Forum Feedback Improving TE Market - Suggestions

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Hello All,
With Increasing Number fraudsters, making deals on TE is becoming little harder.

Now, everyone suggest something to improve TE market(A good thing). Their suggestions were:
  • TE acting like middleman, providing a escrow account
  • Entry to market Based on Number of Reputation points
  • Raise the minimum number of Posts to enter the market

All these solutions have a good motive but they are harder to implement. also, these suggestion makes involvement of TE, but Market trades are done between two parties with TE taking no responsibility.
Hence they should not be implemented

judging by nature frauds done on TE, I see same people are coming back again & again.

In My Opinion, these fraudsters aren't die-hard criminals. they are just greedy & disillusioned youngsters, who commit such crimes by seeing the opportunity of making easy money. they also think they can't be caught as they are in different City or State Altogether.

To Stop this, we send a strong message to them that, even if you manage to cheat a member, you won't get off easily.

Here are a few suggestions i Propose:

  1. A Criminal Case of Fraud/Cheating Under Section 420 Should be Registered
    • A Buyer Should Register a Formal Complaint with Local Police/Cyber Crime Cell. even if its a trouble for a buyer, he should register. as it would save lot of other innocent first time buyers
    • If proved Guilty, Fraudsters will have to face Upto 7years of Jail and fine
    • Some may say filling F.I.R is much of hassle and police will not take action: But still even if you make register a complaint against them, these people will have a criminal record. they would have problems with issuing of passports,getting Jobs etc.If a Person cheats you and steals your hard-earned money. you should at least make the person pay for it. let him face consequences of his own deeds.
    • Filing a F.I.R against them, would make them fearful and they would feel that they have actually committed a serious crime. else they won't think this as serious and keep on cheating
  2. Complete Information Regarding Fraudsters Should be Shared
    Continuing with current System of Blacklisting fraudsters on TE, we should make all information regarding these fraudsters public. it would ensure, the person does not cheat again. But present system of giving out just the user name is not enough we need to share more information. This Information should include:
    • Name and Complete Contact Details with address and Phone numbers
    • Financial Information like Bank account numbers,Branch and account holder name etc
    • Name of ISP and City

Your Responsibility as buyer is:
To collect and keep all information along with poofs of transaction like Bank deposit receipts or cheque number,
Regards,
Gaurish
 
how about adding a sticky with a basic checklist to keep yourself secure while dealing with known/unknown members.
 
I dont think TE as itself should get involved in these sales at all. TE is sorta like the newspaper classifieds. TE does not guarantee anything. Just because it is here does not imply any sort of assurance. evaluate the product and the seller before buying stuff. As always , Caveat Emptor. If you get screwed , well thats a learning experience...
 
Gaurish said:
Now, everyone suggest something to improve TE market(A good thing). Their suggestions were:
  • [strike]TE acting like middleman, providing a escrow account[/strike]
  • Entry to market Based on Number of Reputation points
  • Raise the minimum number of Posts to enter the market
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1st point is definitely not possible. I don't think TE would ever like to take on that responsibility.

2nd and 3rd perhaps, but both are just higher hurdles which a determined fraudster can still overcome. A bit of diligence in dealings is all you need to apply.

Edit: Exactly as greenhorn said :). In fact we even have a disclaimer saying the Market is merely a platform and TE is not responsible for what happens there. Still we do assist members in whatever way we can.
 
if we implement all the above 3 pts then it would be very difficult for new guys to even buy anything from the market , selling is way far away .

a sticky thread with Do and Donts for buying and selling in the market and

the thread should also have blacklisted members with the threads they used for cheating .

it would help members
 
Crazy_Eddy said:
1st point is definitely not possible. I don't think TE would ever like to take on that responsibility.

2nd and 3rd perhaps, but both are just higher hurdles which a determined fraudster can still overcome. A bit of diligence in dealings is all you need to apply.

Edit: Exactly as greenhorn said :). In fact we even have a disclaimer saying the Market is merely a platform and TE is not responsible for what happens there. Still we do assist members in whatever way we can.
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you misread my post, I am not in favor of implementing these, instead i support Actions from Buyer in form of a formal police complaint and greater information sharing:)
 
I guess the itrader link could be made more prominent for the new buyers to get an idea of the sellers here.
 
