High Electricty Consumption ... What can be done

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superczar said:
Anyway, a typical home will always have a few bulbs/fans and other non switching supply based devices, so a straight correlation between power consuption and voltage

also, even for your PC, your SMPS would dissipate extra heat so still a correlation between higher voltages and higher power consumption ...
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You are absolute right about the first part but the second part is not quite right.
The SMPS works on a PWM principle and therefore, the input current decreases almost as an inverse proportion to the supply voltage, maintaining the input power essentially constant for a given load. The actual variation in input power is caused by two effects; switching and static losses. The two losses move in opposite directions with change in voltage.
Measurements on SMPS I did years ago showed the losses balance each other over almost the entire usable input voltage range. But that was with the half-bridge design common in those days (mid-80s). The losses do go up significantly near the low voltage end for a different reason. That accounted for what we used to call low voltage brown-out in SMPS.

In any case, this entire discussion is purely academic and I don't see it having any bearing on Puns' problem.
 
Dude,

Any one of you check the bill date (bill for the month)?

I seen that some time they charge for 15 days, don't get chance to view the bill thoroughly but I think for 15 days bill, they charge rental for Whole Month?

Check last 3 months bill and you will simply find something fishy?
 
^^ stop being paranoid stick.....you think a public utility company would do something so outright silly on paper?
 
Stabilizers are a waste of money atleast for people in south mumbai area since the supply is is of international standards.
the reaction time of stabilizers (NOT CVT's) is too high for any "protection" against "dirty" power supply (brown outs / high voltage pulse) typically encountered in residential areas (with a decent supply grid for e.g. in south mumbai) especially protection for sensitive electronic items since by the time the stabilizer "reacts" the damage has already being done since typically these dirty power conditions like High Voltage spikes etc have a short duration of micro ~ milli seconds.

The Lift / Elevator motors , your friendly neighbourhood welder / garage, any high inductive load device for e.g. high hp motors in the same supply line / circuit is the cause of generating "dirty" power conditions.

stabilizers are useful in chronic power problems areas (funnily called "Load Shedding"), which is true for the rest of the country.

High voltage supply will make the bulbs glow brighter (that i understand) but how will it make a fan rotate faster (since the RPM of the ac supply motor is controlled by the supply frequency) this i fail to understand.(ps: i am an uneducated guy in these matters)

Another practical TIP: avoid using cheap quality "electronic" ceiling fan regulator / controller in the same line as ur pc. under some "rare" circumstances, the high frequency pulse generated by it will trip the pc psu resulting in reboot or shut down of the pc every time the ceiling fan regulator is used or the fan is switched on / off.

and now for my trade mark humourous advice(not to be taken seriously or literally): puns, just take the supply from the meter of ur "friendly enemy" in the building and all ur higher electricity bill problem will be solved. ;)

or incase there are lots of motors in ur house install appropiate amount of capacitors for power factor correction. (typical and standard advice for industrial use)
 
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superczar said:
^^ stop being paranoid stick.....you think a public utility company would do something so outright silly on paper?
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:(

I have bill which calculate from 27-12-2006 to 24-01-2007 as per me it is for 29 days.

While Rs.200/- rental (for commercial premises) REL charge is for One Month (average 30 days).

Rs.200 per month, Rs.6.66 per day, now see how many customers they have in Mumbai/Thane and Delhi (assuming they do same with all). Say min. 2 crores.

so How much extra they get : 200,00000 x 6.66=13,32,00,000

Sorry if is sound dumbo and have some errors, thankful to you all if you will make me correct.:)
 
Electricity bill is calculated accordingly to Watts of power consumed. Its not dependent on voltage and current. An appliance works in a specific range of voltage and draws current according to requirement.
 
can someone help me with this problem:

While I use my PC ,the power consumption is high!heck!the led indicator is blinking almost every 3-5 sec!:( .while we have this 230litre frost-free fridge which is not sucking this much power!even the motor pump(from well) does not!

What can be the reason?Should I check the PC ?I have a 15" CRT(old) which I am still using.Will that be a reason?.

also ,when I switch off power from the power socket and have the PC running in UPS ,the Electricity meter has its earth leakage indicator glow!.so ,if I switch off PC ,there is not Earth Leakage indicator shown in the meter.Is it for sure something with PC wiring?Should I need to check the wiring inside ,OR..is it with the Old CRT monitor(which was repaired a few times-soldered etc etc-even it flickers sometimes!).
 
No one's used V^2 / R for Energy calculations ! I am surprised ! For constant voltage supplies, and for appliances with constant resistances (bulbs, hot plate), this is the formula to be used. So as you can see, the more the voltage, the more the power consumed (increase is quadratic). This is all I can think using physics :P . But real scenario always differ from theory so you can add that error to the calculations :P

Ahh the good ol' school / college days !

Cheers !

~M
 
guys i have a question when u measure current or amps via multimeter can i test the amps of the UPS ,will there be any issues since ,the multimeter manual does say that all capacitors must be discharged also can i test the SMPS ,it again has big capacitors.
i had no problem checking the amp consumption of my lcd and crt tv,so is it safe to test a UPS considering it has a battery?.

BTW my 32inch sony tv consumes only 58watts at backlight settings to minimum this includes the power consumption of stabilizer.anyway my big tv STB consumes 7.8watts,and was suprised to see that the sony lcds standby power consumption was less then big tv STB standy by power.
 
Well i just gave my Class XII Physics board exams yesterday.N all this is f#@$ing making me depressed.

I mean, i have studied this stupid subject for years now and this stupid ultra-retarded education system of ours hasn't taught me enough to calculate how a change in voltage will effect my power consumption.

I mean i hell know all the formulas but the practical application just ain't there.I know Power is directly proportional to Voltage square but that does not really help here as there are a lot of things which also need considerations. I know how a rectifier, amplifier and all that sh!t works but not how it affects the bloody equipments we use and our power bill as in this very case.

I am really looking forward to the result so that i can get some knowledge as compared to the tonnes of crap they teach us at school.
 
LOL.. i didn't see the dates when posting, just read it through.

Sorry Switch!!!

EDIT: BTW, what's the point of keeping old threads if they aren't supposed to be bumped.If you don't want them bumped then just do something such that a thread which receives no new posts for say 60 days is locked automatically.
 
install additional meter and distribute the load amongst them

this way the higher charge slab won't be reached early
 
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