.It will take a good many years(provided it does'nt utterly fail) before Bluray is universaly accepted and by then Bluray players will be a hell lot cheaper. So, there really is no reason for Sony to force a Bluray player down our throat right now. Once again, it's the games that are important right now and is quite evident, you do'nt need Bluray for that.
 
knowing full well that you would react. I was proved right.

So you resent down to mocking people when you can't argue? Is that where your credibility has fallen to?

Halo2 totally overshadowed Metroid prime2 when the two were released together and the reason for gamecube shortages was that noone was willing to even buy them anymore. Gaming stores were desperate to get rid of the thing since it was practically dead. You simply ca'nt compare the GC and xbox in terms of titles that they both recieved or their popularity.

*sigh*

Yes, Halo2 did overshadow MP2 at its release. But that doesn't in any way put Halo series any popular then

1. Metroid Prime

2. Super Mario Franchise

3. The Legend Of Zelda Franchise

4. Resident Evil

5. Metal Gear

6. Final Fantasy

7. Warcraft

8. Grand Theft Auto

9. And tons others, believe me.

Halo series is new. Its been around 5 yrs or so and its doing great. But saying that thee series has already surpassed the colossul popularity of couple decades old VG heroes like Mario, Wario, Luigi, Link, Zelda, Solid Snake, Sephiroth etc etc is plain foolishness. It just proves you weren't around gaming in the Snes days, because if you were, you weren't being saying that. Halo's overall popularity is hardly any better than Castlevania's to say the least. Resident Evil, Metal Gear, FF, Donkey kong, Mario, Pokemon, even James Bond and countless others have infinitely more fans than Halo series has currently. Combined sales figures since over a period of 2 decades shows that, combined with polls.

Maybe someday you too will realize that games are the most important thing to a console and not what media formats it suppports. Untill then, you will forever believe that Blu-ray is integral to the PS3's success.

Meh. I was the only person arguin how gameplay is the most important part of gaming in all the PC vs Console threads and then i have this guy slap this onto my face.

Okay -

There are two phone models in front of you. Both are excellent recievers of reception and clarity. One of them, has sidekick features like a camera, mp3 and whatnot. The other, is purely that, just a simply phone and the company entirely sells it on that purpose alone. Which one do you think will sell more?

If you can answer this, you can answer why the nOOb M$ took the lead from the legendary Nintendo out of practicaly nowhere.

In params7 mind, he sees everyone chucking their dvd players out the window the moment the PS3 launches and bowing down to Sony to readily accept Blu-Ray.

So now you'll start digging claims out of your ass. Support that statement whith quotes from my posts.

It's not gonna happen.It will take a good many years(provided it does'nt utterly fail) before Bluray is universaly accepted and by then Bluray players will be a hell lot cheaper.

That's understood. Ps3 is only a super catalyst in the success of Blu-Ray.

So, there really is no reason for Sony to force a Bluray player down our throat right now.

Marketing strategy. PLAYSTATION is the leading franchise of gaming consoles.

Sony is giving it a more mature look by calling it a computer system and making it future proof by intalling Blu-Ray.

You're just forcing yourself to hate that part. Evidently, the Nintendo fanboyism part in you must be doing that.

Once again, it's the games that are important right now and is quite evident, you do'nt need Bluray for that.

Not exactly. The maximum a commercial DVD can hold is around 9 gigs of data. God Of War on ps2 crossed 7GB.

That's ps2 - The most inferior in gaming specs this generation. Now imagine the power and structure of Ps3. Mid-term games, say around 2010 will be crossing 10gigs like nothing with extra long FMV's in high resolutions - To top it all of - Ps3 is REGION-FREE. That means multiple languages in one disk.

Go figure. Think. Post. Preview. Think. Revise. Then click Submit Reply.

@Cknish - Had to do some digging. But here it is. Subtract 14 from 257 and you have the number in millions, those are the mario fans over Halo's -

List of best-selling computer and video games - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And when the polls run in coordiantion with those figures, you just can't be proved wrong.

GameFAQs: Poll of the Day

Those were gathered 24 hrs.
 
