News MacBook Pro 14 and MacBook Pro 16 with new processors released

Apple is calling the event 'Unleashed' and its expected that they would be demonstrating the true power of their new silicon which they introduced in the lower end MacBooks. Calling them lower end would not be accurate given how they outperformed the beefier Intel processors. So much so that Intel went scrambling in desperation to release a series of ads showing how non-apple laptops are better, not once comparing the actual performance of Intel vs Apple silicon.

The MacBook Pro laptops are also supposed to redesigned around the new processors which are extremely energy efficient thus leading to a more compact design. The screen bezels are supposed to even thinner than they are in the 16" MacBook Pro and introduce a new MacBook screen size of 14" instead of the regular 13" size. The displays are expected to be mini LED with higher resolutions.

The base models on the new processor, to be called M1X or M2, are supposed to start with 16GB RAM and 512GB storage. The processors themselves will get a bump up from 4 performance cores to 10 performance cores and 16 graphic cores from the 8 graphic cores. The cores are expected to run at a higher frequency. No wonder the event is being called Unleashed and Intel is scared out of their wits.

There are also rumours that the Touch Bar will go away in favor of regular function keys and we will have more variety of ports than just USBC ports currently available. A return to MagSafe charging is also expected.

All this however will likely cost 1,74,000 for the starting model here in India and would price it way out of reach for most of us.

Personally I would prefer that they introduce the redesigned chassis in the current base MacBook Pro model and take it from 13" to 14" with the current M1 processor in the market. I would happily take that model with a 16GB RAM option to replace my ageing MacBook 12. Had been saving every month for past 2 years for this day.

 

[jayanttyagi]

People underestimate the importance of a reliable operating system on phones, the good thing about iOS in general is nothing ever changes drastically, once you learn how things work, you never ever have to re-learn it, no matter how many times you change your iPhone to next models. It stays the same. For something to stay the same and work reliably it has to be done right in the first place.

It's not the same with android, things keep changing too fast, it like they don't wanna settle something for once and for all. Menu systems keeps changing, people forgetting where that one particular setting is when they change their phone from one company to another. It's not the users fault, it's the lack of ecosystem. An ecosystem on which one can depend upon.

My wife is not a tech savvy person, but she is using an iPhone from the last 8 years, she now knows the iOS inside out to the point where she even knows it's quirks and how to get around it. It's like it is a part of her life now, somewhat like an extension, because of one reason it never changes drastically and because of it her workflow never stops. For her entire remaining life she has this phone thing sorted out, she doesn't need to look into any other phone ever again, she know if it's an iPhone it will get the job done.

For example even after 30 years from now whatever iPhone she will have at that point, she knows that all she has to do to track my location is go to the find my app, and there I am and my live location. We don't have to mess with this setting or any kind of permissions ever again because we know we set this up once and it will work every time. All we have do is whatever iPhones we get in future we just have to login with our own apple IDs and that's it, all the settings get sync'd.

There are countless magical things like these on iOS which people don't know, and most importantly how much time it actually saves. The model of the iPhone actually is not that important, it's the ecosystem.

There are plenty of things that iPhone just can't do and you'll need to open up your computer. Whereas in Android you can do the same thing easily. Hell you can't even transfer simple files from iPhone to other devices easily. What job done. Your wife must be very basic user.

 

[rsaeon]

There are plenty of things that iPhone just can't do and you'll need to open up your computer. Whereas in Android you can do the same thing easily. Hell you can't even transfer simple files from iPhone to other devices easily.

That might have been true ten years ago but not anymore. You just need the the right apps and a change of workflow.

The only time I've ever connected an Apple device to a computer in the last 5+ years is for a manual backup before a full wipe/reset. And only because it's faster over USB vs WiFi.

For mobile computing, iOS is very capable — ssh, coding, rdp is all better/faster on an iPad than grabbing a laptop when I get a random itch to fix/check something while in bed.

But it requires a fundamental change in how/what your computing workflows are, and most people are unable to break out of the file-system centric approach they grew up using on desktop operating systems.

