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Quasar
In answer to what AIM tweeted. Yes
You need some degree of government influence to put out stuff like that. Isn’t it.
India-Pakistan current war like situation discussion (Pahalgham)
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You need some degree of government influence to put out stuff like that. Isn’t it.
roadrash99
Galvanizer
Since Pakistan couldn't find a face saving offramp like Abhinandan last time, Indian media decided to embarrass their own country to give Pakistan an offramp. 4D chess de-escalation masterstroke.
Simar
Explorer
It’s frustrating to see people defend the incompetence of these media outlets by calling it “psyops.” You can’t claim strategic intent when your entire record is built on sensationalism and misinformation. Seeing people around me panic, afraid to step out due to imagined escalations, and even start hoarding due to this, is infuriating. I can’t begin to imagine how much worse it must be for those living near the border.
misinformation can play important part in warfare psyops.. Not sure if you have heard of the story of How Pakistanis were made to surrender in 1971.
long story short- they were misinformed thanks to BBC in sharing the message that India has surrounded them and huge number of Indian Army... fully loaded are headed there way. Infact India was far outnumbered but Pakistanis were made to confuse.
You may read more about it on internet. This was one of the turning points for us in that war.
Yes that I agree. War or no war . They have long lost their credibility.
DigitalDude
Innovator
Too many naive people in this thread. Unless you were so young, where were you all during Kargil, 26/11 and other zillion terror attacks? Media is far better today than they were during those times if the metric is "are they actively and intently harming the country and lying to the public". Today's media is entertainment and circus. Those times it was enemy co-conspirator and saboteur. Some are govt sympathisers, some are opposers... we have plenty on both sides. Just take a look at TN media which prostrates to a single party no matter if it is in power or not. For them the "war" is India's (Modi's) fault and borderline supporting pakistan position. That is the level of media. It is not something new. Atleast these days we have platforms like X and features like community notes.
Btw some one was talking highly of a popular journo. I could laugh at that if not for what she did during Kargil and 26/11. Reporting live army locations which were later shelled by the enemy. Reporting live hostage accounts which were later used by the 26/11 handlers and communicated live to the terrorists.
There are plenty of such saboteurs and enemies within our country these days too. I will any day prefer this clown shows and circuses to that hell where they ran the real show.
Stop deluding yourselves. There is no ideal utopian honest credible sincere fourth-estatish journalism etc except for in your fertile imaginations and fantasies. There never was... it was just hidden well in the past. Get used to the real world. If people truly wanted all this they would have gotten them. People want entertainment they get entertainment.
Obviously the entire population is not going to critically think and evaluate every piece of information. They tune out... They need sensation, drama and the works. The media is just catering to them. Both sides (media and the viewers) know what they are doing/getting. Everyone knows what is going on sooner or later. There will always be fog of war and propaganda. Public fear and hoarding is not only due to media. It is more innate and will always happen. Just get over it. But there are plenty of methods and ways the govt has with it to communicate the necessary info to the public if the need be.
Btw some one was talking highly of a popular journo. I could laugh at that if not for what she did during Kargil and 26/11. Reporting live army locations which were later shelled by the enemy. Reporting live hostage accounts which were later used by the 26/11 handlers and communicated live to the terrorists.
There are plenty of such saboteurs and enemies within our country these days too. I will any day prefer this clown shows and circuses to that hell where they ran the real show.
Stop deluding yourselves. There is no ideal utopian honest credible sincere fourth-estatish journalism etc except for in your fertile imaginations and fantasies. There never was... it was just hidden well in the past. Get used to the real world. If people truly wanted all this they would have gotten them. People want entertainment they get entertainment.
Obviously the entire population is not going to critically think and evaluate every piece of information. They tune out... They need sensation, drama and the works. The media is just catering to them. Both sides (media and the viewers) know what they are doing/getting. Everyone knows what is going on sooner or later. There will always be fog of war and propaganda. Public fear and hoarding is not only due to media. It is more innate and will always happen. Just get over it. But there are plenty of methods and ways the govt has with it to communicate the necessary info to the public if the need be.
roadrash99
Galvanizer
No one expects all media to be top tier. I don't care if the mainstream mass market media is a circus. We just expect at least ONE reliable and professional source. Last night in the entire Indian media landscape, across TV, digital and "independent" media, there were precisely zero.
