Superbad
Skilled
How social media birthed a strange new phenomenon in India, the bhakts
- Thread starter Lord Nemesis
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Party Monger
Skilled
You're like the poster boy for this thread. Bhak-in-chief.
Incase someone wants a live demonstration of what a bhakt and bhakt-logic looks like, this is exactly it.
Incase someone wants a live demonstration of what a bhakt and bhakt-logic looks like, this is exactly it.
Superbad
Skilled
Expected reply
When there's no reply/justification to their own actions, comes the rhetoric.
:yawn:
Party Monger
Skilled
What rhetoric? You comparing the Prime Minister to an individual. Can you get more retarded? Ask him to leave his post and click as many selfies as he wants or hell he and raghu ram can do it together. Who cares as long as he doesnt hold a position where he is expected to do real work instead of clicking selfies. LOL
Superbad
Skilled
He wasn't clicking selfies with the daughters.
He didn't force anyone to click selfies with their daughters.
Whatever he asked, people have the right to participate or not. Even criticise him.
But if one believes criticism is welcome, it should happen both ways.
And also there's no point in criticism for the sake of criticism if you can't suggest an alternative to improve.
Some people get clouded towards hate of certain individuals that anything that person does becomes object of criticism sans rationale.
Party Monger
Skilled
Oh darling. Criticism doesnt work both ways. One is the PM. He can be criticized by the whole nation. Other are just people doing their own thing, they arent subject to your criticism. Just one of the finer things about being a Democracy. Now do you get it? Probably not.
Instead of the Prime Minister taking concrete steps, he asks people to take selfies. Its ridiculously stupid with zero effect on real situation. Do tell how cuh female infanticide has reduced by clicking selfies with daughters? Or how its changed the mindset in lower income groups who probably dont even own a camera phone. Be as delusional as you want. But keep your brilliant justifications to yourself and your group of bhats.. Dont make a joke out of yourself by saying this bullshit in public. I'd criticize Raghu Ram too if he was a public official incharge of doing stuff and had made tall promises like Modi.
Modi is like someone who promised a buffet and now he's asking you to take selfies with your own food and be happy. LOL And you bhakts for some reason want to support this miserable jerk.
Superbad
Skilled
feels wonderful hearing this from an AAP supporter.
too bad they cant practice that themselves in their own organisation let alone give unsolicited advice to others.
The fact that selfie with duaghers came from a person who left his family and wife to discover and win life.
More ridiculously, Rahul Gandhi always harping about youth.
Crass attempts of petty vote bank politics from higher ups and nothing else. People will listen and judge the way they like it.
More ridiculously, Rahul Gandhi always harping about youth.
Crass attempts of petty vote bank politics from higher ups and nothing else. People will listen and judge the way they like it.
Party Monger
Skilled
Awww look at you. Now that you have absolutely nothing to contradict me with, you quickly give me the colour of "competitor" and try to save face.
This is another stupid bhakt tactic. When someone makes complete sense, and you bhakts cant contradict them with stupid logic or fake photoshopped pics or just abuse them, then you just call them- AAP supporter or Congress supporter. That apparently according to you numbnuts is a good retort. This is why BJP got its ass handed to it.
When someone explains EXACTLY what is wrong while criticizing, it doesn't matter who they support. You have to reply with LOGIC. When you say stuff like 'Oh they are AAP supporters' you have lost all your credibility instantly. Hence the name Bhakts! Logic and reasoning don't compute for your guys. Your supreme leader's d!ck is your salvation.
ryanrulez4ever
ex-Mod
Crapmypants
Adept
my 2 cents.
trolls, bhakts and the like i manage to ignore (actually i pity them) but what really annoys me is when some people behave like complete hooligans and claim they're being 'Indian'.
since when did throwing things and being exceptionally abusive become an 'Indian' thing? (not to mention xenophobia)
trolls, bhakts and the like i manage to ignore (actually i pity them) but what really annoys me is when some people behave like complete hooligans and claim they're being 'Indian'.
since when did throwing things and being exceptionally abusive become an 'Indian' thing? (not to mention xenophobia)
ryanrulez4ever
ex-Mod
@Lord Nemesis My comment was more directed at the fact that Chetan Bhagat is probably not the best one to write the comments that he did. As I said before, I do not have time for trolls and generally would not get into an argument/worry too much about what they say or do. These topics are polarizing and once can argue on the same for ages so I would not waste virtual space writing about the same. While I do believe that a selfie is probably a PR campaign, I would try to give in this case Modi the benefit of the doubt and see what he actually does on the ground in the remaining 4 years. Ideally you would want a perfect politician but such a species do not exist, so for now the nation has to choose between the okay and the hopeless.
p.s. The internet masks one's true identity and hence I believe it is easy for people to jump in and abuse people whom they disagree with. That is an unacceptable practice and it is true for folks irrespective of their political leanings.
However, I personally do disagree with the idea that to be modern you have to taunt, insult and abuse any Hindu at the first possible opportunity. I see the english media doing it all the time, personally which annoys me.
