Market Feedback In regards to people selling "unopened/Brand new" Items

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How about this, keep a special joining criteria for market where members need to submit scanned copies of identity proof and address proof, verified phone number. In case any deal goes bad, mods can release the info to get to the person and will also prevent fake profiles. Still somebody can use any other person's docs if they have access to it but that could be rare.

But all this could also mean increased work for the mods.

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arun687 said:
How about this, keep a special joining criteria for market where members need to submit scanned copies of identity proof and address proof, verified phone number. In case any deal goes bad, mods can release the info to get to the person and will also prevent fake profiles. Still somebody can use any other person's docs if they have access to it but that could be rare.

But all this could also mean increased work for the mods.

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What incentive does the forum have to take this much effort ?
 
Sorry to say, but if you can't derive the incentive for the efforts, I think you should shut down the market.

I know TE should ideally be a hobbyist/geeks paradise where talking and discussing about Technology should be at the center stage and things like the market somewhere down as an added feature. But a lot of users stick to TE or comeback to it after certain periods of time when they are looking for a gadget, and that is when they look up reviews, post opinions and best of all check if its available here. Not to mention many new registrations are attracted by the very same market. Closing it down, to me, makes no sense.

I have been on TE for almost 4 years now, long before you had to answer a question to confirm membership, and if my opinion as a member counts, it would be that don't shut it down, I am sure you can find a way, and there will always be members to support you in any way possible. Cheers! :)
 
arun687 said:
How about this, keep a special joining criteria for market where members need to submit scanned copies of identity proof and address proof, verified phone number. In case any deal goes bad, mods can release the info to get to the person and will also prevent fake profiles. Still somebody can use any other person's docs if they have access to it but that could be rare.

But all this could also mean increased work for the mods.

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Member market is for offloading excess stuff for members. Forum n admin will have no regulatory responsibility. Most that can be done to hold the cash until product reaches buyer n thus advised 3rd party escrow.

Documents etc can easily be forged... Moreover it takes TE under jurisdiction and can mean prosecution incase of conflicts. so that wont happen

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dhruvrock2000 said:
What incentive does the forum have to take this much effort ?
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Of course it'll take some serious effort from the mods (with a small incentive that the members get to use a much safer market) and hence I understand it may not be feasible, as I pointed out in my post.
 
^ It has been adviced before to deal over ebay when there is a matter of insecurity.

It is really not a matter of efforts and extra work but law and order...
 
madnav said:
If i wanted to cone people then i wouldnt mind making 100posts in 2-3months in multiple profiles/persona and finding bakraas time to time.. one profile gets banned then there is another..ever growing process..

But if there was 1yr limit for direct deals and all younger would have to go via escrow then i wont really be taking so many efforts..

Think like a crook if you want to combat a crook.

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I dont see a crook being that patient, 100 posts (possibly moderated) or 2-3 months as you put it. 1 year limit, purely discriminatory against new members. As much as these cases are worrying, one cant change the way TE has been all these years, a free and fair forum.

Having said that, i too am against closing down market section. You can't completely eradicate conmen either, TE is now a well known forum and you will have people intending to con no matter what, unlike older times when there were fewer members. A guideline is absolutely must on this (possibly a sticky) regarding how to go about dealing in the market section, some basic few steps (advisory and not obligatory) just to make people aware. Beyond that, what can't be solved by a little bit of common sense, research and healthy personal interaction between the two parties, can't be solved by any other means either.
 
Speedz said:
I know TE should ideally be a hobbyist/geeks paradise where talking and discussing about Technology should be at the center stage and things like the market somewhere down as an added feature.
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I fully agree with it. Though I personally don't support shutting down the Market as i myself have benefited from it, but of late TE has become more market oriented.
 
my humble suggestion. apart from higher cutoff for posts, have reps as the criteria for market entry. As usual rep trading and soliciting is banned, request all members to rep newbies where they deserve it so that the helpful folks do get in early :)
 
i am also from no question era. 100 posts and invitation code for joining can stop this mess. closing the market will be a huge loss to TE and us.
 
greenhorn said:
my humble suggestion. apart from higher cutoff for posts, have reps as the criteria for market entry. As usual rep trading and soliciting is banned, request all members to rep newbies where they deserve it so that the helpful folks do get in early :)
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This can very well be a competitive game on fb.

but jokes apart.

Atleast keep an escrow service in place for those who want to use it. A service which members can recognize as 'advised by TE'

I would have preferred paypal but then it's scope is very low in india as one can not use the received money for making payments..

those who want to deal the normal way can do that too...but having an option of safety helps when there is a matter of insecurity...
 
I weigh on the side of keeping the Members Market. Do NOT take it away.

