Market Feedback Mavihs - Wasting a week of my time

[aasimenator]

I am not sure if this qualifies as Market Feedback thread but I just wanted to post this because of an issue with a member here under id @mavihs

Thread in question: http://www.techenclave.com/communit...0gb-24gbssd-8gb-ram-touch-windows-8-1.154318/

I posted this thread on November 12th, got an immediate reply from mavihs saying that he is interested & that i should PM him my number.... which I did.

Received his phone call where he asked about the laptop, and told me that his budget was only 30k but will stretch it if the laptop is in good condition. I told him everything is fine & there are no other issues with the laptop except for the ones i've already mentioned. I also told him I already have a local buyer willing to pay 36k for it, to which he told me he is ready to take the laptop at 36k but it will have to be shipped to Delhi. I told him to find out how much it will cost him to get the laptop via courier service.

On Thursday Night I got a call from him I didn't pickup,sent him a message to get his reply but he call again instead. so i picked it up & he asked me if i was ok shipping him the laptop to him @40k. I said, I will have to find out how much it will cost me for shipping only after which i can confirm.

On Saturday Morning I contacted FedEx & got a quote from them for shipping the laptop & It was good enough and I would be able to afford it with Carrier Risk. I also informed him that i prefer chat / text / email than calling because his call quality was very low and barely audible. I also told him that I will require 100% payment upfront as this is a high valued product, and if he was local i would have agreed that he can first check the laptop & make the payment, but that was not possible here.
I also told him that if he cannot do 100% upfront we can go the eBay route & he will have to bare all the extra charges (7 - 8%)

He called me & asked me to send me my Bank Details which i sent. < This would possibly confirm that he has agreed to my terms.

I sent him a message on Sunday, I provided him more pictures on how it has been packed & ready to ship to him.

On Monday he sent me his address & mentioned that he will call me today to tell me about the payment. When i did not get any calls from him till yesterday evening I sent him a message to ask if there was any update. He told me that he had called but i didn't pickup. I again told him that the best way to get in touch with me was via chat / email. I don't always call. I told him i would call him when i am free.

I called him last night around 10:30pm & this is when he tells me that he will only do 75% payment first & then the remaining after receiving the laptop. I told him i will think about it but I already decided that it was a no. I calculated how much 75% of 40k is & it is exactly 30k the budget he said he has for his laptop the first day he contacted me.

So to me it feels like there is no guarantee that he will even pay the remaining 10k when he gets the laptop or keep on delaying it saying that he does not have the cash with him right now, and if he only wanted to pay the 75% first that should have been told to me from day 1 & avoided this week long conversations wasting my time.

 

[blufox]

Please do not rant on unnecessary issues.
You are the one who is going to get the money, please be patient with people.
Last but not the least, you judged the bloke without even getting a single penny and post it, wow.
Not right.

I think this thread should be trashed. It is immature and silly to keep this thread up.

 

[ankushv]

Walk away .

 

[6pack]

You have an option of not selling the item to him if you don't like the conditions. These things happen in deals.

 

[aasimenator]

@blufox
Feedback is feedback whether money spent or not... incase you don't read the title here it is for you.
"A forum for all market related discussions and feedback. If you are not satisfied with something or just have an opinion related to market section, make your voice heard here."

Also time may not matter to you but it does to many people. Wasting time is literally wasting money to some

@ankushv I did i sent him a reply yesterday it self that i will not go through with this.

@6pack i agree! just that he should have told me that from day 1 that he expects that & i would have denied him there & then itself. I don't see the point of asking someone their bank account number if they are not depositing the money & then calling a day later to tell me that only part payment will be made.

 

[blufox]

Your feedback is not right because it is your perception.
Perception is not based on real proofs or something which can be accounted for.
I think you are misunderstanding what feedback means.
Well, you have your reasons, but please do not judge a person without a real transaction.
Jumping the gun too soon can damage his reputation for no fault of his or yours (if that matters).
Good luck finding a new buyer.

 

[djmykey]

@aasimenator If you are in hurry for money, inform the same to the buyer. Say you are in a pinch and need cash urgently. Back off the deal and sell it locally.
If not you can wait for the buyer for a reasonable amount of time. You cannot keep the local buyer hanging for a long time. He might end up not buying the laptop from you.
Also if the buyer is serious about buying the laptop he shud be eager and finish the transaction than keep u hanging.

