Car & Bike Learning to drive a car - few questions

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letmein

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I'm starting to learn to drive a car. I had signed up with a driving school and finished the course (7 classes of 1 hr each). I learnt on a Santro, the car I'm driving now is a Spark that already had 10,000 km on it.

Few questions:

1) While starting the car, i.e turning the key, should you press down on the clutch? The Santro would not start without pressing the clutch, but the Spark starts without pressing down on the clutch.

2) I'm having trouble in getting the car to pick up when I have stopped, like on a red light. I put the gear in 1st from neutral, slowly release the clutch and press on the accelerator. 4 out of 10 times, the car jerks forward a bit and shuts off. What am I doing wrong?

3) Again, while switching gears like from 1->2 or 2->3, the car sometimes 'jerks' a bit. Should I take my foot completely off the clutch before accelerating?
Thank you for helping an auto noob. :ashamed:
 
Stalling when learning is common. Once you get used to the car you'll know how much throttle input is required to make the thing move. Pressing the clutch when starting is good habit - prevents the vehicle from moving in case the gear's engaged, and yeah I think most Hyundais have that feature.
 
I would suggest you get over the jerk thing by practising to move your car uphill if there is something like that in delhi.
Gets you the hang of the "false clutch" pretty quickly.
Also though not sure about petrol cars but even a diesel car can move without throttle.
If you can do that then you could avoid the jerk.
 
I would like to ask u a question: How do u change ur gears??? Like u change gear once u reach a particular speed or depending on the feel and the sound of the car???

Regarding your first question it is good practice to start the car when the car is in neutral and the clutch is not pressed... But even if u start the car by pressing the clutch it will not effect the car in anyway (according to my knowledge)

Regarding the stalling: There is not right way of picking the car up... It has to be learnt with experience till then rev it slightly while leaving the clutch initally till u get the hang of driving

For the 3rd question: listen to the sound of the car do not change gears depending on the speed you touch that way u will not have fun while driving... It is said that u should shift to the second gear once the car starts moving or is above 10 kms and from 2 -> 3 when car touches 25-30kmph... Though true but dont do this u will not be able to enjoy ur driving... See when the car nears 25kmph ur car will automatically start revving thats when u change the gear... When i say start i mean start not like rev it all the way up and then change that will just cause ur engine to overheat...

What u are doing is early shifting and it has to be done with new cars when engine break in has not happened. Stalling after jerks while changing gear are signs of a way to early shift... Since ur car has already done 10K kms u engine break in has already happened... so now u do not need to shift quickly... Listen to the sound of the engine and than shift the gears u will never go wrong...

Hope this helped and Best of Luck...
By the way Congrats for getting a car and Drive safely
 
It is better to start the car with the clutch pressed. Reduces load on the starter motor and also prevents the car from lurching forward if parked in gear.
 
Thanks guys...

Regarding when I switch gears, it's a combination of me listening to the engine + occasionally looking at the speedometer/RPM indicator. The Spark is a bit loud, so I have a pretty good idea when to switch because the engine starts 'straining' a bit.

In the city, I usually drive at 35-40 kmph/3rd gear. Only switch to 4th gear/45 kmph+ when road is empty and I know I won't have to stop/slow down. But that rarely happens in Delhi traffic. :(
 
1) If the car is in gear, press down clutch then start. If its in neutral, then just start without the clutch.

But you should try starting off it in neutral only.

2)That takes practice, you will slowly get a hang of it.

Ill tell you a trick, instead of leaving the clutch and pressing the acc. simultaneously , keep the accel pressed very slightly, and starting leaving clutch(while holding the accelerator in that position)..when the car starts moving hold both the positions of clutch and accel for like 3 seconds..then leave the clutch completely.

PS: Old cars may need a heavier foot on accelerator and same in case of inclined surface.

3) Change the gear with clutch press completely and foot of the accel. after the change, same thing which you do while starting...press accel leave clutch. Should result in a smooth change.