 

[superczar]

But it requires a fundamental change in how/what your computing workflows are, and most people are unable to break out of the file-system centric approach they grew up using on desktop operating systems.

In some sense , even the last bit is not true.
As much as I love the metadata centric approach that Apple takes (vs the age-old hierarchical filesystem model), there are several workflows that still do need that.

And this is where it gets interesting -you can setup your home folders (desktop/ docs etc) for perpetual sync between my laptop, desktop, tablet and Phone so that everything is always available on well, everything. with literally zero effort except the 2 mins it would taken to enable this years ago.

And for the times I do need to use windows, while I can't have the windows desktop/ document folders be the same ...but the same data set is still available in a separate set of folders on windows. Slightly clunkier but still usable.
This is probably the bit I miss the most when I use other operating systems.

 

[hellblazer33]

That might have been true ten years ago but not anymore. You just need the the right apps and a change of workflow.

The only time I've ever connected an Apple device to a computer in the last 5+ years is for a manual backup before a full wipe/reset. And only because it's faster over USB vs WiFi.

For mobile computing, iOS is very capable — ssh, coding, rdp is all better/faster on an iPad than grabbing a laptop when I get a random itch to fix/check something while in bed.

But it requires a fundamental change in how/what your computing workflows are, and most people are unable to break out of the file-system centric approach they grew up using on desktop operating systems.

I dont agree with this when iphone it is not even the workflow it has to do with features but iphone is a closed system than android I agree it works well mostly for computing as a phone but sinch its not open as android you will struggle in advanced tasks on it, iphone is best If you do only basic few things on phone(NF,Check social media) and it does it flawlessly and its not about workflow Remeber few years ago there was no cloud on iphone and everything was locally stored. I bought around 1000 songs from itunes that time and they are all gone.

 

[desiibond]

What kind of advanced tasks are you thinking of? Can you give some examples. I do all basic things you mention. I extensively use it for productivity (take teams calls on phone, do code reviews from phone, run Azure pipelines from phone, setup meetings, edit documents). I have setup automations (one key one is to change layout of phone and setup focus mode the moment I am near my office campus and revert the moment I leave office campus, also automation is enabled to enable personal mode from 6pm till 8am). I am still very lazy and I have seen people setup crazy level automations without needing to install a third party app.

PS: I am not challenging your thought. Just asking to know about those advanced things.

 

[Heisen]

Hell you can't even transfer simple files from iPhone to other devices easily.

It's as easy as plugging your regular pendrive or USB based SSD to iPhone with ordinary OTG adapter. You can transfer files, no app needed.

You can transfer any files easily using itunes, in windows PC, without doing any syncing stuff, straight drag and drop.

You can also transfer files wirelessly without itunes by connecting it directly to your PC, over local network, you don't need to install any app on the iPhone. The regular files app has "connect to server" option, where you just enter your PC username and password, you can access it's shared folders and transfer files both ways.

The file transfer gateway opens up even further when you start including apps from the app store.

There are plenty of things that iPhone just can't do and you'll need to open up your computer. Whereas in Android you can do the same thing easily.

Can you list those things, so we can see what are the top 1% advance users are doing on their phones?

 

[jayanttyagi]

That might have been true ten years ago but not anymore. You just need the the right apps and a change of workflow.

The only time I've ever connected an Apple device to a computer in the last 5+ years is for a manual backup before a full wipe/reset. And only because it's faster over USB vs WiFi.

For mobile computing, iOS is very capable — ssh, coding, rdp is all better/faster on an iPad than grabbing a laptop when I get a random itch to fix/check something while in bed.

But it requires a fundamental change in how/what your computing workflows are, and most people are unable to break out of the file-system centric approach they grew up using on desktop operating systems.

My Android phone can also do ssh coding and rdp. And we are talking about iPhone here. Non plus/max screen is so small for these things you have mentioned. There is no USP of a standalone iPhone imo. Apart from camera which again if you buy s23 or up Android will be very similar.

