iPhone 4.0 disappoints
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iphone sucks,it misses on so many basic stuffs,imagine buying a phone for 35k without any proper file manager,but people still drool over it.It is indeed a strange world.
iGo said:Indiatimes infotech.... duh, no point wasting your time on it folks. move on.
Does that mean this is not really accurate?
Well this too seems to endorse the same views: Disappointments in iPhone 4.0: An Update to the Gadget's Review | Seven Sided Cube
In addition they seem to have introduced 'iAd' to facilitate developers to incorporate targetted ads to users more easily in their OS.
^^ I don't think complaining about lack of flash support can be called nitpicking by any standard. Do you browse the web without flash support on your PC as well? Flash is used by almost every website worth visiting these days and when I browse the web, I would like to see all the content put up on a page, whether I am browsing from a PC or from a Phone. Oh well, I am better off being able to view all the content of a website on my puny Nokia 5800 than viewing only half the content on the so called purrfect Mobile browser known as Saffari.
Why the heck would i listen to local garbage FM(even if it had one) when it's got over 10000 internet radio stations ?? Not gonna miss flash on a mobile.Most of the flash stuff on the websites is ads anyways. And what do you mean by it doesn't have built in photo editing apps?? Why does it need built in apps? Is every tom dick and harry gonna use photo editing apps on a phone?And for those who need there are thousands of phot editing apps available on the app store most of them far better than what android users have.
Now i can come up with a hundred reasons why one should avoid that website!!
Now i can come up with a hundred reasons why one should avoid that website!!
YoGi-Sama
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@LN: I develop Flash stuff and I surf with FlashBlock... go figure. 
@Boot_Comp: Indiatimes Infotech, there is little info and little tech... and those guys are expert in picking up stuff from blogs/other sites and spinning it off as their own version.
Let's see....
1) No Flash:
Desktop version of Flash is pig on CPU and hence on battery. The Flash platform itself is nice and robust, but problem here is the actual runtime environment and flash player. Flash Player, on version 10 now, still remains highly unoptimized piece of crap. I develop on it, so don't even bother telling me otherwise. Flash Lite on the other hand is too damn crippled. So you can't put Flash Lite because it's not feature-rich enough and Full Flash Player cause it plainly sucks (literally, the CPU power and battery juice).
2) Built in Photo Editing:
Seriously? If Apple does put a photo editing app in there, you'll hear whiners b**ching about it not being good enough as photoshop.
3) FM Radio:
Somewhat logical point... but have you really listened to Indian (at least, Mumbai) FM radios lately? It's less song and more ads, and more ads about how their station plays most numbers of songs. Content integrity aside, I do agree that it would be a nice addition to have. But it's not high point in the feature list to whine about.
Now the shocker... is this article about iPhone OS 4.0 or iPhone ver. 4 (device), because as per my limited knowledge, software cannot bring the hardware features. What next? you are going to blame that iPhone OS 4 doesn't make your iPhone camera become 5MP?
4) Multitasking:
For three years iPhone 2G owners (including myself) enjoyed free OS updates and features additions which were not promised. I would have loved to have multitasking on my iPhone 2G, but I can already see that my phone is not fast enough. It was fast three years ago, but as the software evolved and more features got added, it simply doesn't have enough juice to do everything. I would rather not have horrible and sluggish experience than have just one feature.
I think iPhone 3G owners would feel little more sting than 2G owners, for their's being little updated device. But under the hood, it's not much different than 2G. The amount of ram is same on both devices and running more and more processes are simply going to bring it to it's knees. Face it, Do you blame Intel or AMD if their two generation old CPUs are not being fast enough on Windows 7 as your friend's Core-i5?
5) GPS:
Apple doesn't have service... there, they said it themselves. Google has Google Map, and they can use it better than anyone else. Apple doesn't have GPS service or even Map service. It uses Google Maps. That's why they provided location + GPS hybrid background service for developers, so they can leverage location info to use with their own "MAP" + "Turn-by-Turn" navigation apps.
6) Attachments:
This I will agree on. But the fact that iPhone doesn't have file manager is partially responsible for not being able to select documents for attachment. However, in the heat of finishing this half-assed spin-off, they forgot that you CAN very well attach pictures in email.
7) File Manager:
It's quite complicated, as having File Manager implies that you can transfer documents on device other than multimedia files. Should they have it? Maybe, but since there is no SD card expansion and no document editing/creating/saving support other than images, there is hardly a reason. Do I miss it? Nope. For same reasons stated above. Do I want it? If it serves the purpose, yes. But for the reasons stated earlier, having a File Manager means having quite a few other features to justify it's existence.