IMO back off and sell locally.

 

[harryneopotter]

Well, dunno if it helps or not, but I know the member in question personally (@mavihs ) and I can vouch for him regarding payments. He might be a little lazy, but I can assure you that if the deal goes through, you will get all of your money without much delay. Just try to be in the buyer's shoes for a minute. He is supposed to pay a full 40k for a product that he hasnt even seen yet. As a seller, you need security in the deal, but as a buyer, even he is entitled to have a little security for himself if possible. I, personally, find it reasonable enough to hold some % of the total value till the product is received and checked for any issues.
No one can force you to deal with anyone or anyway that you dont want to. Its completely your decision. I just shared my views on the situation, and if it holds any value, can vouch for the guy in question.

P.S : Though I do agree that call quality on his phone sucks.

 

[raksrules]

I get lot of replies for my ads on olx / quikr and all and people say they will visit me or tell me they will call in evening etc etc. But i don't really wait for anyone to actually come and i say a yes to everyone who asks about the product that it is available because 90% of the people never call back.
So i suggest sell to anyone who gives you money first.

 

[aasimenator]

I am not in a hurry at all, nor did i force mavihs to make payment immediately nor am i saying that he is a bad guy. The local person that wants it is a friend and has offered to buy it whenever i sell ( he doesn't know that i am selling yet)

The only reason i created this thread was to show why mavihs was wrong, I am not a suspicious person, i don't doubt people or their ability to keep their word.
My only issue here is that if mavhis wanted to pay me 75% only before shipping & rest after he receives it HE SHOULD HAVE TOLD ME THAT ON THE FIRST DAY ITSELF. I had sent him a msg on day 2 itself and told him that I expect 100% payment upfront & will not do it any other way, to which he did not disagree instead asked me for my bank details which i provided & he told me that he will call me after making payment. When i did not receive the payment & asked for an update he tells me that he will split the payment & to me that was a complete waste of my time. when he told me he is making the payment I started packing the laptop for shipping, spent hours on it sourcing boxes, wraps etc Now its all a waste.
And the biggest issue is that now my bank details is with a person who has no intention of buying anything from me. I don't know much about the banking system but I am under the impression my bank details are not for everyone to have.

mavihs has tried to make contact with me, I have and always will reject his call because I cannot agree to his terms. I also told him that if you want we can do a skype video call so he can see the laptop. I agree with the buyer having security & that is why I gave him the ebay route & that option is still available for him which gives him the security he needs.

As a seller i am allowed to set the terms for the sale of my product. if you agree to them then we have a deal if not we move on. I will give you an example of my other current for sale thread where i am selling Asrock 990fx extreme 4 & NZXT tempest the buyer & I made the deal & it was final he is supposed to come to pickup on Saturday. As i was disassembling the case & removing my drives & psu etc I scuffed up the side panel, I immediately informed the buyer of this & gave him a discount on the price we agreed before. I always tend to be fair i am not trying to push a bad product out. I clearly disclosed the reasons for selling the laptop & the issues that it already has. The stuck pixel is so small that if you don't know what to look for you will not see that stuck pixel but i mentioned that on the thread itself.

Then there are people that lowball like crap.. i have a pm from a guy from mumbai who says he will pay 30k and that i will not get more than 25k for it locally. this is a serious issue to me & one reason why i don't sell stuff more often, i rather opt to be generous & give it away to a friend / family member. What i don't understand is why a 6 months used Note II can fetch around 22K when new ones sell for 32K but a 63K laptop should be sold under 35K. laptops should retain much more of its price because they are much better build & long lasting commodity than mobiles.

 

[aasimenator]

@harryneopotter Great that you know him personally, but does not make a difference to me because i don't know you either sadly your vouch means nothing unless i personally know you too or have dealt with you in the past, although i am pretty sure that you will not give the remainder of the payment from your pocket if mavihs fails to pay up correct?

