News Lenovo plans to achieve 100% PC manufacturing in India in 3 years

[t3chg33k]

Make in India I believe still has only 30% local sourcing as per norms. These are mostly low tech spares or mechanical parts made by small scale industries, so there isn’t much high tech manufacturing happening here, which should be the focus.

Most of these manufacturing plants are simply assembly lines and it is indeed unfortunate that these are promoted as manufacturing facilities. It is still a good beginning as a trained workforce for even low skill jobs boosts employments and attracts other competitors, especially if India can somehow escape the brunt of Trump’s tariffs.

However, the program itself is flawed. I have purchased quite a few products that are basically the same as the AliExpress ones and traders are slapping Made in India labels on them while hiding all the import stickers which goes against the norms as well as intention. Similarly, you will find listings which clearly mention the manufacturer as a Shenzen unit and country of origin is listed as India.

 

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Just like @ibose I was taking about the products that they don't make here and still slap a made in India label on it, not just Samsung but also other companies and the reason is optics as they try to sell those products based on people's sentiments by posing as patriotic.

So can people now point out which phones sold by Samsung do this?

The only reason these companies are trying to set up assembly and sometimes manufacturing in India is that they find it cheaper to do so. If down the line it somehow becomes expensive and they find that it will be cheaper for them to manufacture in say Sri Lanka or Nepal, they wouldn't even wait for a heartbeat before packing up everything from here and setting up shop in those countries.

This is a hypothetical that doesn't apply or if you disagree give examples where it has already happened. Smaller countries can never compete with the sales Samsung enjoys here which is why their phones are cheaper here than in those countries.

Why build here instead of China? Because Samsung doesn't sell too many phones there and closed their last ever phone factory in China back in 2019. Isn't it cheaper to make phones in China?

My point remains ie. Samsung & LG have building phones here for a long time. The infamous Note 7 was already being made here when Tim Cook was complaining that they couldn't make higher end iPhones here. If the Koreans could figure it out these excuses from American companies are lame.

Quite frankly there is no excuse why laptops couldn't be made here much earlier. The Modi government put more of an emphasis and offered the necessary incentives (read coercion) than the previous UPA govt. And for that they deserve credit due.

 

[t3chg33k]

So can people now point out which phones sold by Samsung do this?

This is a hypothetical that doesn't apply or if you disagree give examples where it has already happened. Smaller countries can never compete with the sales Samsung enjoys here which is why their phones are cheaper here than in those countries.

Why build here instead of China? Because Samsung doesn't sell too many phones there and closed their last ever phone factory in China back in 2019. Isn't it cheaper to make phones in China?

My point remains ie. Samsung & LG have building phones here for a long time. The infamous Note 7 was already being made here when Tim Cook was complaining that they couldn't make higher end iPhones here. If the Koreans could figure it out these excuses from American companies are lame.

Quite frankly there is no excuse why laptops couldn't be made here much earlier. The Modi government put more of an emphasis and offered the necessary incentives (read coercion) than the previous UPA govt. And for that they deserve credit due.

This article does a good job of explaining Samsung's manufacturing setup.

Where are Samsung phones designed and made? The answer might surprise you

Have you ever wondered where your Samsung phone was made? Here are all the countries where Samsung makes and designs its devices.

www.androidauthority.com

 

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This article does a good job of explaining Samsung's manufacturing setup.

Where are Samsung phones designed and made? The answer might surprise you

Have you ever wondered where your Samsung phone was made? Here are all the countries where Samsung makes and designs its devices.

www.androidauthority.com

Some of the quotes from my posts use this article as the source

But it doesn't address the main point of contention. Phones being labelled as made in but coming from elsewhere. So I've filled that gap.

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[Kaching999]

So can people now point out which phones sold by Samsung do this?

Again brother I am not talking about only phones or only particularly Samsung phones. I am taking about other companies also.

Also does samsung have a semiconductor fabrication unit in India?

Do they manufacture their camera lenses in India?

Do they manufacture their displays in India?

Most of the manufacturing that they do here is for batteries, remote controls for their televisions, touch function boards, chargers etc. They also import most of the major components and that is totally fine. They don't do most of the manufacturing for their higher end flagships here but instead just assemble them here and still mark it as manufactured in India, while they are only assembled here.

This is a hypothetical that doesn't apply

Are you really saying that a private company wouldn't prioritize profits? Also samsung's market share in the Indian market has been declining in the past few years. In Q2 2020 they had about 26% and in Q2 2024 that dropped to about 13%.

If the Koreans could figure it out these excuses from American companies are lame.

I explained this in my earlier post:

Samsung and LG have competitive because they have been manufacturing here for a longer time. Also I suspect it has something to do with them shipping most of their manufacturing equipment from South Korea instead of China and because of Foxconn and hence Apple's reliance on China for it's equipment, they face much more trouble in dealing with the government

And for that they deserve credit due.

I agree we are in a much better position than we used to be and they do deserve credit, but they can do a much better job if they push for the manufacturing of more advanced parts here itself. We need to start somewhat competing in the semiconductor buisness.