And once again, as you can see the half-assed attempt... because iPhone can manage the photos quite well as well as videos (phone shot or iTunes synced).
Phew... that was a lot... but seriously. That indiatimes infotech link is not even an article. It's a just slideshow with two-three or at the best four lines per slide written for the heck of it. There was no insightful information, there was no technology talk involved, there was no balanced evaluation of situation. I find it funny that you even thought it was worth sharing.
Sorry if you think that Indiatimes Infotech is a pioneering tech site for India, but this just looks like attempt to garner few website hits by writing something about latest talk of the town, a sad attempt at that and just like most of their other articles.
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On the other note... I find the iAds issue is getting blown out of proportion. It's not like you're seeing ads everywhere and getting it in-your-face in every interface element on your device. Even now you can see ad strips running in the bottom of many free apps. What iAd is doing is, instead of driving you to the browser when you click on ads, it's letting developers use iAds framework to create to interactive ads that plays inside the app itself. And this happens ONLY WHEN YOU CLICK ON AD strip. I don't see how is that going to be different than the way currently the ads appear. People didn't whine about ads showing up in the apps while using free apps, why whine now? In fact, this way at least user experience is not hindered cause you don't leave your app, the ad just overlays on your app when you click and goes away when you close it.
@Boot_Comp: Indiatimes Infotech, there is little info and little tech... and those guys are expert in picking up stuff from blogs/other sites and spinning it off as their own version.
Let's see....
1) No Flash:
Indiatimes Infotech says said:
Desktop version of Flash is pig on CPU and hence on battery. The Flash platform itself is nice and robust, but problem here is the actual runtime environment and flash player. Flash Player, on version 10 now, still remains highly unoptimized piece of crap. I develop on it, so don't even bother telling me otherwise. Flash Lite on the other hand is too damn crippled. So you can't put Flash Lite because it's not feature-rich enough and Full Flash Player cause it plainly sucks (literally, the CPU power and battery juice).
2) Built in Photo Editing:
Indiatimes Infotech says said:
Seriously? If Apple does put a photo editing app in there, you'll hear whiners b**ching about it not being good enough as photoshop.
3) FM Radio:
Indiatimes Infotech says said:
Somewhat logical point... but have you really listened to Indian (at least, Mumbai) FM radios lately? It's less song and more ads, and more ads about how their station plays most numbers of songs. Content integrity aside, I do agree that it would be a nice addition to have. But it's not high point in the feature list to whine about.
Now the shocker... is this article about iPhone OS 4.0 or iPhone ver. 4 (device), because as per my limited knowledge, software cannot bring the hardware features. What next? you are going to blame that iPhone OS 4 doesn't make your iPhone camera become 5MP?
4) Multitasking:
Indiatimes Infotech says said:
For three years iPhone 2G owners (including myself) enjoyed free OS updates and features additions which were not promised. I would have loved to have multitasking on my iPhone 2G, but I can already see that my phone is not fast enough. It was fast three years ago, but as the software evolved and more features got added, it simply doesn't have enough juice to do everything. I would rather not have horrible and sluggish experience than have just one feature.
I think iPhone 3G owners would feel little more sting than 2G owners, for their's being little updated device. But under the hood, it's not much different than 2G. The amount of ram is same on both devices and running more and more processes are simply going to bring it to it's knees. Face it, Do you blame Intel or AMD if their two generation old CPUs are not being fast enough on Windows 7 as your friend's Core-i5?
5) GPS:
Indiatimes Infotech says said:
Apple doesn't have service... there, they said it themselves. Google has Google Map, and they can use it better than anyone else. Apple doesn't have GPS service or even Map service. It uses Google Maps. That's why they provided location + GPS hybrid background service for developers, so they can leverage location info to use with their own "MAP" + "Turn-by-Turn" navigation apps.
6) Attachments:
Indiatimes Infotech says said:
This I will agree on. But the fact that iPhone doesn't have file manager is partially responsible for not being able to select documents for attachment. However, in the heat of finishing this half-assed spin-off, they forgot that you CAN very well attach pictures in email.
7) File Manager:
Indiatimes Infotech says said:
It's quite complicated, as having File Manager implies that you can transfer documents on device other than multimedia files. Should they have it? Maybe, but since there is no SD card expansion and no document editing/creating/saving support other than images, there is hardly a reason. Do I miss it? Nope. For same reasons stated above. Do I want it? If it serves the purpose, yes. But for the reasons stated earlier, having a File Manager means having quite a few other features to justify it's existence.
