PC Peripherals logitech 5500

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Ok thanks for inputs:) :) ……from ur practical experience I’m able to conclude that with DD LIVE & DTS connect “surround†was better than audigy & whole setup was easier to manage & was clutter free

But again I would go back to where I started bcoz. IMO clarity & surround over analog is largely dependent upon drivers as well as software which are sometimes not optimized …….:( :(

I would like to see a comparison between DD LIVE & DTS connect v/s analog of good soundcard anything better than audigy like good old revo or say likes of prelude which have better DAC’s :)
 
^^Better DACs, better soundcard, better analog cables can of course yeild better sound. But than for the same comparison Component out can yield better results than HDMI in some cases. But when all things considered equal the benefits of HDMI and TOSLINK exceed their analog counterparts!
 
techcheat said:
But than for the same comparison Component out can yield better results than HDMI in some cases. But when all things considered equal the benefits of HDMI and TOSLINK exceed their analog counterparts!
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but i think there is a fundamental difference out there........ LCD's are fundamentally digital so HDMI(DVI-D) means business there whereas speaker drivers are analog by nature:) :)

so if the DAC on soundcard is better than the one in Digital receiver, Analogue connection is a better choice:) :)
 
vivekbabbudelhi said:
but i think there is a fundamental difference out there........ LCD's are fundamentally digital so HDMI(DVI-D) means business there whereas speaker drivers are analog by nature:) :)

so if the DAC on soundcard is better than the one in Digital receiver, Analogue connection is a better choice:) :)
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Toslink has 0 quality loss during signal transmission. If the signal got there in one piece, it's at it's highest possible quality. It is completely immune to picking up 60 cycle hum (although the non-optical components can still get it), and can't carry magnetism, It is also far clearer than analog.
It can also carry more than 2 channels, such as Dolby Digital in 5.1 via a single cable.

Secondaly, you will be suprised to know that spcly over longer distance a component out is better than HDMI. Also as far as I remember reading, digital signals also do need some conversion, so its not as simple as saying that LCDs are digital so HDMI is better.
 
ok...toslink connection is definitely better until we have to transmit audio over a distance but i think we were talking here in respect to loggy decoder & pc

as far as i know (i was also a big fan of z5500's in past:) ) digital inputs on z 5500 were not even designed to be used with decent pc soundcards. Digital inputs on z 5500 were designed to be used with DVD players, HTS, consoles where quality of DAC over analog is susceptible….

Until analog cable wires are small i think there is no loss of signal or interference that a “consumer equipment can ever discover with a good soundcard"
 
vivekbabbudelhi said:
ok...toslink connection is definitely better until we have to transmit audio over a distance but i think we were talking here in respect to loggy decoder & pc

as far as i know (i was also a big fan of z5500's in past:) ) digital inputs on z 5500 were not even designed to be used with decent pc soundcards. Digital inputs on z 5500 were designed to be used with DVD players, HTS, consoles where quality of DAC over analog is susceptible….

Until analog cable wires are small i think there is no loss of signal or interference that a “consumer equipment can ever discover with a good soundcard"
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dude you are talking about theoretical yes and nos, and I am talking from experience of owning a quality sound card, Z5500 and having connected them with both analog and toslink. I am telling from experience, not just to discuss for a sake of argument. Agreed better dacs, lower snr etc, could lead to better quality... but than you can never advise based on exceptions. All things equal, I still say its way better to go with digital, its the future of the format anyways.
 
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I would recommend the listener to judge what way suits him ……..analog or dts connect with loggy decoder bcoz. one mans music maybe other mans noise ….but beware for analog use anything starting from M-AUDIO revolution 5.1 as this card has AKM 4358 DAC of a higher quality .The same DAC is installed in professional cards like juli@ & audiophile 192 and “no more theory here I have myself listened this card on loggy z5300 ……z 5300 sounded good but lacked clarity in comparison to my MX5021…..do pair a MX5021 with a EMU0404 then only we realize the potential of MX5021…….ohh I’m off topic nowâ€

Btw. For dts connect nowadays Realtek has come up with onboard ALC898A codec with DTS connect with optical connection but time would only tell about “jitters†;)

Cheers have happy comparisons:)
 
techcheat said:
Toslink has 0 quality loss during signal transmission. If the signal got there in one piece, it's at it's highest possible quality. It is completely immune to picking up 60 cycle hum (although the non-optical components can still get it), and can't carry magnetism, It is also far clearer than analog.

It can also carry more than 2 channels, such as Dolby Digital in 5.1 via a single cable.
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First of all Toslink has significant amounts of jitter added at the source... especially in consumer soundcards. Why does this happen? Cos there's no clock signal to sync the source and the receiver over toslink/spdif. Infact toslink is even more prone to jitter than spdif. So saying that toslink has zero quality loss is plain bs. Infact in my system, I can hear the sound signature changing when I put cheapo plastic toslink cables.

To get the best out of Toslink you need jitter rejection circuitry in your DAC or Receiver. Also you need high quality glass toslink cables. Typically all good DACs have a buffer to reclock the signal when it is received. Unfortunately most consumer level Receivers and certainly the z5500 doesnt possess this. Clock jitter is a bigger problem than electrical hum on analog cables. Plus if you get active shielded speaker cables and interconnects, then the problem of electrical interference is non existent. However these are expensive. Infact the cables themselves will be more expensive than the z5500 :rofl:

When SPDIF/Toslink carries more than stereo, lossy compression is used. While when using analog, there is no compression. Connect a sensitive transducer and its very easy to spot the difference.
 
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