Current Affairs Israel attacks Iran.

[solo_wing]

If the Brits are fussing so much , why does the Indian govt even let the aircraft on our soil ? We just do not have to give permission . I used to wonder why Indian govt allows map service providers map our country for no reason .

We have a pact or understanding with them to allow beside this was emergency situation. If not allowed the pilot could have crashed it.


Btw Not sure if allowing them to map will make much difference in terms of secrecy be ause of satellite imagining these days.

But should be done by Indians only.

They do not have to coat it when they are not fighting right ? I am guessing the American govt is bullshitting to the Americans about the cost of operations . Probably some politician is making money selling coatings ?

The US politicians as far as I seem to have understood they may make money on cuts , bribes and as middle men but they don't swindle money directly out of defence expenditures and public money.
I could be wrong but they seem to have much more stringent policy on terms of bookkeeping.
Again Not saying they must not be making money btw.

Hamare yeha hota hai yeh sab....they take bribes also plus take more money out of projects also. Chori ke saath dakati .

 

[TEUser2K1]

If the Brits are fussing so much , why does the Indian govt even let the aircraft on our soil ? We just do not have to give permission . I used to wonder why Indian govt allows map service providers map our country for no reason .

Conspiracies are abound, for eg., it's a different fighter jet that raised the distress call, not the one landed in India.
Anyways, they have to dismantle missiles / weapons, wings, etc. to cargo the fighter jet now.
As for Indian govt., international laws, being in maritime exercise with them during the issue, being USA's top fighter jet we have to act as decent folks, we are not that big a player in international defense space though ~1.4bn people, aka we can't even control our meek teeny tiny neighbors for their own good. Then, we have to buy jet engines, do trades, international diplomatic favors, etc. from these countries.
So, a bit of reality check is fine.

 

[ByteBuzz]

They do not have to coat it when they are not fighting right ?

That does make sense.
But let's say the all aircraft's are needed on a urgent notice like in 12 hours.
Maybe it takes a lot of time to coat them .
So having them prepared for a mission on any given moment doesn't sound like a bad idea.


Also the paint degrades quickly.
You need to reapply it after every mission.

Why the B-2 Bomber's 'paint' is one of the most expensive materials on Earth

The paint is engineered to absorb radar energy instead of reflecting it. This reduces the B-2’s radar signature dramatically, making it nearly impossible to detect on conventional radar systems.Untitled Summary

www.wionews.com

I am guessing the American govt is bullshitting to the Americans about the cost of operations .

Maybe when you read something like this, you realize why American doesn't have free healthcare.

https://www.pogo.org/investigations/leaked-audit-boeing-overcharged-army-up-to-177000-percent-on-helicopter-spare-parts

Some also that the original maker Northrop Grumman might be the only ones that make the paint.
So ig they can charge whatever they want

 

[k660]

a face saving exit from iran?
( - says fired just as many missiles as US
- already claiming on their state TV that iran responded strongly and successfully towards ' U.S.aggression '
- target countries at which missiles fired they already knew about it...... )

 

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What if Iran used cluster bomb like method with colloidal from of nuclear material, etc. to spread it in vast area ?
What if they target water bodies ? It's all out for speculation for advanced military professionals.

If you can't imagine it how can you prepare for it. The job of these people is to think through these contingencies to the extent possible.

Your thinking is on the technical plane. How to make the perfect dirty bomb. Hah. Not necessary.

Don’t Fear the Dirty Bomb – War on the Rocks

At the recent Democratic presidential debate, the candidates were asked to identify the biggest threat the U.S. national security. Hillary Clinton, the

warontherocks.com

How many people died from Chernobyl?
Fukushima?

Much bigger than any dirty bomb a terrorist could pull off isn't it. Ideal case study

public officials, panicking because of the perception of radioactive dispersal in their city, will order the evacuation of people from the contaminated area to include a healthy buffer area further out, not because of the actual public health risk of a few millicuries of radiation exposure every day, but because they don’t want to be fired as a result of not being reactive enough.

And then there is this..

There was no rational basis for the U.S. government to order all Americans living within 50 miles of Japan’s crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant to evacuate, other than fear. All that order did was spur the public’s panic and make Japan’s job of dealing with its millions of citizens in the same area more difficult.

I remember people saying the same thing at the time but the fear factor was so high they got drowned out.

Germany took the extreme decision to phase out nuclear power all together. All because of fear.