As for what you find reasonable to hold % of payment, I find it completely absurd. Be in my shoes now Do you think you would give a 40K laptop at 30K with no surety of the remaining 10K being paid to you, what leverage would you have after shipping everything to the buyer? So in similar context I should also get to have a little security right? Should i take out the ram & hard drive from the laptop & then ship it? because then i will be ok if the 10k does not make it back to me as i can recover atleast some of the amount by selling the ram & hard drive separately.

 

[harryneopotter]

Ok, I should say this again - "No one is forcing you to do something which you dont want to do."
I just shared MY views on the situation. If you find them absurd, may be good for you. And tell me, what surety does the buyer have that you will ship the laptop after he deposits 40K in your account ? What leverage would the buyer have after depositing 40K or even 30K in your account ? Dont you think the buyer is at much more risk here than you ?
About the Ebay route you mentioned, you know that Ebay will charge 7-8% extra for the transaction. And considering the fact that You as a seller want security as well along with the buyer, did you suggest splitting the ebay charges 50-50 with him ? Nope, you did not.
As I said, try to put urself in the buyer's place for a few moments, you might understand a few things which you find absurd now as a seller ( or may be you wont, but still do try).

And I did mention that my vouching for him probably wont help you, I guess you missed that part. I know I am not a well known member here, but I am no one time spammer either. Was just trying to help.

 

[vyral_143]

I believe trades on forum are based on trust factor. Also one may not always get proper/prompt replies from other side as they also might be stuck in something.

mavihs has tried to make contact with me, I have and always will reject his call because I cannot agree to his terms.

I guess listening to other party once does not harm, who knows if other party agrees to your terms or one can talk once and modestly deny.

Apart from all this fuss, if its an item of higher value and one is skeptical on it, selling locally is better, safer and peace-of-mind route.

PS: I do not deny that one can not be skeptical on high value item.

 

[Vagabond]

Tuesday 11:29 am to Thursday 3:54 pm = 2 days 4 hours 25 minutes additional wasted !

 

[aasimenator]

Ok, I should say this again - "No one is forcing you to do something which you dont want to do."

I dont know why this norm is catching up on TE, when the member does not have a valid response to the post they throw this in *SARCASTIC VOICE* "well no one is forcing you to do it"
I get that no one is / can force me to do anything i don't want but that does not mean that you get to state the obvious as a valid point to the argument.

I just shared MY views on the situation. If you find them absurd, may be good for you.

And I just shared MY view on your opinion.

And tell me, what surety does the buyer have that you will ship the laptop after he deposits 40K in your account ? What leverage would the buyer have after depositing 40K or even 30K in your account ? Dont you think the buyer is at much more risk here than you ?

Frankly Buyers on such sites don't have ANY surety, & don't get fooled into believing that. If you don't agree with me totally fine, read on all the old issues listed in this forum itself.

About the Ebay route you mentioned, you know that Ebay will charge 7-8% extra for the transaction. And considering the fact that You as a seller want security as well along with the buyer, did you suggest splitting the ebay charges 50-50 with him ? Nope, you did not.

Off course i didn't because we did not talk about ebay once the entire week. if he had requested that i would have obliged.

As I said, try to put urself in the buyer's place for a few moments, you might understand a few things which you find absurd now as a seller ( or may be you wont, but still do try).

I have been on both side of it for a long time. If i was in his place I would go via Ebay route.

And I did mention that my vouching for him probably wont help you, I guess you missed that part. I know I am not a well known member here, but I am no one time spammer either. Was just trying to help.

Oh I read that part, just wanted you to know what I think of that.

@vyral_143 I don't take his calls because like i said his voice quality sucks, i am barely able to hear what he has to say. I sent him a message on TE that he has to reply to the conversation for us to talk but he still insists on calling so i will have to ignore him.

Yeah I was in 2 minds to even ship this thing, I guess i will go the local route.

 

[kippu]

damn,i should log into TE more , missing all juicy stuff

 

[iPwnz]

When I saw Shivam's name here I was pretty shocked wondering if he had cheated someone (most threads here are related to those problems only.) But after reading the OP i was like "lolwut?"
As someone already mentioned, such incident happens. If you don't like it I suggest you don't take part in the market section. It's your decision whether you sell it or not.
Discussion on this topic is useless. Someone lock this thread already. kthxbai.

update: i've already told him on facebook. he should reply to this thread if he sees my message.