It's as easy as plugging your regular pendrive or USB based SSD to iPhone with ordinary OTG adapter. You can transfer files, no app needed.

You can transfer any files easily using itunes, in windows PC, without doing any syncing stuff, straight drag and drop.

You can also transfer files wirelessly without itunes by connecting it directly to your PC, over local network, you don't need to install any app on the iPhone. The regular files app has "connect to server" option, where you just enter your PC username and password, you can access it's shared folders and transfer files both ways.


Can you list those things, so we can see what are the top 1% advance users are doing on their phones?

No I am not listing ofcourse.
And yes there are work arounds of everything but its too much work. With usb c iPhones things have become easier but yeah IPHONE just lacks functionality I've been used to. No full file manager, no sideloading(that eu thing doesn't count). Feature such as always on missing on base models. Still stuck on 60hz. No yt revanced like apps etc.

Anyways I am unsubing this thread. Don't have time for listening to apple fan bois. iOS just takes longer to do things. Even switching off wifi fully is a long flow xD.

 

[Heisen]

And yes there are work arounds of everything but its too much work. With usb c iPhones things have become easier but yeah IPHONE just lacks functionality I've been used to. No full file manager, no sideloading(that eu thing doesn't count). Feature such as always on missing on base models. Still stuck on 60hz. No yt revanced like apps etc.

Anyways I am unsubing this thread. Don't have time for listening to apple fan bois. iOS just takes longer to do things. Even switching off wifi fully is a long flow xD.

There is a full file manager by default. What are you doing in your file manager? Very curious to find out.

Sideloading - what are you sideloading? Let me guess third party apps which gets you the paid stuff for free, like youtube vanced?

Even switching off wifi fully is a long flow xD.

There is a reason it is designed that way, let me know if you want to hear it.

Anyways I am unsubing this thread. Don't have time for listening to apple fan bois.

You probably won't be able to, and you know it.

People here are not fan bois, they have used both the products android and iOS extensively in their life and they settled on iPhone, if you ask them, they will tell a very believable reason why they landed on iPhones.

 

[rsaeon]

Don't have time for listening to apple fan bois.

This is something I don't understand with some people.

Clearly, you're not an Apple customer/user so you have no interest in finding workable solutions for any specific issue — but you still feel the need to point and laugh and deride other people's purchasing decisions?

Why bother? Why are you so invested in voicing dislike for something that has absolutely no bearing in your day-to-day life?

Do Apple users come and smack you with a soggy banana in the face when you're outside with your Android phone?

Where does this negative projection come from?

Those are rhetorical questions by the way, since we're both wasting time here, ha.

And we are talking about iPhone here. Non plus/max screen is so small for these things you have mentioned.

There's barely any difference between smaller iPhones and large ones in terms of UI density, and this is a valid criticism of the larger iPhones.

iOS needs to improve in this area because it does not make the best use of larger displays.

My Android phone can also do ssh coding and rdp. There is no USP of a standalone iPhone imo. Apart from camera which again if you buy s23 or up Android will be very similar.

Why does any device need a USP? Buy what you like. Don't judge others because they prefer pulao over biryani.

My main device is a Redmi something under 20k, my secondary device is an iPhone that I paid an obscene amount of money for. I use both daily and only prefer the Android because I'm very particular about the color science I want in my photos — the Redmi has the Leica camera app pulled from a Xiaomi something. I don't even have a sim in the iPhone, but I prefer it for actual productivity like photo editing. I take photos on Android, and edit on Apple. That's just my preference, I don't care if you edit on Android or shoot on Apple. Neither should you.

Anyways I am unsubing this thread.

If you ever need help in getting a particular workflow done on Apple, then you know there are members here who are willing to help out.

you will struggle in advanced tasks on it

I'm genuinely curious, can you name any computing task that is difficult or impossible to do on an iPhone, but relatively easy on Android?