And once again, as you can see the half-assed attempt... because iPhone can manage the photos quite well as well as videos (phone shot or iTunes synced).
Phew... that was a lot... but seriously. That indiatimes infotech link is not even an article. It's a just slideshow with two-three or at the best four lines per slide written for the heck of it. There was no insightful information, there was no technology talk involved, there was no balanced evaluation of situation. I find it funny that you even thought it was worth sharing.
Sorry if you think that Indiatimes Infotech is a pioneering tech site for India, but this just looks like attempt to garner few website hits by writing something about latest talk of the town, a sad attempt at that and just like most of their other articles.
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On the other note... I find the iAds issue is getting blown out of proportion. It's not like you're seeing ads everywhere and getting it in-your-face in every interface element on your device. Even now you can see ad strips running in the bottom of many free apps. What iAd is doing is, instead of driving you to the browser when you click on ads, it's letting developers use iAds framework to create to interactive ads that plays inside the app itself. And this happens ONLY WHEN YOU CLICK ON AD strip. I don't see how is that going to be different than the way currently the ads appear. People didn't whine about ads showing up in the apps while using free apps, why whine now? In fact, this way at least user experience is not hindered cause you don't leave your app, the ad just overlays on your app when you click and goes away when you close it.
@iGo: FYI, I didnt write the article (your long-winded response seems to indicate I did).
And seriously no one is picking on you for your views. If you are fine with the 'features' of the product (any product for that matter) offered, good for you.
I'm just sharing this for those who may feel otherwise (and who are not aware).
(your long-winded response seems to indicate I did).And seriously no one is picking on you for your views. If you are fine with the 'features' of the product (any product for that matter) offered, good for you.
I'm just sharing this for those who may feel otherwise (and who are not aware).
desiibond
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Boot_Comp said:@iGo: FYI, I didnt write the article
And seriously no one is picking on you for your views. If you are fine with the 'features' of the product (any product for that matter) offered, good for you.
I'm just sharing this for those who may feel otherwise (and who are not aware).
You posted the link to article on this forum and iGo gave his views on the article. And yes, his view makes total total sense. That article is really misleading and is definitely not the one that a buyer can rely on to judge iphone OS 4.0
IMO iGO puts in context a lot many things and does it really well, perhaps some that I could have explained (FM/Flash) and a lot more that I wouldn't have. His points make for a good reading and strong argument in support of OS4.0.
From a general outlook, we cannot expect one device to do it all for us. a phone is phone a camera is a camera and a computer a computer should be the basic premise of approaching such devices, when a single device allows us to do many things, it may do well at some and not so well at others. I believe most would upgrade their devices for what the new ones can do, and what existing ones can't, while ignoring what the new ones can't do that well.
From a general outlook, we cannot expect one device to do it all for us. a phone is phone a camera is a camera and a computer a computer should be the basic premise of approaching such devices, when a single device allows us to do many things, it may do well at some and not so well at others. I believe most would upgrade their devices for what the new ones can do, and what existing ones can't, while ignoring what the new ones can't do that well.
YoGi-Sama
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@Boom_Comp: No buddy, I didn't say that you wrote the article, not once.... and my post was not meant to be rebuttal against YOU, but the article and the general douchebaggery that goes on that site. The only thing that I said addressing you directly was that, that you found it worth sharing. Because that article does not share anything insightful. :no:
I have no problem with anyone writing article about iPhone's shortcomings. As a long time user, I'm well aware of it's shortcomings. But if you (in this case "you" means Indiatimes infotech) wanna write something about or against a gadget, write something worthwhile of your reader's time. Writing two lines per image, stringed in slide-show format is NOT an article. So this so-called article doesn't have it to make it worth anyone's time, and it just ends up putting wrong words in confused buyer's or skeptic's mind without offering proper justification. So, no... if you think it was worth sharing, sorry to break it to you buddy, but you thought wrong.
Once again, I don't have anything against you. If you think iPhone is not worth your money, I understand. Despite being an iPhone user, I personally didn't find the need to upgrade from iPhone 2G for so many years (I bought 2G for 12.5k, yes first hand, so you can imagine my reluctance for spending well over 30k for slight hardware upgrade). But if you really want to gain knowledge, don't waste your time on crappy sites like Indiatimes Infotech. There are much better sites, where people write much better stuff and much better way. As Kauzy said, iPhone bashing seems to be the trend these days, but even a well written bashing with well researched points is worth reading for once.
