I know many threads but Need new earphones under rs600 - cant decide - help!

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-Need new earphones that i will use with my htc phone and my mts phone both having a standard 3.5mm jack

-Would also use it with my computer

Type : In-ear

Must have : Loud Sound and Noise reduction - its the most important - i want them to block max possible outside noise

Price : Under rs 600 strictly.

Preference : Overall music quality - i am not an audiophile so i have no idea abt bass and other technical terms - all i want it should be LOUD and sound good :)
Thanks!
 
Philips SHE3580 400/-
Panasonic HJE120 400/-
Both are solid earphones for their price. For loudness go with Philips.
 
Soundmagic PL11 - 650/-
JVC Marshmallow - 550/-
Both are good. If you are looking for more loud and punchy sound then the PL11 is the best option.
The JVCs have much more balanced output.
 
Note: What follows is merely my understanding/opinion based on what I've read online recently, & not necessarily from direct experience.

While I'm not an audiophile, I've been researching iems lately & another very strong contender in your budget is the Soundmagic ES18, for about Rs. 421. Here's our resident audiophile, eSantosh's initial impressions - http://www.techenclave.com/audio-zone/random-iem-headphone-rants-106883/p48/#post1631057. Do note that the build quality might very well be inferior to the iems suggested by the other members above. So that's something you should weigh before your purchase.

Coming to your requirements about loudness & noise isolation-
From what I gather, every In Ear Canalphone is loud enough. So I wouldn't worry about that.
I suspect there won't be much difference in noise isolation per se for the different iems within your budget. & individual differences in the size of ear canals coupled with what tips are offered/used by you would also impact how good a seal you get. From the user's standpoint, wearing the iems the way manufacturers recommend is always a good starting point.

HTH.
 
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Thank you guys for all the inputs.

Philips SHE3580 400/-
Panasonic HJE120 400/-
They look good but i am getting inclined towards soundmagic as there are loads of good reviews on this forum.

Soundmagic PL11 - 650/-

Its a little above budget and online its available for above 800 bucks on the popular sites. How good is pl18 ? I am getting a deal for rs500 online for PL18, is it as good as PL11???

Still looking for more options. How do u compare jvc marshmellow to pl18 - these two fit in the budget well
 
Thank you guys for all the inputs.


They look good but i am getting inclined towards soundmagic as there are loads of good reviews on this forum.



Its a little above budget and online its available for above 800 bucks on the popular sites. How good is pl18 ? I am getting a deal for rs500 online for PL18, is it as good as PL11???

Still looking for more options. How do u compare jvc marshmellow to pl18 - these two fit in the budget well

As you stated, you want loud and punchy sound from your headphones. Going by this the PL11s are the best option u've got. They are rich in bass.
You can get the PL11s from pristinenote for 650/- (He is a trusted seller and u should have no problem dealing with him).

The marshmallows on the other hand produce a more clear and balanced output. I find them a little low on bass.
I've never tried the PL18s.

So I think you should go with the Soundmagic PL11. :)
 
I've listened to both Philips 3580 and es18.....out of the two I'll definitely recomend es18
Good forward mids and since it can be easily driven...its louder than 3580's
Avg build quality though but its not a deal breaker (using it since 4 months, i feel it
can last for at least 1 year) :)
 
Based on what little I could find, PL18 would be a much worse deal at 500 than PL11 at 650 and ES18 at 450.

"Loud" is more a function of efficiency - impedance and sensitivity. PL-18 has 12 ohm impedance, sensitivity of 98 db, ES18 is 16 ohms and 100, PL-11 is 12 ohm and 100dB. Going by specs, I'd say to achieve the same level of loudness, you need higher volume for PL-18, than PL-11 or ES18. Between PL-11 and ES18, ES18 would go a little more louder for the same volume level (RB-ed Clip+: -39 for PL-11 = -41 for ES18).

Between the two, I don't hear a big difference in bass quantity. ES18 has better bass detail, PL11 has a bit more mid bass and better punch. ES18 has more forward mid range, a thicker sound and leans towards clarity. PL11 has warm, crisper mid range. PL11 has relatively better sparkle than ES18. Instrument separation in ES18 for complex passages is better as PL11 tends to crowd out things a bit. Though I am unable to put a finger on it, ES18 has a slight "it" factor for me.

