Japan offers India to join Next-Gen Fighter jet Project.

Russia having to fight with restrictions from the west is what they wanted, so they won't think about it.
Now, with hordes of powerful and customized fighter jets worth several billions lost forever, how Russia is going to strike back is the question.
This indeed is a critical situation, more details:

Wondering whether Oreshniks will target important locations in UA.
they are suppose to meet to talk on peace in Istanbul today.
Not sure where this will go now.

Trump was so sure about ending this war in 1 day but now things are only taking worse turn.

Hope peace returns there too but I know in today;s time it is just wishful thinking.
 
How much Russia suffered remains unclear among fog of war. Ukrainian claims need to be taken with as much pinch of salt as Pak claims.

But a few points worth considering,

1. It was nonetheless astonishing with how much ease cheap drones could bomb Russian bombers.
2. The attack was more like terror attack rather than military attack.
3. West only cares to trouble Russia. They don't care about whatever happens to Ukraine.
4. Ukraine administration seems more keen on earning personal fortune irrespective of interest of their Citizens, National interest.

A few questions worth pondering..

1. How will Russia respond?
2. Was it a wise move by Ukraine?
3. Was West wise to escalate considering their engagements at Syria, Yaman, Iran?
 
How much Russia suffered remains unclear among fog of war. Ukrainian claims need to be taken with as much pinch of salt as Pak claims.



A few questions worth pondering..

1. How will Russia respond?
Russia will respond for sure. Ukraine is pushing Russia closer to pressing the nuke button( small tactical one atleast)
2. Was it a wise move by Ukraine?
Ukraine is at war. They will respond in their own way. Wise or not so wise dont know. It may give them a little more upper hand when negotiating for peace.
3. Was West wise to escalate considering their engagements at Syria, Yaman, Iran?
West like you already mentioned...does not care about Urkaine and wants to bleed Russia as much as possible through Ukraine. They want to see a weak Russia that does not dare to attack Europe for next 20-30 years atleast.
 
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It's going to be a "Swayamvar"!

They will bid & offer, we will pick and choose!
True.
I think India is becoming a very imp. Reliable partner to have.
That is why Japan as well as Russia both offering great deals.

Ofcourse we common people won't know technical details much but right now it seems Russian deal is getting much better now.


Meanwhile France seems to be getting angry with India not sharing Rafale down details with them.
 
There is lots of talk going on about Rafale source code. Saying that we needs source code for fitting new weapons on Rafale is not whole truth its much more complex. India’s Mirage 2000 fleet, inducted in the mid-1980s,
was designed and built by Dassault Aviation (France) with 1980s avionics and weapons integration.
Like most fighter deals of that era, the Indian Air Force (IAF) did not receive the source codes.
In 2011, India signed a $2.2–2.5 billion contract with Dassault and Thales to upgrade 51 Mirage 2000s to the Mirage 2000-5 Mk.2 standard, including new radar, mission computer, EW suite, glass cockpit, and compatibility with new French MICA missiles.
In 2019 Dassault charged $200 million for minor software updates to enable SPICE-2000 bomb compatibility
So we dont even get source code for a 40 year old Mirage fighter jet from Dassault, and people are expecting Dassault will give source code of its most modern rafale fighter jet.
But its not so much big issue Dassault will take some money and add whatever weapon we wants Rafale to carry problem is something else.
If you recall on February 27, 2019, during heightened tensions between India and Pakistan after the Balakot airstrike,
the Indian Air Force (IAF) accidentally shot down its own Russian Mi-17 V5 helicopter near Budgam, Jammu and Kashmir. The helicopter was hit by an Israeli-made SPYDER surface-to-air missile launched from the Srinagar air base.
Six IAF personnel and one civilian on the ground were killed in the crash. Reason was given that The helicopter’s Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) system was switched off, which contributed to its misidentification.
The incident highlighted the importance of robust identification and communication protocols, especially during high-alert situations. Russian and NATO system do not integrate seamlessly you needs source code for seamless integration.
Modern IFF systems, particularly NATO’s Mode 5 standard, rely on encrypted interrogator-transponder exchanges to distinguish friendly aircraft from threats.
Mode 5, operational since 2020, employs spread-spectrum waveforms and NSA-certified cryptographic algorithms to prevent spoofing or jamming813. For the Rafale,
Thales’ TSB 2512 Combined Interrogator Transponder (CIT) integrates Mode 5 with national secure modes (NSM), enabling interoperability with allied forces while maintaining French sovereignty over cryptographic protocols517.
The system’s security hinges on the SIT 2010 cryptographic computer, which manages keys for encrypted challenges and responses215.