Remeber few years ago there was no cloud on iphone and everything was locally stored. I bought around 1000 songs from itunes that time and they are all gone.

Your purchases should be tied to your Apple account, if you lost access to the account then you'd lose everything you've purchased on that account. I don't listen to music or watch tv/movies so I've not made any media purchases, but all my other purchases are still on my Apple account that's over ten years old now.

 

[desiibond]

This is something I don't understand with some people.

Clearly, you're not an Apple customer/user so you have no interest in finding workable solutions for any specific issue — but you still feel the need to point and laugh and deride other people's purchasing decisions?

Why bother? Why are you so invested in voicing dislike for something that has absolutely no bearing in your day-to-day life?

Do Apple users come and smack you with a soggy banana in the face when you're outside with your Android phone?

Where does this negative projection come from?

Those are rhetorical questions by the way, since we're both wasting time here, ha.

Bhai he is saying 'ssh coding and rdp' without even knowing that there is official application to connect to remote desktops and is fully supported. He also does not know the level of integration there is between iOS and MacOS. I really want to know what is 'ssh coding'

Some people just want to vent it out without understanding that there is huge majority of people who never need to side load app, who never have a need to break security on phone to install pirated stuff. They simply do not understand the user base that sticks to a particular platform and it applies to both sides. I have seen idiots in Apple camp who still think that everyone who uses Windows is a n00b and is using something like Win 95. I have seen idiots in Linux camp who think that one should move to Linux to use free software, that Windows is restricted.

Can you list those things, so we can see what are the top 1% advance users are doing on their phones?

Install YT Vanced and watch reaction and home influencer videos.

 

[rsaeon]

The sideloading argument is nonsensical — what kind of productivity do you get out of sideloading? Do people spend time on their phones and say "I sideloaded 20 apps today, I was very productive."

Does it matter how you show up to work? Whether you took a bus, hired a taxi, or chartered a private jet? You've made it to the office just like everyone else.

Once the app is on your device, who cares about how it got there? Now do something useful with the app, isn't that where the real work/productivity is?

 

[desiibond]

The sideloading argument is nonsensical — what kind of productivity do you get out of sideloading? Do people spend time on their phones and say "I sideloaded 20 apps today, I was very productive."

Does it matter how you show up to work? Whether you took a bus, hired a taxi, or chartered a private jet? You've made it to the office just like everyone else.

Once the app is on your device, who cares about how it got there? Now do something useful with the app, isn't that where the real work/productivity is?

Yeah. It's like saying one should not buy laptops because one can easily change any part in desktop.

 

[hellblazer33]

Your purchases should be tied to your Apple account, if you lost access to the account then you'd lose everything you've purchased on that account. I don't listen to music or watch tv/movies so I've not made any media purchases, but all my other purchases are still on my Apple account that's over ten years old now.

No bro I have only one and using the same apple account from the start This thing is what I am telling you around 2017 I purchased songs from itunes later after 1 year I had to empty my storage so deleted it and now I cant find the purchased songs its all empty lost so much money. Of course now they recently introduced cloud storage and now purchased songs are synched with icloud and account

I'm genuinely curious, can you name any computing task that is difficult or impossible to do on an iPhone, but relatively easy on Android?

connecting to pc, transferring photos and videos, compatibility with file extensions are some restrictions on ios

 

[superczar]

No bro I have only one and using the same apple account from the start This thing is what I am telling you around 2017 I purchased songs from itunes later after 1 year I had to empty my storage so deleted it and now I cant find the purchased songs its all empty lost so much money. Of course now they recently introduced cloud storage and now purchased songs are synched with icloud and account

connecting to pc, transferring photos and videos, compatibility with file extensions are some restrictions on ios

All Purchases are linked to the apple ID..has been since pretty much the start.
I have Purchases from the 2000s still linked to my apple id.

Icloud has been there since the early 2010s and it's not recent either.
Something else is off in your case.

 

[kiran6680]

Can you list those things, so we can see what are the top 1% advance users are doing on their phones?

