Budget 10-15K May have to upgrade both my android and iphone... Any insights guys??

[JMak]

Right so as the sales will be coming soon at amzn and flipkart I thought of picking your brains about the upgrades....

I have been using an iPhone 7 256gb from past 2 years (or may be 3)..(it received its last ans final update just a few days back)

It has been serving me well as a work phone, no nonsense... But as its battery health is at 80 and the camera is acting a bit weired I think It's time to upgrade....
I don't need any fancy stuff in my iphone just solid battery if possible (not necessary as u use my phone for a few calls and to stream Spotify to my amp via BT), decent camera and all...
I don't wish to spend much tbh, which iphone should i go for which can last for another 3 years may be in terms of longevity and updates... Cheapest possible please...


Android :
So LG g8x thinq is my personal phone and I love the device...
Although its serving me well but I just night upgrade it with something similar.. A 1 or 2 year old flagship, used or new below 15k no matter what....

Thanks in advance.

 

[rockyo27]

Just wait for Flipkart BBD(big billion day) sale

 

[altair21]

Yeah I mean you can get your normal sim cut to nano, so it's just cosmetic at that point but e-sim.....I understand that technology changes and evolves but no one is shoving DDR5 or Gen 4/5 SSDs. It should have been gradual (and added as an extra option, and when 80% of the population was on esim, gradually remove one sim slot and then the other, by then physical sims would have been obsolete anyway) like other tech evolutions in the industry. And the privilege Apple has in directing the tech scene.

** Le Average Android Manufacturer** Hey look people are buying Apple iPhones without chargers, well let's cut back the charger. Oh, people are ok with the headphone jack gone, and we thought every one of them was an audiophile and needed a headphone jack, cut that too.

And then there is that one Apple fanboy claiming...see everyone copies Apple, no you paperweight, it's just Android Manufactures because you opened to Apple.

At least Andy Dufresne (Shawshank Redemption) was out of prison after 10 years of digging the tunnel and shoveling through shit. For us in the mobile tech scene, it's a lot of tunneling through shit with no redemption.

And to those people who stand in line for hours (unless it's your job description like a reviewer or something) to get an iPhone or any phone for that matter, please revisit your life choices.

The only dim and let me emphasize a very dim light at the end of this tunnel is you guys. You guys who drive the actual tech demand and force manufacturers to still make phones with a headphone jack or 6000Mah battery etc etc. You guys buying reasonable phones for parents, uncles, and aunts. Salute to each one of you for keeping the balance in the force.

Enough Rant for today, over and out.

Edit: My comment was moderated and is now PG13, so no longer funny but still relevant though

that's why I'm anti-apple on principle, have never and will never recommend an Apple product to anyone. To anyone else needing more reason for the apple hate, just check out Louis Rossman's channel on YT. My only hope is now on EU to force and other OEMs to eat shit.

Amazon has good customer support. Flipkart is doing open box deliveries these days, so when the delivery guy opens the package in front of you & it is missing or if the device is damaged, don't accept it & don't provide the OTP, that's all.

The iPhone 13 was 50k on the last Diwali sale at FK, don't think it went that low again anywhere, even on FK afterwards. So better save money when you can. Phones are the biggest sellers on FK in terms of revenue, they will not botch it unlike PC CPUs.

and the funny thing is, you still pay extra for no cost EMIs too, the way they work is that the seller eats the cost of bank interest but the GST charged on it is still something we gotta pay up.

The non-geek part is too stereotypical now. If one is discerning about SoC processing power, camera (esp. video quality), software support, app permissions, Watch/Mac integration or even power use through use of Shortcuts and Widgets, then iOS offers a lot more than most Android skins. So it actually has quite a lot to offer to geeks as against most Android phones which have been commoditized.

if you mean being locked up so tight that you feel like you dont even your own phone and this is not even on top of bullshit like turning your data over to governments or the anti-consumer bullshit that apple regularly pulls. As for hardware, SD 8+ Gen 1 and the 8 Gen 2 have really changed the efficiency game, latest Android flagships are easily getting better efficiency and the camera game has been on par with Apple's for a while now

 

[dvader]

and the funny thing is, you still pay extra for no cost EMIs too, the way they work is that the seller eats the cost of bank interest but the GST charged on it is still something we gotta pay up.

For once you can believe that the INR 1000 pill on that porn site will actually give you a 12-inch dong, but never ever, ever, ever believe that the no-cost EMI is really "NO COST EMI". I mean yeah it is better than paying the FULL EMI but you still pay.

This is a rephrasing of EMI terms and conditions from SBI or any bank for that matter if they were being honest.
"SBI/Any bank gives you a loan on the promise that you return the amount along with the interest within the agreed upon period*. Also, since we can lobby the govt, and "public to chutiya hai" this interest is a form of service we are giving to customers, so you will be paying us 18% GST on this interest. Yeah we know it sounds like interest on interest but **** you anyway"

oh wait we forgot that *
* If you wanna foreclose the loan because you want to get rid of your liabilities early cuz you are a good citizen then **** you again (cuz we wanna keep getting the tax credits on your loan and earn money on money on money), pay us an extra fee on top of the money you are already giving us.

Remember, Indian banks are tamed devils. Countries with privatized banks...........