Source Code’s Role in System Sovereignty​

The Rafale’s Modular Data Processing Unit (MDPU) acts as the aircraft’s computational core, fusing sensor data from the RBE2-AESA radar, SPECTRA electronic warfare suite, and IFF transponders517. Access to its source code would allow India to:
Modify IFF cryptographic algorithms for compatibility with S-400’s interrogators.
Integrate indigenous weapons like the Astra Mk1 BVRAAM without Dassault’s oversight.
Customize mission profiles for high-altitude Himalayan operations against Chinese J-20 stealth fighters.
France’s refusal stems from the code’s dual-use nature: reverse-engineering could expose vulnerabilities in Rafales operated by Qatar, Egypt, and Greece, jeopardizing NATO-aligned air force

Operational Nightmare: Decoding the Night Engagement Scenario​

Night operations exacerbate IFF-S-400 integration risks due to:
Reduced visual confirmation: The Rafale’s OSF-IR optronic system has a 130 km identification range, versus the S-400’s 400 km kill radius.
EWAR clutter: SPECTRA’s jamming pods may inadvertently mask the Rafale’s Mode 5 responses to S-400 radars.

Simulated Engagement Timeline​

T+0: S-400’s 91N6E Big Bird radar detects unidentified target at 380 km.
T+15s: IFF interrogator transmits Mode 5 challenge using Indian-modified crypto.
T+16s: Rafale’s TSB 2510 transponder delays response due to protocol mismatch.
T+20s: S-400 classifies Rafale as hostile, launches 48N6E3 missile.
This scenario underscores the need for millisecond-level IFF synchronization, achievable only through source-code-level integration.
Now this is the main problem and we needs Rafale source code no matter what we do to get it.
I have researched this using perplexity pro AI and have put here only few points here whole thing is much larger.
 
@ashoka1 interesting even its with help of A.I.
Thanks.



Btw I dont like Republic TV but they seem to have covered some points on SU-57 offer. So thought sharing it.


Russia is literally giving everything it has with this offer. Too Good to be true? or will Russia really give it all in this deal?
 
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@ashoka1 interesting even its with help of A.I.
Thanks.



Btw I dont like Republic TV but they seem to have covered some points on SU-57 offer. So thought sharing it.


Russia is literally giving everything it has with this offer. Too Good to be true? or will Russia really give it all in this deal?
1. Countries in conflict need to diverse supply chains. With India a partner Russia has back up supply chain in tact and they can rely on India. More they also get Indians brains as allies in development.
2. Not many buyers with as much deep pockets as India. Russia needs to sell and offering all these will give them edge in securing orders from current biggest defense market.
 
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If we go with Russia for 5th Gen Fighter Jet than forget about Semiconductor & AI Dream, as US will get chance to refuse critical technology....

.. but the way Trump ask Apple to dump India for USA (Musk Tesla already dump India as it's not going to make anything in India), I don't think India will get any latest technology from US now or in future, as it's not just Trumps policy but it's US policy, Since last 75 Years, not to provide Latest Technology to India no matter who will be in President Office.
1. Countries in conflict need to diverse supply chains. With India a partner Russia has back up supply chain in tact and they can rely on India. More they also get Indians brains as allies in development.
2. Not many buyers with as much deep pockets as India. Russia needs to sell and offering all these will give them edge in securing orders from current biggest defense market.
Russia may create supply issue for 5th Gen Fighter like deliveries of S400 on direction of China, as in current geo political & economical crises Russia need China (Veto) Support more than India.

Japan who pull back from Bullet Train Project in India, do you really think will offer (support) any latest critical DEFENCE technology to India?
 
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@ashoka1 interesting even its with help of A.I.
Thanks.



Btw I dont like Republic TV but they seem to have covered some points on SU-57 offer. So thought sharing it.