Ok, I've not been keeping in touch with iOS advancements, but for about 10 years I'm doing these things with Android, which seemed impossible with iOS those days :

1. I've been using kernel level (IPtables) firewall to prevent a huge majority of apps (inbuilt as well as installed apps) from accessing internet completely. And for LAN networking apps like VNC, SSH, RDP etc. I stop them from going beyond LAN.*

2. I store "contacts" in my phone, but not as official contacts list but in another app. During incoming calls, my special contacts are just overlaid on top of incoming calls screen so I know who is calling, but the OS and contact-reading-apps know nothing. This is because many apps read contacts and try to steal my "connections" information to see whom I am connected to. This includes the highest tier of software companies, which will easily pass Apple's or even NSA's scrutiny.

3. iOS charged developers yearly $100 if I remember correctly, whereas Android charged one time $25. Open source apps by themselves don't get us much, but an app with vibrant community gives assurance that shady things are not happening without being noticed. So the community with Android apps used to be much much more vibrant than on iOS, where app developers used to go just to make money.
Software is like s*x - free is insanely better than paid. For the same 2 reasons
A. Payment for such intimate relationships like software and human body just doesn't work.
B. Viruses.
And despos do go for paid, but the "free" enthusiasts look down upon them in both the cases. Not sure why only one of them is illegal in lots of jurisdictions.

4. I do succumb to pressure to install stupid games / apps for kids, while not having enough time to research. And employers have forced me to install spyware like Whatsapp, Skype, Salesforce to "keep in touch". It used to be trivial to let the spyware run only until I need, and then stop them from being able to run however hard they try. This was using chmod, work profile, etc.

Has iOS improved in these regards ?

The sideloading argument is nonsensical — what kind of productivity do you get out of sideloading? Do people spend time on their phones and say "I sideloaded 20 apps today, I was very productive."

That's not how you measure it. Twice in about 15 years of using Android, I've "sideloaded" apps but then I used those apps for about 6 years, so the productivity is 6/15 = 40%, rather than 2/(365.27*15) = 3.65 * 10^(-2) %.
Both the times it was the question of power. Once the app was kicked out from Play Store due to Google's policies, and once app developer didn't want to pay the 30% commission to Google. Both the times I paid separately to the app developer, they gave me the APK, that I sideloaded. And yes, pirated versions of the app were available both the times, but I didn't get those.

* Even on Android, for some years I've been unable to force apps to go through my VPN in certain situations.

 

[desiibond]

Ok, I've not been keeping in touch with iOS advancements, but for about 10 years I'm doing these things with Android, which seemed impossible with iOS those days :

1. I've been using kernel level (IPtables) firewall to prevent a huge majority of apps (inbuilt as well as installed apps) from accessing internet completely. And for LAN networking apps like VNC, SSH, RDP etc. I stop them from going beyond LAN.*

2. I store "contacts" in my phone, but not as official contacts list but in another app. During incoming calls, my special contacts are just overlaid on top of incoming calls screen so I know who is calling, but the OS and contact-reading-apps know nothing. This is because many apps read contacts and try to steal my "connections" information to see whom I am connected to. This includes the highest tier of software companies, which will easily pass Apple's or even NSA's scrutiny.

3. iOS charged developers yearly $100 if I remember correctly, whereas Android charged one time $25. Open source apps by themselves don't get us much, but an app with vibrant community gives assurance that shady things are not happening without being noticed. So the community with Android apps used to be much much more vibrant than on iOS, where app developers used to go just to make money.
Software is like s*x - free is insanely better than paid. For the same 2 reasons
A. Payment for such intimate relationships like software and human body just doesn't work.
B. Viruses.
And despos do go for paid, but the "free" enthusiasts look down upon them in both the cases. Not sure why only one of them is illegal in lots of jurisdictions.

4. I do succumb to pressure to install stupid games / apps for kids, while not having enough time to research. And employers have forced me to install spyware like Whatsapp, Skype, Salesforce to "keep in touch". It used to be trivial to let the spyware run only until I need, and then stop them from being able to run however hard they try. This was using chmod, work profile, etc.