So yeah, the bigger problem for government is how you manage the public.

Not the dirty bomb.

Think about it. You don't need much in terms of radioactive material if a government mismanaged and its media goes hyperactive to achieve the goal.

In the case of Fukushima it was a foreign government panicking that made things worse for the Japanese. And there was no end of criticism from the locals of their government. Which incidentally happened to be the opposition party. They lost in the next election as a result and Japan returned to veing the one party state it has been since WW2 (!)

 

[solo_wing]

'Complete and total ceasefire': Trump announces end of Israel-Iran conflict; says '12-day War' could have gone on for years - Times of India

US News: Donald Trump announced a complete ceasefire agreement between Israel and Iran, claiming a 12-day war would end imminently. According to Trump, the cea

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who wants to bet ..I say Trump will get Nobel Peace prize 2026?
Guys , is the edit option removed? I don't see it anymore.

 

[ByteBuzz]

Guys , is the edit option removed? I don't see it anymore.

We are migrating away from xenoforo.
Until that no edit option ig.

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'Complete and total ceasefire': Trump announces end of Israel-Iran conflict; says '12-day War' could have gone on for years - Times of India

US News: Donald Trump announced a complete ceasefire agreement between Israel and Iran, claiming a 12-day war would end imminently. According to Trump, the cea

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

who wants to bet ..I say Trump will get Nobel Peace prize 2026?
Guys , is the edit option removed? I don't see it anymore.

Looks like the Iranians have chickened out. But they have chosen the right option to save the regime. For now anyway.

Same play here as he did with us

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937335126754754695

How long this will last is to be seen

 

[solo_wing]

Looks like the Iranians have chickened out. But they have chosen the right option to save the regime. For now anyway.

What can a country with $25Billion defence budget do against another country with $750billion defence budget plus $40 billion( Israel defence budget)
On top years of heavy sanctions.

It's like asking any common Indian middle age man with belly fat to go into the ring with Mike Tyson at his peak.

 

[yugaaa]

How Trump has a lot to explain . The Iranians wont back down unless the West does . They seem to have cleared the air .

Iran launches missiles at US bases in Middle East – media

A barrage of at least ten ballistic missiles has reportedly been fired at airbases in Qatar and Iraq

www.rt.com

Looks like the Iranians have chickened out. But they have chosen the right option to save the regime. For now anyway.

Same play here as he did with us

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937335126754754695

How long this will last is to be seen

That is propaganda .

 

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What can a country with $25Billion defence budget do against another country with $750billion defence budget plus $40 billion( Israel defence budget)
On top years of heavy sanctions.

Take the right decision. Which they have.

Because two days back they were threatening everyone at their press conference.

Iran launches missiles at US bases in Middle East – media

A barrage of at least ten ballistic missiles has reportedly been fired at airbases in Qatar and Iraq

www.rt.com

This is the Iranian face saving exercise. Trump has thanked the Qataris for their help in this matter.

See where the Iranians hit. Totally orchestrated to fool their public.

That is propaganda .

No, we have a cease fire.



The Iranians are out of ammo.

The Israelis have probably had enough too.

 

[manohar5321]

Is it better for India to have a USA controlled moron next to pakistan or have another pakistan next to pakistan. Either way it will be difficult to manage our western borders.

 

[solo_wing]

Is it better for India to have a USA controlled moron next to pakistan or have another pakistan next to pakistan. Either way it will be difficult to manage our western borders.

I am more worried about Eastern border.
Chinese are much richer and has more sophisticated weapons and worst is they will pass on to Pakistan at half the price.

 

[manohar5321]

I am more worried about Eastern border.
Chinese are much richer and has more sophisticated weapons and worst is they will pass on to Pakistan at half the price.

But I believe China is not a war economy like the USA so they are more focused on their economy and prosperity. And they want their BRI projects to succeed and wont give 2 cents to worthless Pakistan if they the USA/Israel are taking over it, probably they will keep extracting millions in taxes from the crazy loans given to Pakistan for the next 100 years which is a better more profitable deal than actually completing the CPEC

 

[solo_wing]

But I believe China is not a war economy like the USA so they are more focused on their economy and prosperity.

China is turning into one.
They are selling weapons to many countries now and with recent India- Pak mini war. Their weapons industry is into focus specially for small countries unable to afford US and Europe's expensive sophisticated weapons

It is same like mobile phones decades ago.