Yes, Halo2 did overshadow MP2 at its release. But that doesn't in any way put Halo series any popular then

Popularity is purely subjective. Sales are facts. In the long run, better sales are more important. Is'nt that the point of our discussion? And does'nt better sales mean the game is more popular? Seriously, do you listen to yourself talk?

There are two phone models in front of you. Both are excellent recievers of reception and clarity. One of them, has sidekick features like a camera, mp3 and whatnot. The other, is purely that, just a simply phone and the company entirely sells it on that purpose alone. Which one do you think will sell more?

See, you understand nothing of the situation. How about considering two phones one having unneccessary extra features like a camera, mp3 that have nothing to do with telecommunication(much in line with the sony way of doing things) and the other just being a plain telephone built to do what it's suppposed to. Suppose the latter phone had a provider that had horrible coverage while the other offered excellent coverage thoughout India. Which would you choose?

Obviously you would choose the first phone since it offers much more in regards to actual telephony. Not because it offers mp3,camera and whatever.

That's understood. Ps3 is only a super catalyst in the success of Blu-Ray.

Too bad a catalyst is useless without the actual ingredients,eh?

PLAYSTATION is the leading franchise of gaming consoles.

A postion that they could easily lose. Plus marketing a new media format is a lot diffrent from marketing a new game or a new console. They failed the last time they tried that with the UMD. There is too much riding on a new media format and noone besides Sony is dumb enough to risk so much on it.

Evidently, the Nintendo fanboyism part in you must be doing that

The same way the sony fanboy in you is forcing you to love that part?
Now imagine the power and structure of Ps3. Mid-term games, say around 2010 will be crossing 10gigs like nothing with extra long FMV's in high resolutions

The keyword being 2010 which is still a good 3 1/2 years away. Way to prove my point. Is'nt that also why Sony is forcing all developers to use Bluray now when DVD would suffice?

To top it all of - Ps3 is REGION-FREE. That means multiple languages in one disk.

Are you even aware how games are made? In japan, first the japanese version is made and then released across Japan. Months later, the english version is made and then distributed throughout the world. I highly doubt this trend will change with Bluray.American developers themselves rarely release games in any language apart from english itself(especially if it involves a lot of spoken dialogues). How many people do you see making good use of multiple languages. Very few, I'd say.
 
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Popularity is purely subjective. Sales are facts. In the long run, better sales are more important. Is'nt that the point of our discussion? And does'nt better sales mean the game is more popular? Seriously, do you listen to yourself talk?

Listen to myself talk?

Ck Nish said:
What are you on about? Halo and Halo2 surpassed anything on the gc in terms of popularity.

I'm just getting some facts straightened out in you which you blindly keep trolling.

Since you have instantly changed the focus from popularity to sales in hopes of perhaps winning the argument....

(combined)

Mario (257.3 million)

Halo (14.2 million)

There. More?

(Gamecube vs Xbox, combiend mario franchise sales vs Halo series combined sales)

Super Smash Bros. Melee (6.05 million)

+Mario Kart: Double Dash!! (6.01 million)

+Super Mario Sunshine (5.56 million)

+Luigi's Mansion (3.27 million)

+Mario Party 4 (2.43 million)

+Mario Party 5 (2.01 million)

+Mario Party 6 (1.54 million)

+Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (1.51 million)

+Mario Party 7 (1.19 million)

+Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour (1.30 million)

+Super Mario Strikers (1.01 million)

+Mario Power Tennis (1.13 million)

That's entire Mario franchise on Gamecube sales vs Xbox's Halo's -

* Halo 2 (7.75 million)

* Halo: Combat Evolved (6.61 million)

Do the math, post who wins.

Too bad a catalyst is useless without the actual ingredients,eh?

....

What? o_O

What i meant was, over a perioid of time, Ps3 is the perfect machine in which to promote the Blu-Ray. over a period of say 5 years after its releases, it'll be a household ambition to own it.

A postion that they could easily lose. Plus marketing a new media format is a lot diffrent from marketing a new game or a new console. They failed the last time they tried that with the UMD. There is too much riding on a new media format and noone besides Sony is dumb enough to risk so much on it.

