47Shailesh
Discoverer
start paying for maintenance/development of TE servers/apps as we pay tax in India. Probably then someone would in better shape to declare democracy here, till then Anarchy rules.
Peace!
Peace!
I want elections on TE
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Pratik.Sampat
Forerunner
Elections or not, even when we publicly ask people to nominate themselves, very few come forward. As an example, if we're looking for 10 mods.. only about 15 would apply for the position 
As for why we haven't had elections - as someone said, its trust that we look for.. not popularity.
As for why we haven't had elections - as someone said, its trust that we look for.. not popularity.
Sudarshan_SMD
Galvanizer
I like TE the way it is.
:no:Bluffmaster said:Nice idea.
what if he himself isn't interested?malhotraraul said:
The Sorcerer
Galvanizer
I like the way things are right now. Social "experiments" can be carried out at fun enclave.
The way I see it, newbies should learn to assimilate themselves with the way how TE runs, not the other way around. One who upholds justice doesn't always mean that he will end up being famous and through other people's perspective, "unbiased". If they don't like it, there are always other forums. Even if the mods make a mistake (be realistic, its not a big deal) they are still empathetic and correcting any misunderstanding-in public or privately.
The way I see it, newbies should learn to assimilate themselves with the way how TE runs, not the other way around. One who upholds justice doesn't always mean that he will end up being famous and through other people's perspective, "unbiased". If they don't like it, there are always other forums. Even if the mods make a mistake (be realistic, its not a big deal) they are still empathetic and correcting any misunderstanding-in public or privately.
Its the process itself that would be perhaps get people involved in TE. While the current mode of selection is excellent, I had a few suggestions which I thought this thread would elict from the various people.
Tradionally, we have always had global mods. The selction for that imho should never be changed. These are the people who form the root and see that the basic goals and targets are met. Think of it as the UN security council. No one will get in until the initial members want them in.
Whereas the idea I am playing with is for the section mods. No offense to any section mod now, they are all doing an amicable job and they should continue to do so. I propose this role to be a changing one, where all people on TE can get a chance to work for the small community in terms of moderating and the small tasks that come along with it.
for 1, it would foster relations between mods and general public. Like it or not, the mods do form a closed off group. People would get to see their presctives put to test in real world situations. Its always easy to talk about a admin or mod abusing power, different when the power is with that person and how he handles it.
secondly, since it will be sort of a non permanent situation, more people than the select few would be able to expecience this. This of this as a extension to the member of the month title. This would be much more than the cosmetic tag.
Thirdly, everyone has something to look forward to in the six months or year. Be it the general camraderie or how people react during those time, will be something that would being the forum as a whole in to work. Fun times no?
Lastly and more importantly, people will see through this process, why is it a good idea to participate in elections and in general, what value does this excersise brings to the table.
Tradionally, we have always had global mods. The selction for that imho should never be changed. These are the people who form the root and see that the basic goals and targets are met. Think of it as the UN security council. No one will get in until the initial members want them in.
Whereas the idea I am playing with is for the section mods. No offense to any section mod now, they are all doing an amicable job and they should continue to do so. I propose this role to be a changing one, where all people on TE can get a chance to work for the small community in terms of moderating and the small tasks that come along with it.
for 1, it would foster relations between mods and general public. Like it or not, the mods do form a closed off group. People would get to see their presctives put to test in real world situations. Its always easy to talk about a admin or mod abusing power, different when the power is with that person and how he handles it.
secondly, since it will be sort of a non permanent situation, more people than the select few would be able to expecience this. This of this as a extension to the member of the month title. This would be much more than the cosmetic tag.
Thirdly, everyone has something to look forward to in the six months or year. Be it the general camraderie or how people react during those time, will be something that would being the forum as a whole in to work. Fun times no?
Lastly and more importantly, people will see through this process, why is it a good idea to participate in elections and in general, what value does this excersise brings to the table.
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SharekhaN said:
How does this square with...
Crazy_Eddy said:
if trust is in abundance then yes otherwise maybe not.
I thought the only thing the mods did was allow ppl to interact with each other according to the spirit of the board. Otherwise they are pretty much hands off.SharekhaN said:
Another way of putting this is i've never really noticed the presence of mods much in this forum during my time here. That to me is a good thing. No clue when they are changed because the look & feel is pretty much the same. Thats important if a forum hopes to retain members who get used to it.
Good mods are hard to come by.SharekhaN said:
Anxious for me, dread to see a good mod retire.SharekhaN said:
^^ I dont know in what context are you reading the posts. In any case, If I hadn't made myself clear, the main mods would be as they are, as they select, with complete autonomy. This clearly what you want to see as a forum where these mods work behind the scenes, as an invisble force. Again, its just an idea, not something I have a white paper on that i can quote off. I had wanted a debate on this subject. I have never demanded these changes take place, expect the title where I was just fishing for people to click on the thread
In anycase, it is very clear to me that you and I work on very different wavelengths of thought because I find it very difficult to reason with, understand or answer to your posts. I feel they dont make sense half of the times. Maybe that just me or something. Please dont take this personally, as I didnt mean to be rude.
