Hypocrisy of Firefox [Mozilla Corporation]

Ramadhir Singh

Ramadhir Singh

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What they says :
Firefox has always been more than just a browser – it’s a movement powered by those who believe in choice, privacy, and transparency.
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Source: https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/13/mozillas_firefox_browser/

What they Actually do:
Mozilla has added special software co-authored by Meta and built for the advertising industry directly to the latest release of Firefox, in an experimental trial you have to opt out of manually.
This "Privacy-Preserving Attribution" (PPA) API adds another tool to the arsenal of tracking features that advertisers can use, which is thwarted by traditional content blocking extensions.
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Source (out of many out there) :- https://www.privacyguides.org/articles/2024/07/14/mozilla-disappoints-us-yet-again-2/

These bugges, Mozilla Foundation, taking money under the table from google, facebook, microsoft, and god knows who else, and calling themselves non-profit organization and white knight of privacy.
 
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Ramadhir Singh said:
These bugges, Mozilla Foundation, taking money under the table from google, facebook, microsoft, and god knows who else, and calling themselves non-profit organization and white knight of privacy.
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nope, they have always been transparent about it, without Google and others, Mozilla simply wont exist, they cant function as a org without funds, and Google pays a pretty large chunk of it, mainly because of regulatory reasons and while yeah, this is a bit scummy, you can make it moot with Ublock Origin, besides they desperately need another source of revenue stream, because if Google ever pulls out of funding them, they'll collapse like a sand

Go look under the finances section to see how precarious the situation truly is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation
 
altair21 said:
nope, they have always been transparent about it, without Google and others, Mozilla simply wont exist, they cant function as a org without funds, and Google pays a pretty large chunk of it, mainly because of regulatory reasons and while yeah, this is a bit scummy, you can make it moot with Ublock Origin, besides they desperately need another source of revenue stream, because if Google ever pulls out of funding them, they'll collapse like a sand

Go look under the finances section to see how precarious the situation truly is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation
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I'm sorry that my post is not making sense to you, and you certainly not getting my point.
 
Ramadhir Singh said:
What they says :

Source: https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/13/mozillas_firefox_browser/

What they Actually do:

Source (out of many out there) :- https://www.privacyguides.org/articles/2024/07/14/mozilla-disappoints-us-yet-again-2/

These bugges, Mozilla Foundation, taking money under the table from google, facebook, microsoft, and god knows who else, and calling themselves non-profit organization and white knight of privacy.
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If you have the knowledge to not use Chrome, Edge or anything Chromium based, then you wouldn't use Firefox as it is. Use Libre Wolf instead.

Having said so, it has never been under the table as the partnership with Google was open, for being the default search engine.

Also, they bought the ad firm developed by ex-Meta employees and publicly announced the same, which is not an actual software from Meta.

blog.mozilla.org

Mozilla Welcomes Anonym: Privacy Preserving Digital Advertising | The Mozilla Blog

Mozilla has acquired Anonym, a trailblazer in privacy-preserving digital advertising. This strategic acquisition enables Mozilla to help raise the bar for
blog.mozilla.org blog.mozilla.org
 
Ramadhir Singh said:
I'm sorry that my post is not making sense to you, and you certainly not getting my point.
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and I'm really sorry that mine is not getting to you, browsers are not a simple piece of tech, specially browser engines, there's a reason why Google has the monopoly over it (simply because they are the only ones throwing money at it)
unless you'd rather be stuck with chromium based browsers (including brave) where ad blockers simply wont function now, I suggest you either research more about it than quoting an article from July or start putting your money where you mouth it and donate to Mozilla, you want privacy? I absolutely support that, I am the same but if you want privacy and you want it for free? then yeah, we both would love it but unfortunately there's no such thing as a free lunch in the world and it is what it is.

P.S. go check your firefox settings and search for "Web Site Advertising Preferences", you'll see its disabled by default, the only backlash against them was not for implementing PPA, but rather the way they communicated the change and opted users in.
t3chg33k said:
If you have the knowledge to not use Chrome, Edge or anything Chromium based, then you wouldn't use Firefox as it is. Use Libre Wolf instead.

Having said so, it has never been under the table as the partnership with Google was open, for being the default search engine.

Also, they bought the ad firm developed by ex-Meta employees and publicly announced the same, which is not an actual software from Meta.

blog.mozilla.org

Mozilla Welcomes Anonym: Privacy Preserving Digital Advertising | The Mozilla Blog

Mozilla has acquired Anonym, a trailblazer in privacy-preserving digital advertising. This strategic acquisition enables Mozilla to help raise the bar for
blog.mozilla.org blog.mozilla.org
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you dont even need to do this. just install ublock origin, Libre is good but a lot of QoL features are missing in it.
 
altair21 said:
and I'm really sorry that mine is not getting to you, browsers are not a simple piece of tech, specially browser engines, there's a reason why Google has the monopoly over it (simply because they are the only ones throwing money at it)
unless you'd rather be stuck with chromium based browsers (including brave) where ad blockers simply wont function now, I suggest you either research more about it than quoting an article from July or start putting your money where you mouth it and donate to Mozilla, you want privacy? I absolutely support that, I am the same but if you want privacy and you want it for free? then yeah, we both would love it but unfortunately there's no such thing as a free lunch in the world and it is what it is.

P.S. go check your firefox settings and search for "Web Site Advertising Preferences", you'll see its disabled by default, the only backlash against them was not for implementing PPA, but rather the way they communicated the change and opted users in.

you dont even need to do this. just install ublock origin, Libre is good but a lot of QoL features are missing in it.
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The extensions don't bypass the telemetry settings. Anyway I still use Firefox for sync but the first thing I always do is turn off all telemetry and data sharing settings.
 