You don't get much do you? I figure you must be at the bottom of your class.

I'll repeat what i posted last time since you so much love to ignore, rather dodge people's points to make your stubborn argument fit, i'll do this only once :

UMD was a failure because its being promoted on PSP alone. UMD to top it all of is a weak candidate against the DVD.

Blu-Ray, is big. Most of the Holloywood is supporting it, Music companies supporting it, Companies already taking initiations to launch their lineup of Blu-Ray. What more support could you ask for? This is miles apart from the promotion of the UMD solely on PSP.

The same way the sony fanboy in you is forcing you to love that part?

From the looks of it, i've been supporting everything for Nintendo with statistics. You're basing it all on your estimations which were so flawed, jebus just wept.

The keyword being 2010 which is still a good 3 1/2 years away. Way to prove my point. Is'nt that also why Sony is forcing all developers to use Bluray now when DVD would suffice?

That's it - If you don't quote my posts directly and troll like a blind imbecile, i might as well just turn on my ignore mode for you.

DVD would suffice? ALL major movies since the last year, are taking 7gb+ on DVD's. HECK, film box sets are being released in the sets of TWO DISKS, one for just the movie which alone takes 90% of the disks couple with trailers of upcoming movies, and 2nd entirely for extra features. God Of War was more than 7gb's. The size was becoming such an issue, that developers compressed all data to around 4-5gb, making loading times very long. What better a time, you tell me Smartypants, is to introduce a new format?

And by 2010, a point only barely halfway in Ps3's life, DVD's will be becoming increasingly difficult to handle *blink* N64 Cartridges *blink*

So? Sony being smarter, made Ps3 future proof. Since Ps3 is at least supposed to be there for a period of 5-8 years, Blu-Ray and the need for next-gen media with more capacity will be needed. if going noly by DVD, they would have to be dual layered double sided increasing the size to 18gigs. And then its handeling will become to cumbersome for customers, and that also means no design prints on the disks, although a minor point, but still.

Are you even aware how games are made? In japan, first the japanese version is made and then released across Japan. Months later, the english version is made and then distributed throughout the world. I highly doubt this trend will change with Bluray.American developers themselves rarely release games in any language apart from english itself(especially if it involves a lot of spoken dialogues). How many people do you see making good use of multiple languages. Very few, I'd say.

Wow, so, multiple languages which are abundant in popular games such as Black and Re4 will be extint and the only dominating languages will be English and Japaneses, not only that, your point totaly contradicts Sony 'Region Free'.

Its quite obvious, if not to your thick skull, that multiple languages will be there, region free doesn't mean pulling the brakes of languages and leaving the french and dutches for english classes just so they can play videogames.

And that means more data in one disk. And that means, a need for a storage capacity much higher than a DVD, and that means, blu-ray.

Are you even aware how games are made? In japan, first blah blah....

Sony is going out there and changing the system of all regional restrictions on Blu-Ray games. What makes you think they can't change the system the way games are developed in different languages?
 
Params7, you still don't understand.

So you resent down to mocking people when you can't argue? Is that where your credibility has fallen to?

It is not about not being able to argue. I never wanted to argue. Look at who started the thread. Me.

Do you know why I started it?

Certainly wasn't so we could have a mature discussion (as Switch thought we were having)

It was purely for entertainment value.

Halo series is new. Its been around 5 yrs or so and its doing great. But saying that thee series has already surpassed the colossul popularity of couple decades old VG heroes like Mario, Wario, Luigi, Link, Zelda, Solid Snake, Sephiroth etc etc is plain foolishness. It just proves you weren't around gaming in the Snes days, because if you were, you weren't being saying that. Halo's overall popularity is hardly any better than Castlevania's to say the least. Resident Evil, Metal Gear, FF, Donkey kong, Mario, Pokemon, even James Bond and countless others have infinitely more fans than Halo series has currently. Combined sales figures since over a period of 2 decades shows that, combined with polls.

I agree with that.