A few bad rulers do not mean systems of governance are themselves bad. ;)

And yes, the measures that require increased moderation efforts or escrow or identity verification... can be pretty hard to execute, offer low/no returns for TE, and the fact remains that everything can be circumvented with enough motivation. Seriously guys, think of the scale of moderation (instead of 1-2 sales) and the resulting moderation can be a darned fine bureaucratic layer! With ref to escrow, what is to suggest that whispers from a rotten buyer or seller won't end up giving a bad name to the in-charge guys themselves (as against the current situation where everyone knows only the rotten apple is to blame and not the forum itself). With ref to ID verification, seriously, do you want or is it realistic to run an "Aadhaar" out here? (too many ways to undermine the ID method, and that is even BEFORE attempting to think like a crook :P ).

As for the minimum post count requirement, it was ~10-15 earlier i think. Increase that to 100 or any number, but the results may not necessarily be pretty. Well yes, on a particular forum I have a post count of ~7500 over 7yrs (genuine ones too!) - my friends and almost anyone who matters to me has made 2000 posts or more and we have all sort of "grown together" - bias of the mind could say the threshold has to be 1000 posts to even consider a person who wants the privilege of joining us, since in retrospect, that threshold is such an easy/small/long-ago number. But I'd be fooling myself to set such a bar for testing quality and commitment and turning away perfectly good people. The debate between forum "lurker" (observer who rarely posts) and "blurter" (posts frequently even on things of peripheral interest to him not to the level of spamming but close) is with us since time-immemorial. My point is, a person like me would be refused entry in such a case. No biggie, I know how to make 100 non-spam posts (help people and so on) within 2 days, to attain the threshold. But hopefully you do know that forced behaviour is not beneficial to the forum, and you don't NEED crap from such people, and such people don't deserve to be treated that way.

I understand the post threshold, invite code, and member-age restrictions could help. I guess I'm trying to say... Yes you are trying to set what you think is a messy place in order. But introducing a different system of messiness may lead only to illusions of now being clean, actual loss of current and potential members, and most importantly... might "fix" something that was not creaking in the first place.
 
Crazy_Eddy said:
Not a problem.

Member's Market section is due to be closed shortly.
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Was quite evident it would happen one day. What goes around comes around.
 
asingh said:
Was quite evident it would happen one day. What goes around comes around.
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Indeed !

I havent spent a good amount of time here for my view to count but IMO Ebay listing would reduce the number of problems . I think out of 100 deals 5 goes wrong . Not bad IMO.
 
I didn't want to create different thread so here it goes: What's with dealers saying "To Order, Visit "their website URL"?

DVD Store Delhi is saying that on the Asus Eee PC sale thread, MediaHome is doing the same on Xigmatek pre-order page at the bottom of the first post, some people putting up a link (different payment modes, terms and conditions, blah blah) which leads to their site, time2shop is having the click to order thing that leads to their site????

Pristine Note seem to be the only decent guy (that I see for now) who said "To place your orders, post your names in this thread, we will get back to you with the payment details." on the first post. Why not others? How is this so different from the days when "the other forum guys" used to do certain "stuff" to leech members from here long time ago???
 
arun687 said:
How about this, keep a special joining criteria for market where members need to submit scanned copies of identity proof and address proof, verified phone number. In case any deal goes bad, mods can release the info to get to the person and will also prevent fake profiles. Still somebody can use any other person's docs if they have access to it but that could be rare.

But all this could also mean increased work for the mods.

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Personal information on public forums is a big NO.
I would never give my personal info to Mods/person/xyz for getting access to Market, as a buyer; for simple reason that I do not trust people online with my eyes closed.

I don't like it, I don't buy it, very simple.
User discretion suggested.
 
The Sorcerer said:
I didn't want to create different thread so here it goes: What's with dealers saying "To Order, Visit "their website URL"?

DVD Store Delhi is saying that on the Asus Eee PC sale thread, MediaHome is doing the same on Xigmatek pre-order page at the bottom of the first post, some people putting up a link (different payment modes, terms and conditions, blah blah) which leads to their site, time2shop is having the click to order thing that leads to their site????

Pristine Note seem to be the only decent guy (that I see for now) who said "To place your orders, post your names in this thread, we will get back to you with the payment details." on the first post. Why not others? How is this so different from the days when "the other forum guys" used to do certain "stuff" to leech members from here long time ago???
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This has been discussed and afaik TE's stand was that the Dealer section is just to provide them with a platform and they may advertise their business on TE.

Most sites have intimation system to automatically update the buyer with email once the entry is logged into their system. If this exists for a better management purpose then i do not mind.

Although what i mind is creating a forum on their website to bad mouth TE.
 
Crazy_Eddy said:
Not a problem.
Member's Market section is due to be closed shortly.
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Crazy_Eddy said:
What.. I thought everyone wanted it closed thats why we decided to do the needful :S

If Safin has time to redo iTrader we may consider relaunching it.
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Time for the official n00b to return !! :ohyeah:
 
For sure, I too agree with others as well for some % of nuisance guys let's not shut down the most popular section of TE. Rather then let's create a open discussion thread and discuss best possible way to avoid the frauds.
 
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