Don't think it was under the table. Mozilla earns close to 600 million dollars a year. The CEO takes home a salary of 6.9 million dollars. Majority of that 600 million is from google for making Google the default search engine. With the recent ruling from Dept of Justice (Aug 2024) Google can no longer pay Firefox for being the default search engine. They tried different products but nothing worked except for the VPN service but its no where near earning from Google.

KDE Plasma development runs on a budget of like 600,000 USD. Canonical (Ubuntu) has a revenue of 250 million USD and a profit of 7-8 million USD which is same as salary of mozilla ceo :joycat:. Both are far more complex than firefox in my opinion. You don't need 600 million dollars a year to run a browser which is non profit. Whatever is happening needs to happen. Thunderbird technically already separated from firefox and gets its revenue separately, a majority is from donations. Thunderbird is doing just fine. The fat of mozilla needs to be trimmed.

Disclaimer: I still use firefox but you need to configure it. For example DNS over https
 
More and more browsers going the wrong way.
I feel like, end of the day, we just have to forget about privacy and move on. Atleast that is what companies expect us to do.
Privacy is going zero and I don't think majority even care for it going forward.
 
Ssreek said:
More and more browsers going the wrong way.
I feel like, end of the day, we just have to forget about privacy and move on. Atleast that is what companies expect us to do.
Privacy is going zero and I don't think majority even care for it going forward.
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  • Depending on what I am doing privacy settings needs change. If I am shopping I am using Chrome as I want the tracking to check multiple sites and prices.
  • Normal browsing I use Firefox but it needs to be configured properly.
  • I have mullvad browser as well.
  • And good old Tor when I need a bit more privacy.
  • A quick burner VM with VPN on would be another way to guard your privacy. WSL and Hyper-V in windows makes it a lot easier to setup a quick VM.
Your privacy is your own business and configuration only now. Zero trust in any software should be the first assumption.
 
Ssreek said:
More and more browsers going the wrong way.
I feel like, end of the day, we just have to forget about privacy and move on. Atleast that is what companies expect us to do.
Privacy is going zero and I don't think majority even care for it going forward.
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unless you are willing to go back to 2010-levels of convenience privacy is indeed a myth, a lot of peeps on reddit who'll chest thump about something like Apple ecosystem, Google etc are the same ones who cry about privacy, not realizing all of these features that they are crowing about indeed comes at a loss of privacy. like you are literally relying on big corpo's conscience if you rely on services like that, if you really want to be private, then you need to forego almost everything that you have taken for granted these days, thats the simple truth of it
 
Moral of the story is, there is no privacy, not just from private players but also from govt side.

Even if somehow one manages to use different browsers and settings (except VPN, which is again different issue), you are still tracked through ip address.
 
Ssreek said:
Moral of the story is, there is no privacy, not just from private players but also from govt side.

Even if somehow one manages to use different browsers and settings (except VPN, which is again different issue), you are still tracked through ip address.
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exactly, most peeps even here, dont even know just how much they'll need to forego for privacy and even then it'll not be a 100%
 
FF lost trustworthiness much earlier, but when they acquired Pocket, made the product inbuilt was the day they proved how disingenuous they are. FF should've added it as a fully uninstallable extension during installation itself.
Ensuing theories about that product, whether truth or conspiracy laden, discouraged people from using FF.
Started using Palemoon and now on LibreWolf from LW's initial days after that, from a person who started using their browser from it's initial alpha days.
With their legacy and attitude, feel bad for those who trusted FF's VPN offer.
 
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Since last 6 months found Brave Browser fail to load various site/pages, I clean install it many times and it works, but now yesterday just within 24hrs. of clean install, sites that were working ok, stops responding to Brave.
 
from firefox's FAQ :p
see the erroneous claims #1 & #4.

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Emperor said:
Since last 6 months found Brave Browser fail to load various site/pages, I clean install it many times and it works, but now yesterday just within 24hrs. of clean install, sites that were working ok, stops responding to Brave.
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back in days when i used ungoogled chrome in w7, use to face similar. i had to go in registry and delete few things and/or create new profile.
see this this is helpful for you - https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/fix-chrome-not-working-windows-10/ (this is the nearest im able to find online)
t3chg33k said:
Unlike Google, Firefox data is collected internally but not sold, much like Apple.
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not sold man, shared with partners.
if meta/facebook co-authoring something you can guess :P

t3chg33k said:
Mozilla foundation which backs Firefox is not for profit. Mozilla Corporation is not.
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this trick as as old as magician taking out rabbit from their hat.
recently pulled out when rebranding facebook to meta, google to alphabets. while is nothing wrong or unethical but they must not claim otherwise. they are not EFF.
Chrome also says they respect your privacy and data - https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/14225066?hl=en

Almost all browser does some or other thing for revenue sources, but they dont misguide as much as ff does.
example Brave it was supported bu google&fb in pre-seed, and they are backed by few of the questionable company, and integrated crypto , etc but still they are better protecting user prvacy and not making a backdoor for advertisers and labeling it something else.

All need money, i absolutely get it. Even proton is starting its crypto wallet and what not.
But if chota fanta directs a bulldozer towards our house claiming to build us a home, everyone knows what is the expected result.

altair21 said:
no point, its chromium based hence has the same manifest v3 issue where ad blockers wont work
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if chromium on windows, then Egde makes the most sense.
 
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