Russia is literally giving everything it has with this offer. Too Good to be true? or will Russia really give it all in this deal?
Again its very complex. We are already manufacturing SU-30 MK1 in India under license from Russia. India does not have the full source code for the Su-30MKI’s core avionics, radar, or engine control systems.
What India does have is. Partial/Layered Source Code Access
Mission Computer: Indian firms like HAL and DRDO have developed and can modify the mission computer, which acts as an interface between the pilot and the weapons/sensors. This allows integration of BrahMos, Astra, and other indigenous weapons.
Weapon Interface Layer: India can write and modify the software needed to “talk” to new weapons, sensors, and pods.
Core Systems: The most sensitive software for the radar (N011M Bars), engine FADEC, and certain flight control systems remains under Russian control. These are “black box” systems
India can use and interface with them, but cannot fully modify or access their underlying code.
Russia, like most major arms exporters, does not provide full source code for its most advanced systems, to protect its intellectual property and military edge.
The latest contracts (like the 2024 deal) increase the share of Indian-made avionics, mission computers, and EW suites. Over time, this reduces dependence on Russian code for new capabilities.
India is steadily increasing indigenous content and software control, but complete autonomy over all Su-30MKI systems is not yet achieved.
India’s Su-30MKI fighter jets use the AL-31FP engines, which are Russian-designed but now largely manufactured in India under license.
India’s Su-30MKI fighter jets use the AL-31FP engines, which are Russian-designed but now largely manufactured in India under license.
The AL-31FP engines were originally supplied by Russia (United Engine Corporation/Saturn).
Since the early 2000s, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has produced these engines under license at its Koraput Division in Odisha, India.
In September 2024, India signed a major contract for 240 new AL-31FP engines (worth ₹26,000 crore/$3.1 billion) to support and upgrade the Su-30MKI fleet.
These engines are being manufactured by HAL in India, with indigenous content now at 54% and plans to increase it to 63%.
India achieved full overhaul capability for these engines domestically in 2018
Many specialized alloys, forgings, and bars required for both the airframe and engine are sourced from Russia, as their proprietary metallurgy is not fully transferred.
Some complex sub-assemblies and high-precision components for both the engine and aircraft structure are still imported.
Even if Russia passes on full engine technology we will still need to import many parts from Russia we dont have technology to manufacture them
ie some alloyed parts needs over 50000 ton hydraulic press to manufacture them and we dont have such big hydraulic press in India.
As of now, the largest aerospace hydraulic forging press in India is a 10,000-ton press at Aequs SEZ, Belgaum.
This is significant, but still much smaller than the 50,000-ton presses used in Russia, the US, and China for the largest and most demanding aerospace forgings.
The 50,000-ton press is capable of producing massive, high-integrity alloy parts for jet engines and aircraft structures that require precise grain alignment and strength.
India’s current press capacity limits the size and complexity of parts it can manufacture domestically
Manufacturing jet engine parts requires not just forging power, but also advanced metallurgy—such as single-crystal turbine blades and proprietary superalloys—which India is still developing.
India has made breakthroughs in producing some critical components like HPC (High Pressure Compressor) discs using isothermal forging at DMRL Hyderabad, but this is for smaller engines (e.g., Jaguar/Hawk’s Adour engine).
Bulk production for the most advanced fighter engines is still not fully indigenous.
Now lets see what China is using.
For decades, China’s air force depended on Russian engines, especially the AL-31F (used in the Su-27, Su-30, and early J-11 and J-20 jets) and the RD-93 (used in the JF-17/FC-1).
Many Chinese fighters, including the J-10, J-11, J-15, and J-16, originally flew with Russian engines.
As of 2025, China still uses Russian engines (AL-31F, AL-31FN, and D-30KP) in several key platforms, including J-20 stealth fighters and strategic bombers.
Janes and other defense sources confirm that “China continues to rely heavily on aero-engines imported from Russia.
Stolen German heavy press technology.
At the end of World War II, the Allies (both the United States and the Soviet Union) competed to seize advanced German industrial technology, including large forging presses used in the aerospace industry.
The “50,000-Ton Press” Story
Nazi Germany, under the “Reichluftfahrtministerium” (Ministry of Aviation), invested in massive hydraulic presses for the production of large magnesium and aluminum alloy parts for aircraft, especially for the Luftwaffe’s advanced designs.
These presses, including the famous 33,000-ton and 50,000-ton hydraulic presses, were used to forge large, lightweight structural components from magnesium and aluminum alloys, which were critical for advanced aircraft production.
After Germany’s defeat, both the US and the USSR sought to capture this technology. The Americans launched Operation Paperclip, bringing German scientists and equipment (including press designs) to the US.
The Soviets dismantled and transported at least one of these giant presses from Germany to the USSR as part of their reparations.
This press, and the associated German expertise, formed the basis for the Soviet Union’s own heavy forging industry, which later produced even larger presses (including the 75,000-ton press at the Voronezh plant).
How much Russia suffered remains unclear among fog of war. Ukrainian claims need to be taken with as much pinch of salt as Pak claims.