 

[m-jeri]

I agree to your points as a seller. And i also find that the buyer was at wrong saying 75% in the end rather than when he heard you say 100% is required.

But rejecting his calls and this thread is absurd. Why this thread? you are the seller. If the item is good and priced to sell you will get another buyer. Move on.

 

[mavihs]

@aasimenator
WTF!! You really made a thread for this!!! :O First of all if you don't pick up the phone how am i suppose to talk!!?? I've been really busy these past days & haven't had the time to come online & send a message to you here, I rather just call & talk over the phone which is faster. Second if you found me suspicious then don't sell it to me, I'm not forcing you to but don't make this kind of threads.
I wasn't wasting your time, I was genuinely going to buy the laptop. As for my 75% payment issue, look at it from my perspective what assurance do I have that when I get the laptop nothings missing from it!!?? I have a good rep any forum you go to why would I want to get it ruined by not paying you the rest of the money when I was already paying you the 30K!!??
As for the ebay route, it would have had cost me more & from the way you spoke it didn't look like you would have split it!!!

@Admin/Mods
Can you please delete this thread!!?? I don't want any search for me leading to this thread & ruining my rep or my my chances of buying something coz of the OPs misunderstanding!!!

PS: I've been really busy these past days with work and with so many marriages & occasions these past days that I barely get any time to come online & reply here.

 

[aasimenator]

WTF!! You really made a thread for this!!! :O First of all if you don't pick up the phone how am i suppose to talk!!??

I told you the best way to get in touch with me was via Chat / Text or pm on TE. I didn't pick up calls because 1. My Phone is not all ways with me 2. Your voice quality was unbearable 3. You were in a Metro when making calls which did not help one bit. as a thumb rule when you prefer to do something (call) than the other (text/pm) at least make damn sure that what you are preferring at least works!

I've been really busy these past days & haven't had the time to come online & send a message to you here, I rather just call & talk over the phone which is faster. Second if you found me suspicious then don't sell it to me, I'm not forcing you to but don't make this kind of threads.

Well I assume you have internet on your phone as you have whatsapp & sent me messages on it, I don't know what phone you have but i know that you could atleast browse website, also when @iPwnz added that p.s. that he sent you a message on facebook to check this thread, I visited your profile which said you were last online on Friday 22nd November 2013, In any case I stated this within 1st post as well I didn't suspect you of anything & I did not force you to buy my laptop either.

I wasn't wasting your time, I was genuinely going to buy the laptop. As for my 75% payment issue, look at it from my perspective what assurance do I have that when I get the laptop nothings missing from it!!?? I have a good rep any forum you go to why would I want to get it ruined by not paying you the rest of the money when I was already paying you the 30K!!??
As for the ebay route, it would have had cost me more & from the way you spoke it didn't look like you would have split it!!!

I am sure you didn't want to waste my time, and i can understand the 75% - 25 % offer as you might told this deal to your friend/s (may or may not be a TE Member) He may have suggested you to go this route & I agree that you would not have any assurance after you have paid for the laptop but THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD TO ME ON DAY 1 WHEN YOU CALLED ME TO ASK ABOUT MY LAPTOP. I Don't know what rep you have on other forum but on this one is you have barely anything you only sold/ bought 2 products that too hardly anything costly.

@Admin/Mods
Can you please delete this thread!!?? I don't want any search for me leading to this thread & ruining my rep or my my chances of buying something coz of the OPs misunderstanding!!!

Let me state my point to the mods which i have before as well, there is no misunderstanding of any sorts here... I am not judging him as a person ( i don't know him in person to judge him) the whole point of this thread was to show why mavihs was wrong here to wait for a week to disclose that he will only pay 75% upfront. If he told me this on the first day he contacted me, I would have said no thank you, good day & moved on.. I had a lot of my private data on the laptop, I had to back it up to a external drive, do a windows refresh which took over 2 hours, cleaned everything up of dust & other particles on the laptop charger etc. and source the box that the laptop & cooler can fit inside buy duct tapes, enough bubble wrap to keep everything protected. and then I am been told that no i will only get 75% first was a very frustrating to me & complete waste of my time & efforts. because now i am going to sell it locally.

Unless you think you were wrong here as well there should not be any chance of ruining "your rep".