China is rising as weapons manufacturer.

India too bad seen some growth but still far away for China.

China is a smart player they have patience, they have money , they have technology and they are good at selling.

And they want their BRI projects to succeed and wont give 2 cents to worthless Pakistan if they the USA/Israel are taking over it, probably they will keep extracting millions in taxes from the crazy loans given to Pakistan for the next 100 years which is a better more profitable deal than actually completing the CPEC

BRI projects is not just about economy it has strategic reasons to exist too.

It gives access to China to trade and energy supply incase India blocks Indian Ocean.

 

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Is it better for India to have a USA controlled moron next to pakistan or have another pakistan next to pakistan. Either way it will be difficult to manage our western borders.

China has lost due to Operation Sindoor & Operation Rising Lion.

What will happen to that $400bn investment they supposedly made in Iran. Where they get discounted oil for however long.

Iran behaving themselves means Americans won't have to split assets between the Gulf and can concentrate more on China.

If Iran is allowed to sell oil we benefit but now China no longer gets discounted oil. We can continue our work in Chabahar that has been stymied for nearly ten years due to sanctions. This helps us in Afghanistan and decreases Pak leverage on the Taliban.

Pakistan is forced to play along with what Trump says inadvertantly helping Israel and weakening their ties with China.

IMEC should go ahead thanks to the added stability now compared to earlier.

Rising US influence in the region helps Indian influence there also.

 

[yugaaa]

I am more worried about Eastern border.
Chinese are much richer and has more sophisticated weapons and worst is they will pass on to Pakistan at half the price.

We do not have to worry much on the Eastern front . If at all China and India go to war ,outcome would be liberation of Tibet . It is not easy for China to attack from North . It would be only the eastern front and It is not so easy to for China to move their arsenal .

If you calculate we can afford to be at a full fledged war for at least 4 -5 years . We have surplus food , more no. of people with younger age .

 

[solo_wing]

We do not have to worry much on the Eastern front . If at all China and India go to war ,outcome would be liberation of Tibet . It is not easy for China to attack from North . It would be only the eastern front and It is not so easy to for China to move their arsenal .

If you calculate we can afford to be at a full fledged war for at least 4 -5 years . We have surplus food , more no. of people with younger age .

You underestimate China a lot here.
Chinese know their gameplan too.

And having many men to fight is no longer a great asset anymore thanks to drone warfare.
Ofcourse it is still undeniable imp. But not" The Factor" anymore.

 

[yugaaa]

China has lost due to Operation Sindoor & Operation Rising Lion.

What will happen to that $400bn investment they supposedly made in Iran. Where they get discounted oil for however long.

Iran behaving themselves means Americans won't have to split assets between the Gulf and can concentrate more on China.

If Iran is allowed to sell oil we benefit but now China no longer gets discounted oil. We can continue our work in Chabahar that has been stymied for nearly ten years due to sanctions. This helps us in Afghanistan and decreases Pak leverage on the Taliban.

Pakistan is forced to play along with what Trump says inadvertantly helping Israel and weakening their ties with China.

IMEC should go ahead thanks to the added stability now compared to earlier.

Rising US influence in the region helps Indian influence there also.

All the above is assuming that USA and China are at logger heads and looking to outwit each other . I am saying USA and China are partners .
China carries most of the American debt . If China decides to not trade in USA , America would pack up . What about most American /European corporations who have their manufacturing back yard in China ?
Don't you think the west could have engineered a split in China if they wanted to ?

 

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Regime change is impossible . The Iranians seem to have a proper structure and back up in place . One dies the next one takes his place automatically . No parliament debates or JPC to select or elect the next chief .
They are not bothered about men , country . They are bothered about Islam and that is what the supreme leader proclaimed . So if he is gone , the next one is ready . When you have a system driven on ideology , it is difficult to penetrate and that is what Israel and USA know .

The regime is entrenched and there are vested interests that benefit and oppose the change. It will take time.

What effect will the below two actions have? Assuming you know what goes on in Evin prison

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937096505493790745

..and what the Baseej do

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937133543593021838

The Israelis will have to tone it down after the ceasefire but their plotting to end the regime won't stop.

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NSC of the previous administration giving credit to Trump.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937314782190965076

This is exactly why Trump agreed to the strike. He assessed correctly it would force a ceasefire at the very least and allow him to claim credit.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1937377930491150736