But a few points worth considering,

1. It was nonetheless astonishing with how much ease cheap drones could bomb Russian bombers.
2. The attack was more like terror attack rather than military attack.
3. West only cares to trouble Russia. They don't care about whatever happens to Ukraine.
4. Ukraine administration seems more keen on earning personal fortune irrespective of interest of their Citizens, National interest.

A few questions worth pondering..

1. How will Russia respond?
2. Was it a wise move by Ukraine?
3. Was West wise to escalate considering their engagements at Syria, Yaman, Iran?
Russian loss is 13 TU 95 bear completely destroyed. several Tu-22M3 "Backfire", and one A-50 airborne early warning aircraft. FPV drones attacked aircraft wings where they have fuel tanks to maximize damage.
Even aircraft with less visible damage will likely be out of service for years, given the complexity of repairs and the fact that these bombers are no longer in production..
You may not find what was actual damage because authoritarian regimes doesn't wants these types of news to reach public they will supress it.
Whether it’s 41 or 25, the exact number is less important the reality is that in war, aircrafts are lost and destruction is inevitable. war is super super expensive and it drains man power and resources like gutter hole.
what matters most is someone comes 5000 km inside Russia and destroys your nuclear capable strike bombers which are key elements of Russian nuclear triad and cruise missile strike capability and you dont even have basic protection like hangers for them.
TU-95 is one of the best bomber ever designed, it has range of 12000km.The design has proven so effective that it remains in service with upgrades, even after 70 years.
It is being used to launch cruise missiles into Ukraine from deep inside Russian airspace without going into Ukraine defended airspace.
The loss of these strategic bombers so deep inside Russian territory is a major blow to Russian military prestige and deterrence.
How this is a terrorist attack? Did any civilians were attacked on purpose ? In war, military assets—including aircraft—are legitimate targets. The destruction of bombers in a conflict zone is a normal, if costly, reality of warfare, not terrorism.
its same like dropping your air borne units behind enemy line to destroy enemy key infrastructure. Russia’s official statements and state media have repeatedly labeled these drone strikes as terrorist attacks
This is a deliberate choice of language, not a neutral description. Most crucially, if Russia officially acknowledges that its nuclear triad (strategic bombers) was attacked by Ukraine, it could, under
its own revised nuclear doctrine, be seen as grounds for nuclear retaliation.
Russia’s updated doctrine (2024) states that a conventional attack on its nuclear triad or strategic assets especially if supported by a nuclear power could justify a nuclear response
By calling the attack "terrorism" rather than a Ukrainian military operation, Russia avoids being boxed in by its own doctrine and the expectation of nuclear escalation
Pushing that nuclear button is really very very hard.
 
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@ashoka1 interesting even its with help of A.I.
Thanks.



Btw I dont like Republic TV but they seem to have covered some points on SU-57 offer. So thought sharing it.


Russia is literally giving everything it has with this offer. Too Good to be true? or will Russia really give it all in this deal?
The primary problem with Russian equipment has been their serviceability. Su-30 MKI barely broke the 50% serviceability mark for most of its life and has generally been in the 30-40% range, limiting its availability when needed. HAL at any point has not been able to meet any service agreements even after technology transfer.