Popularity is purely subjective. Sales are facts. In the long run, better sales are more important. Is'nt that the point of our discussion? And does'nt better sales mean the game is more popular? Seriously, do you listen to yourself talk?

I agree with that too.
 
Seems like params will never stop defending the PS3. Let me ask you one thing, did you even read the article Kingkrool posted?
 
hunt3r said:
Seems like params will never stop defending the PS3. Let me ask you one thing, did you even read the article Kingkrool posted?

Yup i did. All it said was how the majority of the population hardly has Hi-def stuff and then Ps3 will practicaly be useless to them. But i think its too early to judge Ps3's sales as of now. That's all, and if you have a problem with what i'm saying, mind quoting the stuff you find wrong in my posts instead of trying to make a lone and useless stand just for the heck of it?
 
^^And even after reading it, you still claim it will sell because of blu-ray. Theres too much stuff to quote and frankly not worth wasting my time over.
 
hunt3r said:
^^And even after reading it, you still claim it will sell because of blu-ray.

Not exactly. That article wasn't written by God you know. Things change, and i see the transition to Blu-Ray happening much quicker than the article claims. And read my posts, i'm basing Ps3's sale on the simple fact that its next-gen+future proof for movies and all for 600$ and launch price which will only go lower as years pass and blu-ray deepens.

Theres too much stuff to quote and frankly not worth wasting my time over.

Objection!
 
@hunt3r --- You cant actually take that article as your bible.... it is just one of the other hundreds which debate the future of the PS3. That writer is entitled to his opinion, you to yours and Params to his. Dont just stamp on someone on the basis of the article and that guy goes against the article.

Not exactly. That article wasn't written by God you know.

Exactly !!!
 
params7 said:
Not exactly. That article wasn't written by God you know.
Thats a very poor argument you know ;). Similarly a counter argument could be the makers of ps3 aren't god you know and they can falter as well which some people simply refuse to accept.
 
Blade_Runner said:
Thats a very poor argument you know ;). Similarly a counter argument could be the makers of ps3 aren't god you know and they can falter as well which some people simply refuse to accept.

I countered the article by stating i see the transition to blu-ray happening much quicker than the article claims. The article says people will not buy Ps3 because it has BLu-Ray which only people with HDTV's will buy which are very low in percentage. I think that's wrong. People will buy Ps3 even with their normal TV's.

in any case, it was written by just a person. And no its noy perfect in any way. People will only chose to follow the bible until god comes down and proves everything. Similiarly, only esitamations can be made, that we can either chose to except, if not, counter it with our own views and that exactly what i've been doing in this thread. So until Ps3 comes and frankly by the last quarter of 2k8, no article is god.
 
Nikhil said:
@hunt3r --- You cant actually take that article as your bible.... it is just one of the other hundreds which debate the future of the PS3. That writer is entitled to his opinion, you to yours and Params to his. Dont just stamp on someone on the basis of the article and that guy goes against the article.

Im not basing my arguements on the article. Nor am i saying the PS3 will be a failure. Im looking at all the news, the high cost number one. Even in their home market Japan the response is not very encouraging.The lukewarm response by game developers and complaints over costs and complexity of programming for it. All the hardware problems Sony are facing and well one more point will probably be high cost of games. Theyre probably going to increase game prices further for the PS3 games. I state again that im not saying that the PS3 will be a failure. All im saying is, the PS3 wont be the greatest thing since sliced bread as params is making it out to be and that it wont sell just because of Blu-ray.
 
hunt3r said:
All im saying is, the PS3 wont be the greatest thing since sliced bread as params is making it out to be and that it wont sell just because of Blu-ray.

I don't think you people get what he means...
he never said that it will sell only because of the blu ray player...
he only says that blu ray will be an added value...

Eventually the Console with the best games wins...Lets just wait and see...

Hi def is defnitely a big thing in Japan, the US and EU...The future games would have better, bigger details and they would need the space of the bray discs to accomodate all the files...so blu ray is a necessity for the PS3...a risk worth taking. (their problem will only be the rumoured low yields)

Nintendo however can live without them cauze their games are packed with innovative gameplay rather than cutting edge graphics...
 
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