Its Gujarat again

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In Gujarat blast, first victim is a Muslim. Do you really think that people who are fanatic about their religion will kill members of their own community in the month of Ramazan and that too when Eid is so near?

but what if these terrorists are not just hell bent on religion but also pawns under a friendly neighbouring country....may b the conspiracy is to start another round of bloodshed in gujarat.....riots r not new to that state..it just needs a trigger incident..

Center has all the rights to ban bajrang dal....why is it waiting....it cudnt even arrange documents in court after every agency named simi in recent blasts during a court case...current ban on simi is a temp one..many of its alliance partners r forcing them as well....one of the parties in this bunch if i am right was toying with the idea of issuing a MLA ticket to abu salem....may b the congress is cooking its food using fire lit by fundamentalists chanting the secular jap....
 
racy1 said:
Time & again.... This has nothing to do with ISLAM.... Just 'coz few fools are advertising their own brand of ISLAM with the name of terrorism & media giving them brand value does not mean its the religion to be blamed.....

So stop associating....

I use the term because all muslims are definitely not terrorists but most terrorists are muslims. This is how the world works.
please go through it very carefully:

'My work is a form of commitment to myself, to memory and to humanity,'' he explained in lengthy interview with the Spanish daily, El País, last year. ''My Judaism is very problematic. I am a non-believing Jew. Yet as a Jew I was taken to Auschwitz, as a Jew I was in the death camps and as a Jew I live in a society that does not like Jews, one with great anti-Semitism. I always have the feeling that I was obliged to be Jewish. I am Jewish, I accept it, but to a large extent it is also true that it was imposed on me.''
---- Imre Kertész, a Hungarian novelist and Holocaust survivor who won the 2002 Nobel Prize for Literature
 
morgoth said:
I use the term because all muslims are definitely not terrorists but most terrorists are muslims. This is how the world works.
please go through it very carefully:
---- Imre Kertész, a Hungarian novelist and Holocaust survivor who won the 2002 Nobel Prize for Literature
Don't believe that terrorism is only spread through Bombs & AK-47's... There are other widely used means... SO the list of non-muslims labeled terrorists will in fact become quite large as well...

But we are yet to see the media promotion for this list to come out in open then your disbelief will be shattered...

This is the outcome of every blast, this is the core reason for every blast, to divide the society for personal vested interests.....
 
I am not sure if it is useful to argue what is the true message of any religion.

However what we do know is that the terorrists want to establish an islamic state in India. There is no confusion about that.

Dont like to hear that? Tough. Deal with it.

racy1 said:
Time & again.... This has nothing to do with ISLAM.... Just 'coz few fools are advertising their own brand of ISLAM with the name of terrorism & media giving them brand value does not mean its the religion to be blamed.....

So stop associating....
 
fractal said:
I am not sure if it is useful to argue what is the true message of any religion.

However what we do know is that the terorrists want to establish an islamic state in India. There is no confusion about that.

Dont like to hear that? Tough. Deal with it.

Of course that is the agenda of SIMI, but lets be practical, is it possible... NO it cannot be.... And how many Muslims are coming out supporting these fools in their endeavor citing ISLAM the reason....

Common man is still trying to make ends meet...
 
morgoth said:
1- Why it can't be extremists from majority?

There are...but at least they fight on issues which are justified. Exploitation by majority that is.

2- Why Kanpur incident (when blast killed a few bajrang dal members who were making bombs) has not been investigated properly and has not been brought before the public properly?

Because people planning the revenge are dead? It was again a small chunk. Their inexperience was rewarded with death.

3- Why, even after running amok in Karnataka and Orissa, Bajrang Dal has not been banned?

Though I do not justify the events, do you know four major leaders opposing conversions in Orissa have been killed(read assassinated) in past few months? Has there been any inquiry in that?

4- Apart from Gujarat, today there is blast in Melgaon. This took place in front of a mosque in muslim locality. In Gujarat blast, first victim is a Muslim. Do you really think that people who are fanatic about their religion will kill members of their own community in the month of Ramazan and that too when Eid is so near?

Yeah...they did a super duper one in their holy land(pakistan)

And yes I'm not pointing out the religion here. just put those up to get the facts straight.
 
racy1 said:
Time & again.... This has nothing to do with ISLAM.... Just 'coz few fools are advertising their own brand of ISLAM with the name of terrorism & media giving them brand value does not mean its the religion to be blamed.....

So stop associating....

It has everything to do with ISLAM:

why: because for the fanatics, everything is in afterlife, virgins too. so they dont give rat's crap about what happens to the world leave behind. Take a look all over the world, how many places do you see people fighting in the name of the God? And incidently, all of these places turn out to be battleground for Islam vs anything else.

So yes, that mindset is responsible for putting the whole world in trouble.
 
racy1 said:
:S :S :S :S :S

Naxals, Maoists :S :S ....if you have not come across some. they fight for land reforms and justice for poor. Maybe their methods are not justified, but yes to some extent I support them.
 