 

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Again brother I am not talking about only phones or only particularly Samsung phones.

I was challenged specifically on Samsung phones.

Also does samsung have a semiconductor fabrication unit in India?

Do they manufacture their camera lenses in India?

Do they manufacture their displays in India?

Most of the manufacturing that they do here is for batteries, remote controls for their televisions, touch function boards, chargers etc. They also import most of the major components and that is totally fine.

This will continue as long as it remains cheaper to build abroad for certain components. There is a lot of specialised skills as well as manufacturing capability required here.

They don't do most of the manufacturing for their higher end flagships here but instead just assemble them here and still mark it as manufactured in India, while they are only assembled here.

This is the case with all factories outside Korea isn't it. This situation isn't unique for India.

Are you really saying that a private company wouldn't prioritize profits? Also samsung's market share in the Indian market has been declining in the past few years. In Q2 2020 they had about 26% and in Q2 2024 that dropped to about 13%.

If their market share in India were to halve again they will streamline their operations here.

 

[lockhrt999]

@blr_p It's irrelevant what serial numbers say when the actual final polished product says NOT made in India.

Product 1: Samsung Buds2 Pro​

What the box says:​

What the actual product says:​

Conclusion:​

Only packing boxes, stickers, printing are made in India.

Product 2: Samsung Watch4 classic​

I have 2 of these. It's the same story with the other as well.

What the box says:​

What the actual product says:​

Conclusion:​

Only packing boxes, stickers, printing are made in India.

Product 3: Samsung S25 Ultra​

What the box says:​

I don't have it in front of me right now. You can watch Indian YouTube unboxing videos. The box has multiple stickers and prints written as Made in India. Exactly as above.

What the actual product says:​

Well, the phone came with "a sticker" saying Made in India. It's a sticker. That's the India's biggest contribution. If India could build the mobile here, I guess India certainly had the expertise to laser print 'Made in India' we well. Why put a sticker like narrow gally wala wholesaler?

There's nothing written on the mobile otherwise.

But the spare parts it came with,

Talking about that USB-C cable, I have never seen such a low-quality cable before. Reddit agrees. 10k Chinese phones come with higher quality cable.

Conclusion:​

Only packing boxes, stickers, printing, and USB-C cable are made in India.

Summary:​

• Samsung knows its demographics are gullible. It's usually the people blinded by patriotism. If products were actually made in India, then why Indians have to pay the highest price for Samsung items?
• What does Samsung do?
  • They print 'made in India' in bold letters multiple times on packaging. You'll find it hard to miss. It's so much in your face.
  • But where it matters the most, the actual freaking product, the laser print of 'made in Vietnam' is so frigging small and in so little contrast, that you would never know that something is even actually written there. You have to read it through a lens. I had to take the above shots of products in macro mode under intense light. That's the only way to read 'Made in Vietnam'.
• Samsung gets away with this scam because our Govt has enabled them. Inspired by Nehruvian protectionist policies, our Govt restricts foreign brands with high tariffs. But if the same brand opens a workshop in India just to tighten the final screw in their products, they are given PLI and tariffs are reduced by a significant margin.
• And, it's not just Samsung, all business do it. Even the Indian brands like Tata Mahindra. Adding the "Made in India" tag is like half of the marketing done right then and there. It's the only way to go in India.

 

[Kaching999]

This is the case with all factories outside Korea isn't it. This situation isn't unique for India.

And I don't have a problem with that, what is wrong is their marketing, they should label it as assembled in India, and the same goes for elsewhere.

If their market share in India were to halve again they will streamline their operations here.

I agree but what I don't know is how, like what would they have to do?

@blr_p It's irrelevant what serial numbers say when the actual final polished product says NOT made in India.

Product 1: Samsung Buds2 Pro​

What the box says:​

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What the actual product says:​

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Conclusion:​

Only packing boxes, stickers, printing are made in India.

Product 2: Samsung Watch4 classic​

I have 2 of these. It's the same story with the other as well.

What the box says:​

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What the actual product says:​

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Conclusion:​

Only packing boxes, stickers, printing are made in India.

Product 3: Samsung S25 Ultra​

What the box says:​

I don't have it in front of me right now. You can watch Indian YouTube unboxing videos. The box has multiple stickers and prints written as Made in India. Exactly as above.

What the actual product says:​

Well, the phone came with "a sticker" saying Made in India. It's a sticker. That's the India's biggest contribution. If India could build the mobile here, I guess India certainly had the expertise to laser print 'Made in India' we well. Why put a sticker like narrow gally wala wholesaler?

There's nothing written on the mobile.

But the spare parts it came with,
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Talking about that USB-C cable, I have never seen such a low-quality cable before. Reddit agrees. 10k Chinese phones come with higher quality cable.

Conclusion:​

Only packing boxes, stickers, printing, and USB-C cable are made in India.