The slightly modified AL-41F-1 engines in the Su 57 had doubtful supercruise capabilities and didn't really have a low emission signature. The AL-51F-1 was supposed to be the primary engine for all units this year and Russia is simply unable to manufacture them at scale due to the sanctions.

There is also the question mark as to how Russia will be able to source the composites it needs for the airframe. 3D vectoring is fine but we are in the age of BVR, so that won't matter much beyond air shows.

India has also always had to source the avionics at higher cost from Israel due to how gimped there are, especially in the export version.

Considering there are just over 20 non-prototype units in the Russian air force since their induction 4.5 years ago, it doesn't inspire much confidence, either in terms of cost or effectiveness and makes no sense for India to go for such a white elephant.
Again its very complex. We are already manufacturing SU-30 MK1 in India under license from Russia. India does not have the full source code for the Su-30MKI’s core avionics, radar, or engine control systems.
What India does have is. Partial/Layered Source Code Access
Mission Computer: Indian firms like HAL and DRDO have developed and can modify the mission computer, which acts as an interface between the pilot and the weapons/sensors. This allows integration of BrahMos, Astra, and other indigenous weapons.
Weapon Interface Layer: India can write and modify the software needed to “talk” to new weapons, sensors, and pods.
Core Systems: The most sensitive software for the radar (N011M Bars), engine FADEC, and certain flight control systems remains under Russian control. These are “black box” systems
India can use and interface with them, but cannot fully modify or access their underlying code.
Russia, like most major arms exporters, does not provide full source code for its most advanced systems, to protect its intellectual property and military edge.
The latest contracts (like the 2024 deal) increase the share of Indian-made avionics, mission computers, and EW suites. Over time, this reduces dependence on Russian code for new capabilities.
India is steadily increasing indigenous content and software control, but complete autonomy over all Su-30MKI systems is not yet achieved.
India’s Su-30MKI fighter jets use the AL-31FP engines, which are Russian-designed but now largely manufactured in India under license.
India’s Su-30MKI fighter jets use the AL-31FP engines, which are Russian-designed but now largely manufactured in India under license.
The AL-31FP engines were originally supplied by Russia (United Engine Corporation/Saturn).
Since the early 2000s, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has produced these engines under license at its Koraput Division in Odisha, India.
In September 2024, India signed a major contract for 240 new AL-31FP engines (worth ₹26,000 crore/$3.1 billion) to support and upgrade the Su-30MKI fleet.
These engines are being manufactured by HAL in India, with indigenous content now at 54% and plans to increase it to 63%.
India achieved full overhaul capability for these engines domestically in 2018
Many specialized alloys, forgings, and bars required for both the airframe and engine are sourced from Russia, as their proprietary metallurgy is not fully transferred.
Some complex sub-assemblies and high-precision components for both the engine and aircraft structure are still imported.
Even if Russia passes on full engine technology we will still need to import many parts from Russia we dont have technology to manufacture them
ie some alloyed parts needs over 50000 ton hydraulic press to manufacture them and we dont have such big hydraulic press in India.
As of now, the largest aerospace hydraulic forging press in India is a 10,000-ton press at Aequs SEZ, Belgaum.
This is significant, but still much smaller than the 50,000-ton presses used in Russia, the US, and China for the largest and most demanding aerospace forgings.
The 50,000-ton press is capable of producing massive, high-integrity alloy parts for jet engines and aircraft structures that require precise grain alignment and strength.
India’s current press capacity limits the size and complexity of parts it can manufacture domestically
Manufacturing jet engine parts requires not just forging power, but also advanced metallurgy—such as single-crystal turbine blades and proprietary superalloys—which India is still developing.
India has made breakthroughs in producing some critical components like HPC (High Pressure Compressor) discs using isothermal forging at DMRL Hyderabad, but this is for smaller engines (e.g., Jaguar/Hawk’s Adour engine).
Bulk production for the most advanced fighter engines is still not fully indigenous.
Now lets see what China is using.
For decades, China’s air force depended on Russian engines, especially the AL-31F (used in the Su-27, Su-30, and early J-11 and J-20 jets) and the RD-93 (used in the JF-17/FC-1).
Many Chinese fighters, including the J-10, J-11, J-15, and J-16, originally flew with Russian engines.
As of 2025, China still uses Russian engines (AL-31F, AL-31FN, and D-30KP) in several key platforms, including J-20 stealth fighters and strategic bombers.
Janes and other defense sources confirm that “China continues to rely heavily on aero-engines imported from Russia.
Stolen German heavy press technology.
At the end of World War II, the Allies (both the United States and the Soviet Union) competed to seize advanced German industrial technology, including large forging presses used in the aerospace industry.
The “50,000-Ton Press” Story
Nazi Germany, under the “Reichluftfahrtministerium” (Ministry of Aviation), invested in massive hydraulic presses for the production of large magnesium and aluminum alloy parts for aircraft, especially for the Luftwaffe’s advanced designs.
These presses, including the famous 33,000-ton and 50,000-ton hydraulic presses, were used to forge large, lightweight structural components from magnesium and aluminum alloys, which were critical for advanced aircraft production.
After Germany’s defeat, both the US and the USSR sought to capture this technology. The Americans launched Operation Paperclip, bringing German scientists and equipment (including press designs) to the US.
The Soviets dismantled and transported at least one of these giant presses from Germany to the USSR as part of their reparations.
This press, and the associated German expertise, formed the basis for the Soviet Union’s own heavy forging industry, which later produced even larger presses (including the 75,000-ton press at the Voronezh plant).