In anycase, it is very clear to me that you and I work on very different wavelengths of thought because I find it very difficult to reason with, understand or answer to your posts. I feel they dont make sense half of the times. Maybe that just me or something. Please dont take this personally, as I didnt mean to be rude.
@Sharekhan, long post from me. take some coffee first.
After some thought this seems like a good idea only if it is done in moderation i.e. only for 1 temporary section mod. not more than this. why? read below.
example: if the mods and section mods are overworked and require some help in one form or other, like say they are going on a leave and are going to be understaffed, then they can ask us to elect from amongst the people who have volunteered to take up the job on a temporary basis. they will have all the powers on the section mod so that they can carry out their job faithfully.
but question arises: how will you judge him? how can you judge someone whom you cannot see doing his job? till now being on TE, the only interaction i had with mods was through pm's. what discussions and decisions they take, do they consult the global mods etc goes on behind closed doors. how can we judge a book by its cover? Say if a mod decides to give infraction to someone cause he used foul language or something else meriting a foul, after asking his seniors. who will you blame in such a case. you will think the temp mod took decision on his own, whereas it was a decision taken by his seniors. any answer to this?
how can anyone be fair during the election process is also a concern. for one no one knows everything about everyone here. how will you compare the people who volunteer? its like looking at a shelf full of books in a store and judging them by their covers. granted you might have read one or two books but will you be fair in judgment?
then at such times favoritism comes into play which defeats the very purpose of an election.
in contrast, the country's election process is open for all to see. you already know who did what for the area. would you vote for a person based on looks alone or on their merits alone or both?
i wanted to write more but forgot... my mind thinks at speed of light, maybe faster and its hard to keep up with it.
After some thought this seems like a good idea only if it is done in moderation i.e. only for 1 temporary section mod. not more than this. why? read below.
example: if the mods and section mods are overworked and require some help in one form or other, like say they are going on a leave and are going to be understaffed, then they can ask us to elect from amongst the people who have volunteered to take up the job on a temporary basis. they will have all the powers on the section mod so that they can carry out their job faithfully.
but question arises: how will you judge him? how can you judge someone whom you cannot see doing his job? till now being on TE, the only interaction i had with mods was through pm's. what discussions and decisions they take, do they consult the global mods etc goes on behind closed doors. how can we judge a book by its cover? Say if a mod decides to give infraction to someone cause he used foul language or something else meriting a foul, after asking his seniors. who will you blame in such a case. you will think the temp mod took decision on his own, whereas it was a decision taken by his seniors. any answer to this?
how can anyone be fair during the election process is also a concern. for one no one knows everything about everyone here. how will you compare the people who volunteer? its like looking at a shelf full of books in a store and judging them by their covers. granted you might have read one or two books but will you be fair in judgment?
then at such times favoritism comes into play which defeats the very purpose of an election.
in contrast, the country's election process is open for all to see. you already know who did what for the area. would you vote for a person based on looks alone or on their merits alone or both?
i wanted to write more but forgot... my mind thinks at speed of light, maybe faster and its hard to keep up with it.
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SharekhaN said:^^ I dont know in what context are you reading the posts. In any case, If I hadn't made myself clear, the main mods would be as they are, as they select, with complete autonomy. This clearly what you want to see as a forum where these mods work behind the scenes, as an invisble force. Again, its just an idea, not something I have a white paper on that i can quote off. I had wanted a debate on this subject. I have never demanded these changes take place, expect the title where I was just fishing for people to click on the thread
And that is ok, i'm not saying you were at all.
Just thinking that the current system with its knowns is better than what you are proposing with its unknownsSharekhaN said:
going by the responses in the thread so far i'm relieved to know i'm not in the minority
Eddy said the main criterion for a mod is trust.
Can you find that if you keep rotating ppl out very 6 months ? I think not.
Rather than force a new system let them instead make changes when necessary. Only they know best what they want. We have no clue.
I entirely agree with Sharekhan.
Every eligible member should have a chance to manage/assist the forum. It just keeps everyone interested and the powers should not be akin to a royal throne that you inherit for life.
Section moderators should be rotated every 6months IMO, with or without elections. After all, there are many who are eligible, some more knowledgeable than others...
Every eligible member should have a chance to manage/assist the forum. It just keeps everyone interested and the powers should not be akin to a royal throne that you inherit for life.
Section moderators should be rotated every 6months IMO, with or without elections. After all, there are many who are eligible, some more knowledgeable than others...
Party Monger
Juggernaut
I'l vote the person who increases the mailbox space...
Bring out your election manifesto already...
Bring out your election manifesto already...
thetoxicmind
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