Arya said:
It has everything to do with ISLAM:

why: because for the fanatics, everything is in afterlife, virgins too. so they dont give rat's crap about what happens to the world leave behind. Take a look all over the world, how many places do you see people fighting in the name of the God? And incidently, all of these places turn out to be battleground for Islam vs anything else.

So yes, that mindset is responsible for putting the whole world in trouble.

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

1.6 billion Muslims in the world practicing ISLAM ... Are they all up in arms spreading terrorism.... Why do you believe a handful of fanatics who are killing innocent people in the name of their brand of ISLAM. Why can't you believe the majority who don't support terrorism.... Do you seriously believe they will go to paradise...

If you do then you are the biggest fool... Those creeps will meet their end in this life & definately in afterlife if there is one... No god will ever spare anyone who takes life of the innocents.... NO GOD EVER WILL...
 
Arya said:
Naxals, Maoists :S :S ....if you have not come across some. they fight for land reforms and justice for poor. Maybe their methods are not justified, but yes to some extent I support them.

How is majority involved here... :S

Oh I get it... they are 'coz they use AK-47's & bombs... but you are in denial ... You are not willing to accept that terrorism is also spread with means other than guns...
 
racy1 said:

dude...take it easy. take time to read my post before you start jumping.

1.6 billion Muslims in the world practicing ISLAM

I dont blame all of them or the the religion for that matter

Do you seriously believe they will go to paradise...

I certainly don't. Atheist you see, but some morons do believe for sure.

If you do then you are the biggest fool... Those creeps will meet their end in this life & definately in afterlife if there is one... No god will ever spare anyone who takes life of the innocents.... NO GOD EVER WILL...

dood...easy. If GOD had to, he'd have taken care of them already. lighting strike may be....

racy1 said:
How is majority involved here... :S

they dont talk about Jihad. Hence no Islam involved. !(minority) = majority

Oh I get it... they are 'coz they use AK-47's & bombs... but you are in denial ... You are not willing to accept that terrorism is also spread with means other than guns...

???? I havn't seen them targeting crowded markets. It has been Government and its system. Again...I don't approve of killing of anyone before you start jumping again. <--- Text in bold so you can read this time
 
Arya said:
It has everything to do with ISLAM:

why: because for the fanatics, everything is in afterlife, virgins too. so they dont give rat's crap about what happens to the world leave behind. Take a look all over the world, how many places do you see people fighting in the name of the God? And incidently, all of these places turn out to be battleground for Islam vs anything else.

So yes, that mindset is responsible for putting the whole world in trouble.

buddy ,plz dont say mean thing about other religion.

Religion is killing everyone , those comment will make worse, whether its true or not.

recently i saw this stupid forum .....check this link , this is what other religion think about Hinduism .........IT MADE ME VERY SICK and DISGUSTING .......the more we speak and think about religion ...the more anger and hatred spreads. CHECK OUT THIS STUPID AND RETARDS people ,who COMMENTS on this S*it forum

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Arya said:
It has everything to do with ISLAM:

why: because for the fanatics, everything is in afterlife, virgins too. so they dont give rat's crap about what happens to the world leave behind. Take a look all over the world, how many places do you see people fighting in the name of the God? And incidently, all of these places turn out to be battleground for Islam vs anything else.

So yes, that mindset is responsible for putting the whole world in trouble.

Have you read Quran? Not necessarily in arabic but the translated editions put out by western scholars. If yes, we can debate. If no, then STFU, read a bit, meet people, explore cultures and cut some crap out of your mind.

PS: Just saw your siggy. Is it not ironical that you are so cocksure :rofl:
 
racy1 said:
Time & again.... This has nothing to do with ISLAM.... Just 'coz few fools are advertising their own brand of ISLAM with the name of terrorism & media giving them brand value does not mean its the religion to be blamed.....

So stop associating....

Exactly... In the end, regardless of religion/caste/locality its still Indians who are killing Indians. Its just that people make themselves feel good by putting all the blame on someone else. These things do not have anything to do with religion/race/sect or any other division. Its all in the peoples mentality.

Some "leet" guy on these very forums was saying in some other thread that Hindus were always timid by nature from time immemorial and that Muslims are blood thirsty and violent by nature. Yeah Right! what bull sh1t is that. As if no Hindu guy in whole country has ever committed a violent act. As if all that happened in Ayodhya or Maharashtra are not violent acts. None of it happened for the glorification of a religion / state or sect. Everyone of these violent acts have behind it a person or persons with personal agenda which has nothing to do on with the name on which the violence was being committed.

There was another member on these very forums who was claiming to be a christian and was trying to pass judgement on the Hindus for their in-capability to deal with the so called "Muslim-threat". Christianity has its own history of violence, selfishness and greed. How many millions of Muslims and other people were put it death during crusades all in the name of religion and what was the goal of it all, just to conquer more land, pillage more gold, or get more power. None of it had anything to do with religion at all. I was born a Christian myself, so I know the shameful history of violence that happened on the name of religion.