Peace - just my 2 cents.
chetansha
Skilled
Superbad
Skilled
http://amishra77.org/2015/07/31/defence-of-yakub-and-contempt-for-social-media/
Pratap Bhanu Mehta, writing in the Indian Express, has expressed his contemptuous disgust at those who express their views in social media. The context in the immediate case – the hanging of Yakub Memon, one of the key masterminds of the dastardly 1993 Mumbai bombings that killed 257 people and injured hundreds more. Yakub Memon was hanged after he was given recourse to every conceivable legal option.
The sagely Mehta though did not stop at merely expressing his disgust at social media. He had words of advice for other too. But before we delve into the social media arguments of Mehta, consider a snapshot of the screaming, front page, headline in the Indian Express on the same day that Mehta’s article was published.
So, in an irony which would have been supremely funny, were it not so fraught with frightening consequences, the newspaper with which Mehta has been associated for almost a decade now, and the paper he chose to dispense his advise from, does exactly what Mehta accuses others of doing.
Front page, double-bold screaming headline is telling a group of people that “They” hanged Yakub. Who is “they”? The Supreme Court of India or the victims of Yakub’s diabolical plot? Or could it be that the constitutional system of India is “they”?
And every “they” implies the existence of a “we”. Who is “we”? The only people who may legitimately consider Yakub as “we” are the plotters of 1993 – Dawood Ibrahim, Tiger Memon and of course the Pakistani intelligence, the ISI. Who else is “we” in reference to Yakub as per the Indian Express?
Now consider what Mehta had to say about institutions in his article:
“Institutions are not considered mediators of conflict or truth. They are weapons in a partisan battle.”
Perhaps Mehta is right. Institutions are indeed weapons in a partisan battle. Clearly Mehta was thinking of the institution of media and the Indian Express too, which has taken considered view of who is “they” and who is “we”.
The Express does not stop at merely this. Just consider this para in a front page report, again in Indian Express, and again on the same day that Mehta thought it fit to advice one and all, about the Yakub hanging:
The Express, in a front page story, is seeding an idea in the minds of people who may not even have considered it – that the burial of Yakub is not to be treated as a closure but the starting of something !
Now consider another advice that Mehta offered in his article:
“The case has opened raw wounds, but in a way that is going to be politically explosive.”
Perhaps Mehta was right again that the Yakub case will open raw wounds. After all, the Express itself is planting those explosive thoughts in the minds of people.
Finally, let us return to the contempt that Mehta had for social media:
“Social media managed to create the postmodern equivalent of a medieval lynch mob, an almost cowardly but Talibanesque hounding of anyone who disagreed with the hanging.”
One of the things about social media is that it is free and open to everyone. There has been no other example of such a medium in the past where everyone could become a publisher and broadcaster of views without having to go through an intermediary. In every other form of mass dissemination, be it in print or TV, there is an intermediary, who is gloriously called an Editor but could also be referred to as a middleman, between the consumer of views (the reader) and the originator of ideas. Even if we dispense the other dubious connotations that are associated with middlemen, the ideological and belief systems of the middleman (in this case the Editor) would still play a very important factor in what gets printed in his or her newspaper. To consider an analogy, would I post on my Twitter timeline, views and articles which do not subscribe to my world-view?
The one medium which dispenses completely with middlemen, in the realm of ideas, is social media. It allows a free and fair play of every kind of idea and the best ideas over time build their own place in the market. Indeed, just as free markets do away with the controlled crony-socialism, social media has potential to do away with the controlled crony-intellectualism. Therefore the contempt that Mehta has for social media, on the broad level, is interesting.
In the immediate context, those on the side of hanging of a terrorist, convicted after the due process, are described as cowardly. One presumes that this is in juxtaposition to the “brave” people who appeared on Television debates arguing in favour of Memon? If so inclined, one could ask many questions, those one-line rebuttals, to Mehta. Like, which kind of free democracy should allow speech only to the “brave” elite people and deprive the same to “cowardly” normal citizens? Or why should not everyone use all the platforms they can access, to voice their views? A few dozen “brave” activists had access to TV studios where they could cast aspersions of men of integrity, who had devoted their life to fighting terrorism, either by facing bullets themselves or by investigating terror crimes in face of extreme danger. Why should then ordinary, millions of “cowardly” Indians also not have a voice on a medium they could access, to express opinion on what they thought of a terrorist?
Or one could simply tell Mehta another truism about social media. There is an innate sense of decency in people, be in real-life or on social media. They abhor extremes. Additionally, since social media is free and a battle of ideas, people invariably coalesce around the ideas they like and the people who propound those ideas. The self correcting nature of social media ensures that sensible people invariably shun those who talk in the extremes. After all, who wants to be seen being associated with those who incite and provoke? That is why those who consistently talk in the extremes, on any side, have rarely more than a few thousand followers, if at all.
I suspect this is true in real-life as well. That is why, perhaps, the Indian Express has the subscription numbers which would make even a newbie on social media, with barely few thousand followers, blush in the comparison of plenty. As on social media, I suspect in real-life too, people have taken a view after reading the content on the front page and opinion pages of the Express and taken a view as to who do they want to subscribe to and who not to. Of course, unlike social media, there is one major difference. Mehta continues to be associated with the Indian Express.
ryanrulez4ever
ex-Mod