This is not the same in western media and this was certainly not the case in Indian media not too long ago. This is definitely an exceptional thing that Indian media has managed to achieve.
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Quasar
Course you can. It's the best of both world's. These channels continue to do what they do best and serve a strategic purpose at the same time.
If the other side wants out fine otherwise they will be replied to. This will continue as long as it has to because time is on our side. The longer the other side stays mobilised with money they don't have the better.
What matters here is a state committed to go the long haul and its got the support of the people. The opening Salvo was impressive and its given many parties pause.
Pyception
Forerunner
1. The differene is "presence of responsible journalism" both in the past vs present.
2. Many people do seek out serious news and analysis, and there are media outlets that cater to this demand. Which is why there is X and community notes.
3. Bad things/lapses also have some positive impact like stricter guidelines, reform of sensitive information.
4. If you want entertainment, please watch comedy.
2. Many people do seek out serious news and analysis, and there are media outlets that cater to this demand. Which is why there is X and community notes.
3. Bad things/lapses also have some positive impact like stricter guidelines, reform of sensitive information.
4. If you want entertainment, please watch comedy.
MEA briefing is so grounded compared to yesterday night's 6hrs+ sensational movie shown to us .. its just better to not watch or follow anything if something like this happens again
enc0dex264
Galvanizer
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Quasar
It is systematic
www.eurasiantimes.com
From JF-17, F-16 To AWACS Shootdown -- How Indian "Psy Ops" Is Tormenting Pakistan, Bringing Pak To Its Knees: OPED
In this age of info war, it is becoming increasingly difficult to know what the reality is on the India-Pakistan front. In a sense, the disinformation war that was seen during the war in Ukraine is being replicated now in the ongoing drone/missile war between India and Pakistan over the last...
www.eurasiantimes.com
It's working as the General observed in his video this morning
Wonder why. Who here said to me Paks don't watch Indian TV?
Indian news channels gave the enemy useful info during Kargil & 26/11. Nobody disputes this
They trust our media more than their own. Especially during times such as this.
So it's the military doing it. Excellent
Bingo
Starting to make sense now?
Have to say I'm impressed.
roadrash99
Galvanizer
so its targetted towards pakistanis not us .. if only share market knew about this, my call options would not have ended in red todayIt is systematic
From JF-17, F-16 To AWACS Shootdown -- How Indian "Psy Ops" Is Tormenting Pakistan, Bringing Pak To Its Knees: OPED
In this age of info war, it is becoming increasingly difficult to know what the reality is on the India-Pakistan front. In a sense, the disinformation war that was seen during the war in Ukraine is being replicated now in the ongoing drone/missile war between India and Pakistan over the last...
It's working as the General observed in his video this morning
Wonder why. Who here said to me Paks don't watch Indian TV?
Indian news channels gave the enemy useful info during Kargil & 26/11. Nobody disputes this
They trust our media more than their own. Especially during times such as this.
So it's the military doing it. Excellent
Bingo
Starting to make sense now?
Have to say I'm impressed.
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Quasar
Yes about the night before. I didn't know we'd launched those drone attacks. Everybody was thinking once and done until the defense minister reminded us that operation sindoor wasn't over yet.
Also it's not a syndicated article.
Apparently
roadrash99
Galvanizer
Nope this happened in the afternoon yesterday and was reported in the afternoon. Western media was reporting it with footage from Pakistan (they have correspondents there). Still waiting to hear one piece of information which Indian media correctly reported last night and western media didn't.
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Quasar
Reuters is parroting out the Pak line about two downed Indian jets. You believe that?
How is it possible for western media to know things before Indian when we don’t allow them and for good reason access to the concerned areas?
Given the BS these people post about their own president why would I trust anything they say about another country? I've already pointed this out to you about Israel. And I was following right wing pro Bibi sources just as I do here.
Already pointed out government sources.
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Quasar
She's concerned that the Pak military has now started targeting civilians whereas in the past it was only terrorists that did so.
This will have big implications for Kashmir in the future and its in our interest