There are more examples of such attitude in this very thread. Just blame everything on some group and badge them. If not for the Bihari people, our state would have been so great, if not for the Muslims and Christians, our country would have progressed so far. How much percentage of people have been directly affected by the bomb blasts compared to the total number of murders, rapes, burglaries and other violence being committed in our country every day.

The situation is bad, but people like to think that if not for the bomb blasts being carried out by the so called Islamic Terrorists, our country would have been so without violence.

What do you expect when highly literate people like these in very own forums display such shameful attitude.

No religion encourages people to kill other people for promoting religion. There is always personal agenda behind attacks like these. People like these really do not have any religion. Those who really believe they are doing it for their religion with out any other purpose are really mentally disabled people whose brain has not developed fully and being taken advantage of by people who have their own personal agenda.

Its no use blaming some religion/race/caste/sect. Its more to do with the inherent attitude of some people or personal agenda.
 
morgoth said:
Have you read Quran? Not necessarily in arabic but the translated editions put out by western scholars. If yes, we can debate. If no, then STFU, read a bit, meet people, explore cultures and cut some crap out of your mind.

What it has to do with Quran? It doesn't matter what is written in there. At least to a certain group it does not.

Dont take me for an ignorant. I got many 'good' muslim friends. you missed to read fanatics, hence emphasis here.

And yes for the discussion reading Quran, Bible or Gita dont matter. I know how to lead a good life. Dont give a sht about religions. I have seen them more grief than helping people.

morgoth said:
PS: Just saw your siggy. Is it not ironical that you are so cocksure :rofl:

I don't see relevance, care to explain?

buddy ,plz dont say mean thing about other religion.

Religion is killing everyone , those comment will make worse, whether its true or not.

recently i saw this stupid forum .....check this link , this is what other religion think about Hinduism .........IT MADE ME VERY SICK and DISGUSTING .......the more we speak and think about religion ...the more anger and hatred spreads. CHECK OUT THIS STUPID AND RETARDS people ,who COMMENTS on this S*it forum

Not blaming Islam, merely replying to how terrorism is connected to Islam <-- Everyone please take note
 
Arya said:
dude...take it easy. take time to read my post before you start jumping.
I dont blame all of them or the the religion for that matter
I certainly don't. Atheist you see, but some morons do believe for sure.
dood...easy. If GOD had to, he'd have taken care of them already. lighting strike may be....
they dont talk about Jihad. Hence no Islam involved. !(minority) = majority

???? I havn't seen them targeting crowded markets. It has been Government and its system. Again...I don't approve of killing of anyone before you start jumping again. <--- Text in bold so you can read this time

Of course I am angry you accuse the religion & very easily turn away saying I am not accusing religion or its people..... This is the kind of alienation I despise in society... This is the alienation why Naxals are a menace now..

My point is why don't you believe those harmless majority who don't adhere to this extremist brand...

God will never take care of anything.... Even he is not interested... had enough I guess...

JIHAD is not just war in the name of religion killing innocent people, women children alike... Get the true meaning of Jihad, what is it & how its misused by those fanatics... Its one of the most misunderstood words....
 
Of course I am angry you accuse the religion & very easily turn away saying I am not accusing religion or its people.....

Read my previous post, its answered there....and if you're angry go kill some...i dont care

JIHAD is not just war in the name of religion killing innocent people, women children alike... Get the true meaning of Jihad, what is it & how its misused by those fanatics... Its one of the most misunderstood words....

I know this, but this word is still used to kill innocents. Not saying that all muslims are out there to kill everyone in the world....

Before people joining this thread jump to conclusions...

The Question?

racy1 said:
Time & again.... This has nothing to do with ISLAM.... Just 'coz few fools are advertising their own brand of ISLAM with the name of terrorism & media giving them brand value does not mean its the religion to be blamed.....

So stop associating....

The Answer!

Arya said:
It has everything to do with ISLAM:

why: because for the fanatics*, everything is in afterlife, virgins too. so they dont give rat's crap about what happens to the world leave behind. Take a look all over the world, how many places do you see people fighting in the name of the God? And incidently, all of these places turn out to be battleground for Islam vs anything else.

So yes, that mindset is responsible for putting the whole world in trouble.

Disclaimer: *Not all muslims are fanatics
 
Completely OT but here is presenting Irony part Deux:

The siggy in qstn (Arya's): "
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."

Morgoth said:
PS: Just saw your siggy. Is it not ironical that you are so cocksure

Arya said:
I don't see relevance, care to explain?

:lol:

Again completely OT, but we already have Godwin's law proved right again within just 3 pages :lol:

sorry if that seems flippant in what should have otherwise been a serious thread, but since every such thread degenerates into a free-for-all fistfight, thought might as well defuse some tension
 
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