Just for the sake of explaining - imagine ES18 as the slightly fatter (thickness of voice) band in a smaller room (sound stage size) with white shirts (tone) in front of a white background (clarity), but standing closer to the front of the stage (positioning of sound). PL11 would be a similar sized room but it is dark colored, normal sized band members, red colored shirt (warmth), but standing more towards the middle of the stage. If you read my posts, you would know that I lean towards ES18. Does that mean PL11 is a loser? Not really. PL11's tone is more natural for guitars, cymbals and vocals being crisper sound better than ES18. On the other hand, when the music gets complex, ES18 brings out the background information better (closer - so you can see everything more clearly, not that it is absent in PL11). Now, why did I say "white room" and "dark room"? It is about the 'background' behind the music. But it's also about the perception of space as well. For the same size room, lighter colors increase the perception of space and darker colors make the space a little closed in. While the physical sound stage (or head stage) size is not vastly different, ES18 gives better sense of space.

Hope it helped you at least a bit...
 
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@esanthosh curious, does the concept of sound decay even apply to these low end iems like es18. or are they just average at best in that regard? been using es18 for a while now and they are definitely vfm
 
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Sound decay? You mean the transient response? Or do you mean something else?

If its decay, yes! It does apply to every IEM regardless of price. After all, it's measurable through Impulse Response and CSD (though I don't know how to read CSD / Waterfall yet)

Blackness - Though much better observed using Cumulative Spectral Decay plots (CSD, waterfall), residual ringing and noise created by the cans after a sound has been played can be seen in the impulse response plot by observing how long it takes for the headphones to go silent after the impulse. This is a fairly good measure of how "black between the notes" a headphone will sound, or sometimes how "confused" they sound.

More from The Engineering and Art of Headphone Design

Yet another measurement that affects perceived frequency response is “waterfall,” or “decay” of the original signal. Just as the tuning fork can’t stop, various headphone diaphragms can’t stop, thereby adding coloration to the sound around that particular frequency. So the “frequency response” might look good, but the “waterfall” or delay may look bad, causing exaggerated high frequencies (such as in balanced armature designs) or exaggerated bass, such as in dynamic designs. The same frequency response with the waterfall response plotted next to it. One can see a slow decay across the frequency spectrum where the energy is stored.

Lastly, impulse response helps to determine how fast a headphone can respond to a signal, and how fast it can stop. An impulse allows us to see the rise and fall of the transducer and its ability to reproduce musical instruments that have fast transients. One can see why two headphones that measure the same in frequency response can sound very different.
 
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Thanks for the very informative post. Yeah , I meant the decay . I have observed in a few high end cans and iems , some of the notes fade out gradually (slowly ) after the impact compared to the low end phones where the same note just stops immediately after the impact . Somehow it gives me a perception if this phenomenon is a criteria to differentiate the natural sounding ones from the colored ones?
 
Not really. A slower decay like in bass would make it muddier, a quicker decay is also bad. I think you meant something else?

Quoting from the second link, I gave above

Headphones are similar to speakers in that they are both transducers on the reproduction end. Their job is to recreate the music signal, without adding sounds of their own. But that’s almost impossible since every mechanical device has sounds, resonances and distortions of their own.

For example, when reproducing a bass kick drum, the recorded sound may stop, but because of the inertia of the speaker or headphone diagram, it keeps on going. This is known as “decay” over a period of time and it is easily measured today in the form of a “waterfall” graph. Kind of like a tuning fork that keeps on ringing. This is bad.

The “speed” at which the music signal occurs is also important to create a sense of realism. In real life, when a guitar pick hits the string, or when one hits a triangle, how fast is the initial impact? It’s immediate. But, in the same way a speaker or headphone has trouble stopping, it can also have trouble accelerating fast enough to accurately capture the initial impact of the music.

Decay: Fadeout of a note following the initial attack, easily seen in waterfall response. Some frequencies may decay longer than others depending on the headphone design. Decay negatively affects sound accuracy, since it adds “coloration” to the music that wasn’t in the original recording.

Coloration: An audible added characteristic with which a headphone produces that is not a part of the original source material. Caused by poor waterfall and/or frequency response resulting from resonances in the design of the diaphragm, as well as the earphone housing. Heavy metals are usually preferable to plastics, which can resonate.

Clarity: Is the sound clear and transparent as opposed to muddy or fuzzy. Accomplished with good impulse and waterfall, so the headphone diaphragm starts and stops rapidly. A “slow” headphone may have all of the frequencies, but not good clarity.

Anyways, we are going off-topic :). May be in the Random thread...
 
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