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On a totally unrelated note (or somewhat related).... my nick is iGo, which is suppose to phonetically similar to "ego" (not the ego ego, but ego as in alter-ego or second personality). So if anyone thinks that it's iGO (eye-go), it's NOT... and the i in my name does not imitate apple's product naming convention (iMac, iBook, iPhone, iPod and so on). Since I've seen any people referring it as iGO (eye-go), it may appear that I'm Apple fanatic. But just want to clear that, despite using many Apple products, I do not justify everything that Apple does and I prefer to look at thing rationally before making any opinion about it. Similarly, I do not bash products based on general bias towards company or whatever the popular trend might be. Sorry, but just felt like I needed to clear that.
I have no problem with anyone writing article about iPhone's shortcomings. As a long time user, I'm well aware of it's shortcomings. But if you (in this case "you" means Indiatimes infotech) wanna write something about or against a gadget, write something worthwhile of your reader's time. Writing two lines per image, stringed in slide-show format is NOT an article. So this so-called article doesn't have it to make it worth anyone's time, and it just ends up putting wrong words in confused buyer's or skeptic's mind without offering proper justification. So, no... if you think it was worth sharing, sorry to break it to you buddy, but you thought wrong.
Once again, I don't have anything against you. If you think iPhone is not worth your money, I understand. Despite being an iPhone user, I personally didn't find the need to upgrade from iPhone 2G for so many years (I bought 2G for 12.5k, yes first hand, so you can imagine my reluctance for spending well over 30k for slight hardware upgrade). But if you really want to gain knowledge, don't waste your time on crappy sites like Indiatimes Infotech. There are much better sites, where people write much better stuff and much better way. As Kauzy said, iPhone bashing seems to be the trend these days, but even a well written bashing with well researched points is worth reading for once.
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On a totally unrelated note (or somewhat related).... my nick is iGo, which is suppose to phonetically similar to "ego" (not the ego ego, but ego as in alter-ego or second personality). So if anyone thinks that it's iGO (eye-go), it's NOT... and the i in my name does not imitate apple's product naming convention (iMac, iBook, iPhone, iPod and so on). Since I've seen any people referring it as iGO (eye-go), it may appear that I'm Apple fanatic. But just want to clear that, despite using many Apple products, I do not justify everything that Apple does and I prefer to look at thing rationally before making any opinion about it. Similarly, I do not bash products based on general bias towards company or whatever the popular trend might be. Sorry, but just felt like I needed to clear that.
the people still bashing the iphone are the ones who've been doing it for years... and making the same points about "lack of features"
it's quite clear by now that Apple doesn't care and there are still plenty of people who will buy it regardless. if i could afford it, i'd be one of them because i don't really care about the features that are missing but no other phone that i've come across has given me a better user experience for day to day stuff.
show me a better interface and a more responsive touch screen... we can talk.
to reiterate, i don't even own an iphone.
it's quite clear by now that Apple doesn't care and there are still plenty of people who will buy it regardless. if i could afford it, i'd be one of them because i don't really care about the features that are missing but no other phone that i've come across has given me a better user experience for day to day stuff.
show me a better interface and a more responsive touch screen... we can talk.
to reiterate, i don't even own an iphone.
iGo said:@LN: I develop Flash stuff and I surf with FlashBlock... go figure.
iGo said:
Well I won't contest your other points, but about flash I definitely do not agree.
My company despite being the most direct competitor to Adobe in the DTP market still uses flash extensively in the companies website. They also consider it important enough to maintain product modules that allows authoring of flash content by end users without any knowledge of programming or scripting (i.e to say WYSYWYG authoring of the content and setting up events without knowledge of Action Script). Its still important enough that its considered to be higher priority than our WYSIWYG HTML authoring modules. If anything usage of flash is increasing day by day so that companies can make their web interfaces more interactive and its not going to be outdated anytime soon as Mr. Jobs prophesied either.
So maybe you can live without flash
, but most people can't live without flash when they are browsing the web. As for stability questions, I have used flash in various operating systems and I have never faced problems with browser crashes or other problems under Windows and Linux. Flash 10 is far from perfect, but its still not as bad as you have described at least on Windows.
The only OS where I faced problems with flash is Mac OS X and I guess that has more to do with the crappy Apple SDK's than flash engine itself. So I hope you are not giving your opinion of flash based on just its Mac OS X implementation. Font and Typography support in recent versions of Mac OS is pretty unstable and any company who has to deal with these aspects at anything more than the most basic level has been facing problems and its not limited to Flash or Adobe. Even silverlight is crappy on Mac OS for the same reason. Most of the browser crashes I encountered had the Apple Core SDKs to blame for.
Even if we put all that aside, I would like to see at least Flash Lite on iPhone OS, Its at least better than not having it at all and see blank areas on half the pages while browsing.
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