Its all on practice and time. The more you drive the better you get.
 
1) Stepping on clutch is not needed. Make a habit of checking if your car is in neutral before starting it.

2)One thing i notice everyone recommending is to slowly release the clutch. New drivers tend to release the clutch too slowly and by the time you are halfway through releasing the clutch, guy behind you honks and you lose it. You can actually release 3/4th of clutch. Then step on the accelerator and release the clutch slowly.

3) Try to change gears based on the sound that car makes. Just feel the revs and change gears

You just need some practice. Even experienced drivers face these when they drive cars other than theirs. Just give it some time. You should be fine.
 
letmein said:
Hi

I'm starting to learn to drive a car. I had signed up with a driving school and finished the course (7 classes of 1 hr each). I learnt on a Santro, the car I'm driving now is a Spark that already had 10,000 km on it.
2) I'm having trouble in getting the car to pick up when I have stopped, like on a red light. I put the gear in 1st from neutral, slowly release the clutch and press on the accelerator. 4 out of 10 times, the car jerks forward a bit and shuts off. What am I doing wrong?
You Should Push the accelerator juat a bit and partially release the cluth slowly till car starts moving and hold it there untill car is moving smoothly and then only u release it full. Everyone says release it slowly and the newbie releases it slowly but fully and the vehicle stalls, U need to release it in steps as said above. The comes the turn of accelearator.
 
About jerk, practice shifting gears in different road conditions like slopes, straight roads etc. Better if you practice it on slopes :) Little experience will teach you everything. Nothing to worry about it :)
 
To avoid jerks in signals try this:

Depress clutch and hold on to brake.

Start releasing clutch slightly.

At some point you will start feeling slight vibrations. You can now safely remove your right foot from brake. Car will not go back even on incline. Accelerate and release clutch completely. Practise this.

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letmein said:
1) While starting the car, i.e turning the key, should you press down on the clutch? The Santro would not start without pressing the clutch, but the Spark starts without pressing down on the clutch.

In some cars (like the Hyundai) pressing the clutch is required (even if the car is in neutral) and is touted as a safety feature. This ensures that the driver has no chance of starting the car with the clutch\gear engaged, hence reducing the company's and the owner's liability.

Many automakers recommend that you press the clutch when starting the vehicle even in neutral as it removes the load imposed by the clutch on the starter motor. Although, this point is likely moot, since car starter motors and electrical have become so resilient, they can take the slight load imposed by the clutch. It may be more applicable to higher BHP vehicles which have a more beefy clutch arrangement.

On a side note, in many automatic transmission vehicles you have to press the brake before you can start the engine.

letmein said:
2) I'm having trouble in getting the car to pick up when I have stopped, like on a red light. I put the gear in 1st from neutral, slowly release the clutch and press on the accelerator. 4 out of 10 times, the car jerks forward a bit and shuts off. What am I doing wrong?

As Ragzdiablo said, when you're starting out,first press the accelerator a little bit to get your revs up a bit (say to around the 1500 - 1800 rpm mark), then release the clutch until the vehicle starts moving. Its more important to release the clutch smoothly rather than slowly. In the case of a beginner, it is easier to release the clutch smoothly when its done slowly, hence the recommendation of doing it slowly, but smoothness is the key.

Don't let other people's insensitivity on the road rush you into getting the car moving. This is easier said than done, but will help you improve faster as you are paying attention to what you are doing as opposed to what others think of your skills. Once you get good behind the wheel, you will have plenty of time to think\rant about what A-holes most Indian drivers are :bleh:.

As you get more proficient with engaging the clutch from a stand still, you will start to notice a particular position where the clutch pedal actually causes the engine to engage with the gearbox. This is the 'biting point'. Getting more familiar with the biting point of your vehicle is key to being able to start the vehicle with less revs and spending less time releasing the clutch. But this only comes with practice\experience on your vehicle, and shouldn't be rushed. As someone else mentioned, this biting point is different on every vehicle (even two cars of the same model) and this causes even experienced drivers to stall the engine when driving someone else's car if they don't take the time to go through the initial steps of finding out where the biting point is.

letmein said:
3) Again, while switching gears like from 1->2 or 2->3, the car sometimes 'jerks' a bit. Should I take my foot completely off the clutch before accelerating?