Has iOS improved in these regards ?

What you mention here is extremely niche needs and you are absolutely paranoid about privacy (calling Skype annd sales force as spyware) and you are desperate to have absolute control. That is what you need, this is something that one in a million needs. Who would go to extreme level to mask contacts? For your needs, only one of those highly closed (that’s what they say) OS based phones will work to an extent. Yet, unless you really go deep, go through source code (if entire source code is made available), you won't know whether that OS is truly good for privacy.

You also have to think about efforts required to truly mask and protect privacy/data. Majority use WhatsApp. If I want to have control on chat app, I can pick Signal. If I want to have control over my passwords, I can go with Bitwarden. These are free and one can have their own server to host Signal or Bitwarden. Only those who are truly paranoid are taking this route and it is not easy thing to do. One has to pay for hosting yearly, have to make sure that it is updated, have to make sure that friends/familiy are connecting to that server instead. Even by going to such lengths, what are we saving? The efforts doesn't add up, it is just not worth it.

For me, it is relative comparison that mattered. Out of all the OSes available (Android forks, AOSP forks, iOS), iOS has been least evil when it comes to giving my data to 3rd parties. This was just one of the reasons I picked iOS.

That's not how you measure it. Twice in about 15 years of using Android, I've "sideloaded" apps but then I used those apps for about 6 years, so the productivity is 6/15 = 40%, rather than 2/(365.27*15) = 3.65 * 10^(-2) %.
Both the times it was the question of power. Once the app was kicked out from Play Store due to Google's policies, and once app developer didn't want to pay the 30% commission to Google. Both the times I paid separately to the app developer, they gave me the APK, that I sideloaded. And yes, pirated versions of the app were available both the times, but I didn't get those.

* Even on Android, for some years I've been unable to force apps to go through my VPN in certain situations.

I have never side loaded apps and I do not have any paid apps. I am not paranoid to side load apps to mask my data. I don’t have need to buy apps. This is how 99.99999999999999999999% of users are. These companies won’t release OS to cater to 0.000000000000000000001% of users. It is absolute waste of their efforts and money, even if intentions are good.

Coming to control that Apple has on App Store. This is one thing that I absolutely hate. Their control is entirely for monetary benefits and they are not shy to kick out a developer if dev don't agree to apple's terms. Yes, this is one case where option to side load works. But again, it also brings security into picture. How do I know that the provided installer is not having malicious code? We go through extensive scans and checks like sonar, appscan and what not just to build and publish app to App Store. Then there are scopes reviews where they assess all these scans. Once it is ready and we go to Fastlane channel, apple runs their own checks to see if the app will do anything malicious. This is the extent of checks that happen to push app and its updates to store. Same is the case for Google Play store I believe. How do you run these scans on a binary file? It is a double edged sword. However you protect your data, all it takes is one bad side loaded app to steal everything.

 

[kiran6680]

I am not paranoid to side load apps to mask my data. ...

I was not talking about side loading to mask any data.

What you mention here is extremely niche needs ...

Yeah, obviously, I was answering a question, which I quoted as well.

 

[superczar]

Software is like s*x - free is insanely better than paid

Sorry, simply not true.
There are a few exceptions on th foss side but largely not true.
Quality of Foss continues to deteriorate vs paid over the last two decades and I don't see this improving .

And I say this as a heavy and experienced Linux user and also as an android user.

 

[kiran6680]

Sorry, simply not true.
There are a few exceptions on th foss side but largely not true.
Quality of Foss continues to deteriorate vs paid over the last two decades and I don't see this improving .

And I say this as a heavy and experienced Linux user and also as an android user.

Quality of wh*res is not the reason people prefer their girlfriends/wives.

 

[superczar]

Quality of wh*res is not the reason people prefer their girlfriends/wives.

I guess there is no point carrying forward with this discussion since you seem hung up on this weird analogy for some reason