PAISAPAY like scheme can be done here by Adding Payout Integration of all the banks with TE Member CP here.. but that will make TE, Market Website more than a Technology forum..

It is better to have personal transactions and deals throughout PMs and Voice Calls, email etc.. It will be helpful for the customer, seller as well as TE staff!

Also iTrader is the best way to judge the Seller or Buyer.. Still with having great iTrader points, some members may prefer to do fraud and scams for personal profit, I know it's very rare case, but still TE can think to make some new rule here..
 
Rahulrulez said:
PAISAPAY like scheme can be done here by Adding Payout Integration of all the banks with TE Member CP here.. but that will make TE, Market Website more than a Technology forum..
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As you said there are lots of things that can be done but from a staff point of view we see TE as a tech forum and have no plans of turning it into any sort of online market place yet. You already have ebay for that.

for now I dont think there is much else we can do here, we do have stickys to highlight members whose deals go bad but they can always reappear in another guise and it really is up to the buyer to check itrader ratings and use what ever means is possible to ensure a smooth sale.
 
bottle said:
As you said there are lots of things that can be done but from a staff point of view we see TE as a tech forum and have no plans of turning it into any sort of online market place yet. You already have ebay for that.

for now I dont think there is much else we can do here, we do have stickys to highlight members whose deals go bad but they can always reappear in another guise and it really is up to the buyer to check itrader ratings and use what ever means is possible to ensure a smooth sale.
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That's what I said... read the part After But..... :ohyeah:, We also don't want TE as online market. TE is awesome the way it is...
 
^Correct me if I'm wrong but a user need not have 100 posts to put up a post in the market section right?

If thats the case, any newbie could lure someone for buying his stuff and could end up doing the payment and not sending the stuff.

iTrader again, is just an indicative measure of the genuineness of the seller/buyer.
 
Gunman said:
^Correct me if I'm wrong but a user need not have 100 posts to put up a post in the market section right?

If thats the case, any newbie could lure someone for buying his stuff and could end up doing the payment and not sending the stuff.

iTrader again, is just an indicative measure of the genuineness of the seller/buyer.
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Thats rit they shoudnt be allowed to post until they hav 100 posts coz some scam culprits will be new members when they try to cheat :@ :@ Ans yah itrader is also imp...:)
 
Just letting you know- I am talking with total respect and no pun intended. The reason why I am letting you know is because many of the posts are either being misunderstood or being intentionally meant to be flamed- mine is not to flame nor creating any misunderstanding. Just mentioning this so we all can be on the same page

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How about if people learn from other people's experience and NOT buy from newbies? This is techenclave not ebay! Some people don't reflect their real experience on itrader ratings, which is partially their fault and second how hard can it be to check the itrader ratings and judge if the person is a good buyer or not? Few people give a serious feedback, some dont- thinking that you might hurt his/her/its' sentiments. A facility is given to members to judge whether to buy/sell it to a person based on itrader ratings- any Tom, Dick and Harry can understand and make decisions based on that.
 
I think TE market serves its purpose just fine. and the purpose was to have a platform where TE members can sell their stuff.

People want to use it as a regular market place, like ebay, so you have newbies coming in just for the market, some trying to cheat , and some trying to get that killer deal. Well, if you dont hang around the forums , and make use of the gyaan thats already here , and then do something stupid, and get scammed , is it really the forum's fault ?

we have had cases where there were regular members whose deals went bad , and i think with the exception of viking , and maybe jesal (debatable) , all issues have been resolved by the members themselves.
 
a normal interaction between a buyer and seller is sufficient...no need to implement stricter rules....but advices must b prominently displayed....jut like the normal market....it is the duty of the buyer to b smart and cautious...
 
I think iTrader and user's comments are already a good deal. before dealing with the seller you should first see the comments from other buyers.

If a seller is selling and if seller has good reps and iTrader comments than I think the seller should ship the stuff without or minimum deposit to the seller.

What Say Haa.??
 
what about TE dealers?

Is Techenclave responsible for deals done by TE dealers, since it takes a monetary consideration for allowing dealers to use TE as platform for selling.
 
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