Russian loss is 13 TU 95 bear completely destroyed. several Tu-22M3 "Backfire", and one A-50 airborne early warning aircraft. FPV drones attacked aircraft wings where they have fuel tanks to maximize damage.
Even aircraft with less visible damage will likely be out of service for years, given the complexity of repairs and the fact that these bombers are no longer in production..
You may not find what was actual damage because authoritarian regimes doesn't wants these types of news to reach public they will supress it.
Whether it’s 41 or 25, the exact number is less important the reality is that in war, aircrafts are lost and destruction is inevitable. war is super super expensive and it drains man power and resources like gutter hole.
what matters most is someone comes 5000 km inside Russia and destroys your nuclear capable strike bombers which are key elements of Russian nuclear triad and cruise missile strike capability and you dont even have basic protection like hangers for them.
TU-95 is one of the best bomber ever designed, it has range of 12000km.The design has proven so effective that it remains in service with upgrades, even after 70 years.
It is being used to launch cruise missiles into Ukraine from deep inside Russian airspace without going into Ukraine defended airspace.
The loss of these strategic bombers so deep inside Russian territory is a major blow to Russian military prestige and deterrence.
How this is a terrorist attack? Did any civilians were attacked on purpose ? In war, military assets—including aircraft—are legitimate targets. The destruction of bombers in a conflict zone is a normal, if costly, reality of warfare, not terrorism.
its same like dropping your air borne units behind enemy line to destroy enemy key infrastructure. Russia’s official statements and state media have repeatedly labeled these drone strikes as terrorist attacks
This is a deliberate choice of language, not a neutral description. Most crucially, if Russia officially acknowledges that its nuclear triad (strategic bombers) was attacked by Ukraine, it could, under
its own revised nuclear doctrine, be seen as grounds for nuclear retaliation.
Russia’s updated doctrine (2024) states that a conventional attack on its nuclear triad or strategic assets especially if supported by a nuclear power could justify a nuclear response
By calling the attack "terrorism" rather than a Ukrainian military operation, Russia avoids being boxed in by its own doctrine and the expectation of nuclear escalation
Pushing that nuclear button is really very very hard.
This is too AI heavy and needs editing and fact checking to provide succinct and accurate information.

Difficult to check the accuracy of it all, but the 10,000 tonne press figure is definitely incorrect as it seems to be a decade old and pushed largely by media articles from then as well as the company's LinkedIn page, whereas you can easily find references to at least 14000-tonne press in India if you search for it.

The 50,000 tonne Nazi Germany story is also false as the Soviets had developed that later from the 33,000 tonne forge.
 
@ashoka1 interesting even its with help of A.I.
Thanks.



Btw I dont like Republic TV but they seem to have covered some points on SU-57 offer. So thought sharing it.


Russia is literally giving everything it has with this offer. Too Good to be true? or will Russia really give it all in this deal?
Never post a republic tv video. Pls.