This is tricky. I'd recommend you concentrate on this only after you sort out the basics like consistently being able to start the car without stalling, confidence in maneuvering the car through traffic, etc. But I will explain what is required for a smooth gear shift below, for future reference.

There is a correlation between the speed at which your wheels are turning and your engine RPM. This is determined by which gear you are in.

e.g. 30 kmph in 1st gear = 3000 rpm
30 kmph in 2nd gear = 2200 rpm.

Let us assume for simplicity's sake that when we shift gear our speed remains constant. When you press the clutch, the engine RPM falls until it reaches the idling RPM (say 800 rpm). After you shift gear and release the clutch the wheels are still rotating at 30 kmph, but your engine is rotating as if the car was not moving (i.e. idling). So now the engine has to 'catch up' to the wheels via the clutch until it reaches what 30kmph translates to in 2nd gear, i.e. 2200 rpm. This sudden change from 800 rpm to 2200 rpm is what is perceived as a jerk when shifting gears. This issue is even more pronounced when downshifting. In the above example, when downshifting from 2nd to 1st at 30kmph, the engine is first rotating @ 2200 rpm, drops down to 800 rpm and then has to shoot up to 3000 rpm once the clutch is fully released.

There are multiple ways to deal with this but all revolve around the same idea: Matching the wheel speed with the engine speed in as smooth a manner as possible.

1. Completing the gear shift as quickly as possible: If you complete the gear shifting process quickly, the engine has less time to drop in revs. The rate at which the revs drop when pressing the clutch differs from car to car, but in most cases, when up-shifting, you can release the clutch by the time the engine RPM falls to the speed its meant to be at after the shift. In the above example, when @ 30 kmph in 1st @ 3000 RPM, if you press the clutch, shift into second and release the clutch by the time the engine rpm falls to 2200 RPM, the shift will be seamless.

This method mainly applies to up-shifting, but it will also reduce the RPM differential during downshifts, hence making shifts relatively smoother.

2. Releasing the clutch slowly to smoothly translate wheel rotation to the engine: Supposing you're in a situation where you cannot shift the gear quickly enough for the RPM to match by the time you complete the shift. In this situation, if you slowly release the clutch, the engine will be given time to slowly speed up to match the rate at which the wheels are turning, hence resulting in a smoother shift.

Please note that this method if employed over extended periods of time will lead to premature clutch wear and shouldn't be used as the default method of attaining smooth shifts.

3. Rev-matching the engine using the accelerator before releasing the clutch: This method is the most fool-proof and applies to all shifting scenarios (up and down-shifting) but is also the most difficult to master.

First off, you need to know your vehicle well enough to know what RPM the engine will be at in the gear you are going to select at your current speed. Before you release the clutch after shifting gears, use the accelerator pedal to get the engine to this RPM before releasing the clutch. To start off with, your accelerator input doesn't have to be precise, since any amount acceleration will reduce the RPM differential between the wheels and engine hence resulting in a relatively smoother shift.
 
1) Keep a habit of engaging the car in gear when you stop (shut off the engine) and pull the Handbrake. While starting the car again, make it a point that your hand goes on the stick and pushes it into neutral. Keep the handbrake engaged, that way you dont have to worry about car rolling away. You wont need to push the clutch down if you are in neutral. Also, make sure when you start, dont give the key small twists, hold the twist till the engine fires up, that way you wont strain the starter motor or the battery. Also dont strain the motor by twisting the key for too long after the engine has started.