Summary:​

• Samsung knows its demographics are gullible. It's usually the people blinded by patriotism. If products were actually made in India, then why Indians have to pay the highest price for Samsung items?
• What does Samsung do?
  • They print 'made in India' in bold letters multiple times on packaging. You'll find it hard to miss. It's so much in your face.
  • But where it matters the most, the actual freaking product, the laser print of 'made in Vietnam' is so frigging small and in so little contrast, that you would never know that something is even actually written there. You have to read it through a lens. I had to take the above shots of products in macro mode under intense light. That's the only way to read 'Made in Vietnam'.
• Samsung gets away with this scam because our Govt has enabled them. Inspired by Nehruvian protectionist policies, our Govt restricts foreign brands with high tariffs. But if the same brand opens a workshop in India just to tighten the final screw in their products, they are given PLI and tariffs are reduced by a significant margin.
• And, it's not just Samsung, all business do it. Adding the "Made in India" tag is like half of the marketing done right then and there. It's the only way to go in India.

This. Samsung has been putting made in India labels on their watches and buds as well but they are clearly not.

 

[lockhrt999]

I agree but what I don't know is how, like what would they have to do?

They won't have to. In 5 years, Samsung will be the next Sony-Nokia. They have stopped innovating. And funnily, they know about it.

S25 Ultra—the world's most expensive mainstream phone—has its ass beat up by Chinese companies in every freaking department.

 

[Kaching999]

They won't have to. In 5 years, Samsung will be the next Sony-Nokia. They have stopped innovating. And funnily, they know about it.

S25 Ultra—the world's most expensive mainstream phone—has its ass beat up by Chinese companies in every freaking department.

I agree the innovation has stopped instead they have sort of downgraded the hardware imo. But still their service and software is much better than others.

 

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@blr_p It's irrelevant what serial numbers say when the actual final polished product says NOT made in India.

I'm referring to phones. Where does one find that for a phone? Nowhere hence the serial.

When the topic is about laptops my mind thinks of phones not peripherals.
You have broadened it to other cheaper products which isn't that important as the phones like laptops are the high value item here.

Only packing boxes, stickers, printing are made in India.

You have shown peripherals so far which I have already admitted as not made in India.

Product 3: Samsung S25 Ultra What the box says:

I don't have it in front of me right now.

Well if you have the phone at hand then I've mentioned how to find the serial number from the phone itself

You can watch Indian YouTube unboxing videos.

See below

The box has multiple stickers and prints written as Made in India. Exactly as above.

I don't care for the stickers. I've shown you how to find the country code since phones don't come with the same info on the product as the peripherals. Right?

What the actual product says:
Well, the phone came with "a sticker" saying Made in India. It's a sticker. That's the India's biggest contribution. If India could build the mobile here, I guess India certainly had the expertise to laser print 'Made in India' we well. Why put a sticker like narrow gally wala wholesaler?

There's nothing written on the mobile otherwise.

Exactly, hence why you need to look at the serial number to verify where it was made.

My S23 has an Indian country code therefore it was made in India.

My S20FE has an Indian country code therefore it was made in India.

Both are high value items.

What is the country code of your S25U as mentioned in the serial not what the box says

Summary:

• Samsung knows its demographics are gullible...

^This was not necessary.

Just check the serial and tell us the country code. The reviewer below has the same phone and its made in India

I've already told you two of my phones are made in India.

I don't see why your ultra will not be. Unless you got it from abroad for less

And that pretty much proves my point when it comes to phones.

There is no lying going on here as you insinuate with phones.

I agree the innovation has stopped instead they have sort of downgraded the hardware imo. But still their service and software is much better than others.

And he too went with the S25U despite what he said

This. Samsung has been putting made in India labels on their watches and buds as well but they are clearly not.

I've been talking about phones. Not anything else

 

[Kaching999]

You have broadened it to other cheaper products which isn't that important as the phones like laptops are the high value item here.

You can't just say it doesn't matter, be it something cheaper or more expensive it is still manipulation and lies. That is just moving the goalpost.

 

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Not on the box but one guy showed the about phone

Can clearly see the 'ZC' in the serial number.

Hence made in India. That is why the serial number is required for phones

I rest my case

 

[Kaching999]

made in India

Assembled

 

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Assembled

They don't use that term. Same will apply to laptops

The case that was being made is printed information did not match what was on the product of earbuds & watches. And then implying without proving that this also applies to phones.

Well, it does not. There is no faking country of origin when it comes to Samsungs phones

 

[Kaching999]

There is no faking country of origin when it comes to Samsungs phones

Agreed country where the phone was Assembled.

 

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Agreed country where the phone was Assembled.

So no lying when it comes to phones.

Correct?

 

[Kaching999]

So no lying when it comes to phones.

Correct?

Lying no. Manipulation yes.

 

[bssunilreddy]

Not on the box but one guy showed the about phone View attachment 226324

Can clearly see the 'ZC' in the serial number.

Hence made in India. That is why the serial number is required for phones

I rest my case

How to know about Realme phones based on their serial number?
Mine is Realme 11 Pro+ bought in 2023,June.

 

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How to know about Realme phones based on their serial number?
Mine is Realme 11 Pro+ bought in 2023,June.

You will have to Google how to decode the serial number of Realme phone.