2) There's a simple trick with which i learnt to move without stalling. While you are tryin to getaway, disengage the handbrake and release the clutch until you notice the gearstick vibrating rapidly(with long oscillations). take your leg off the brake at that point, that way, your engine should deliver enough power to allow the car to roll without the accelerator pedal (if on a straight road) or prevent it from rolling back (if on a hill). If you're scared of the car rolling back, engage the handbrake while trying out the clutch. Once you see that the car is trying to move forward, disengage the handbrake and slightly feed it power and slowly take your leg off the clutch entirely. Another way is to slightly feed in power first and then do a half-clutch. but that's a rookie thing. Not a good habit.

3)when you disengage the clutch and shift gears, a sudden release of the pedal forces the car to engage suddenly and the car jerks, do a slow release of the clutch instead (not as slow as while you'd first let the car go, but slower than simply lifting your leg off it).

IMPORTANT TIP: dont push the clutch pedal in while braking. the car feeds in more fuel while holding the car in neutral. its a good practice to let the car roll without the accelerator pedal and brake until you reach really slow speeds and then push the clutch pedal. You'll save a lot of fuel that way. Happy driving. :-)
 
I too have a little problem and dont want to make a seperate thread unnecessarily for a small issue thats why asking you guys in this thread only. If there is someone with my post, i can delete it.

Problem: Suppose if i am on any slope and i need to reverse my car, and then after steering move it forward, i face a problem that just after the shifting to reverse gear, it really becomes a mess for me to take the car back because i have to quickly leave the brakes, then apply accelerator and simultaneously release the clutch. Any solution for this thing? Any tricks?
 
harshit143 said:
I too have a little problem and dont want to make a seperate thread unnecessarily for a small issue thats why asking you guys in this thread only. If there is someone with my post, i can delete it.

Problem: Suppose if i am on any slope and i need to reverse my car, and then after steering move it forward, i face a problem that just after the shifting to reverse gear, it really becomes a mess for me to take the car back because i have to quickly leave the brakes, then apply accelerator and simultaneously release the clutch. Any solution for this thing? Any tricks?

do this

srsriharsha said:
To avoid jerks in signals try this:
Depress clutch and hold on to brake.
Start releasing clutch slightly.
At some point you will start feeling slight vibrations. You can now safely remove your right foot from brake. Car will not go back even on incline. Accelerate and release clutch completely. Practise this.

Use the same technique will work perfectly provide u are reversing uphill... and when goin downhill u dont need to put the car in gear just keep it in neutral and let it go on its own...
 
harshit143 said:
I too have a little problem and dont want to make a seperate thread unnecessarily for a small issue thats why asking you guys in this thread only. If there is someone with my post, i can delete it.

Problem: Suppose if i am on any slope and i need to reverse my car, and then after steering move it forward, i face a problem that just after the shifting to reverse gear, it really becomes a mess for me to take the car back because i have to quickly leave the brakes, then apply accelerator and simultaneously release the clutch. Any solution for this thing? Any tricks?
Your query isn't clear but if it is something like the nose of the car is pointing down the slope, and you want to reverse up the slope, the process is similar to how you would start a stationary car. Depress clutch, change to reverse gear, gradually release clutch while still holding on to the brake until you feel that the gear has enough power to hold the vehicle stationary in that position - a simple test is that the car starts vibrating more - and then release the brake and move to the accelerator. Your car won't roll down as the clutch position is letting it be stationary.
 
I also have a little problem and don't want to make a separate thread. :P

I've learned to drive this year back in Feb. I drive smoothly on straight roads but i get baffled every time i face an uphill. Once i had to stop behind a Auto rickshaw and in front of a santro car on uphill, i hold on to a brake and when it was a time to move, i couldn't control the car as it started to move backwards after releasing the brakes. Before it would hit a car behind, i somehow managed to move the car forwards but throttled too much and was about to hit an auto rickshaw. :ashamed:. Thank god the hill was of short length and i somehow managed to cross it. Now, i always fear of not getting in this situation again while driving.

I would like to know how you guys stop the car and cruise it forward safely while driving up on a uphill and what is the best and easiest way to drive a car on an uphill?
 
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