You guys are really helping me get creative with these rants so that's a plus atleast

 

[altair21]

For once you can believe that the INR 1000 pill on that porn site will actually give you a 12-inch dong, but never ever, ever, ever believe that the no-cost EMI is really "NO COST EMI". I mean yeah it is better than paying the FULL EMI but you still pay.

This is a rephrasing of EMI terms and conditions from SBI or any bank for that matter if they were being honest.
"SBI/Any bank gives you a loan on the promise that you return the amount along with the interest within the agreed upon period*. Also, since we can lobby the govt, and "public to chutiya hai" this interest is a form of service we are giving to customers, so you will be paying us 18% GST on this interest. Yeah we know it sounds like interest on interest but **** you anyway"

oh wait we forgot that *
* If you wanna foreclose the loan because you want to get rid of your liabilities early cuz you are a good citizen then **** you again (cuz we wanna keep getting the tax credits on your loan and earn money on money on money), pay us an extra fee on top of the money you are already giving us.

Remember, Indian banks are tamed devils. Countries with privatized banks...........

You guys are really helping me get creative with these rants so that's a plus atleast

if its any consolation, banks pull the same shit in US too, that's why I only use CC for the offers/protection. In fact, I would go as far as to say never get any loan from a bank except for something big like a home loan, you'll be price gouged like crazy, even car loans have some pretty crazy T&C

 

[dvader]

if its any consolation, banks pull the same shit in US too, that's why I only use CC for the offers/protection. In fact, I would go as far as to say never get any loan from a bank except for something big like a home loan, you'll be price gouged like crazy, even car loans have some pretty crazy T&C

No matter what the country the common hard-working people like us get ****ed anyway. So it doesn't console me that a developed country is still plagued by big banks, cuz we are on the path of becoming a developed nation and I don't like the destination we are heading.

 

[t3chg33k]

if you mean being locked up so tight that you feel like you dont even your own phone and this is not even on top of bullshit like turning your data over to governments or the anti-consumer bullshit that apple regularly pulls. As for hardware, SD 8+ Gen 1 and the 8 Gen 2 have really changed the efficiency game, latest Android flagships are easily getting better efficiency and the camera game has been on par with Apple's for a while now

I am not turning this into another iOS vs Android thing because I use both daily, but your opinion is not at all grounded in reality. Most Android devices have locked bootloader, no proper updates, severe data collection issues by third-party apps and you don't own any more of the device. Just check the compliance report in US and Google is by far the worst, not to say the FBI has less issues getting into locked Android devices.

If you are concerned about raw numbers, the 8 Gen 2 doesn't even match up to the A15, let alone the A16. Also, if you have used a lot of devices, you would know how each manufacturer does well in one area of the camera but no one nails down all scenarios.

I have my use cases for my iPhone as well as my Android phone, but the point I made was that Android devices cannot be considered geekier by any means.

 

[dvader]

I am not turning this into another iOS vs Android thing because I use both daily, but your opinion is not at all grounded in reality. Most Android devices have locked bootloader, no proper updates, severe data collection issues by third-party apps and you don't own any more of the device. Just check the compliance report in US and Google is by far the worst, not to say the FBI has less issues getting into locked Android devices.

If you are concerned about raw numbers, the 8 Gen 2 doesn't even match up to the A15, let alone the A16. Also, if you have used a lot of devices, you would know how each manufacturer does well in one area of the camera but no one nails down all scenarios.

I have my use cases for my iPhone as well as my Android phone, but the point I made was that Android devices cannot be considered geekier by any means.

Yup, that's the point MOST Android devices are locked not all, however, 100% of the iPhones are locked. Also, A15 or Snapdragon or MediaTek or new Apple M1/M2 Silicon are all Arm. If Qualcomm could sell the processor at the price Apple is able to, they could make even more powerful SoCs than Apple would in a Decade.

I am not turning this into another iOS vs Android thing because I use both daily, but your opinion is not at all grounded in reality. Most Android devices have locked bootloader, no proper updates, severe data collection issues by third-party apps and you don't own any more of the device. Just check the compliance report in US and Google is by far the worst, not to say the FBI has less issues getting into locked Android devices.

If you are concerned about raw numbers, the 8 Gen 2 doesn't even match up to the A15, let alone the A16. Also, if you have used a lot of devices, you would know how each manufacturer does well in one area of the camera but no one nails down all scenarios.

I have my use cases for my iPhone as well as my Android phone, but the point I made was that Android devices cannot be considered geekier by any means.

The only thing that Apple offers is convenience and a tight-knit ecosystem. Apart from that, it's not a debate.

And as to geekier any hardware that doesn't let me run anything and everything I want is leased hardware. Try running youtube premium via Vanced on iOS or any modded app for that matter. I can't even laugh at your statement. Again iPhone has its use cases. For e.g, it's a compliant device to be used in many industrial workplaces, but that comes from Apple being a trillion-dollar shithole.

And just because most people don't run anything and everything on their hardware doesn't mean Apple can get away with what they are doing. You are not "MOST" people or "I" for that matter. It's a matter of sound, sustainable, and ethical business practices. Apple would sell baby organs if they could for a profit. I don't care about Android too, the day Android locks hardware for all downstream devices, a new alternative will pop as has been the case with technologies since the dawn of human civilization.

Also, Apple hasn't innovated shit since the Wozniak era, they as an organization are the scum of the Human Civilization, they are Nestle of Tech world.


Note: Kept this rant PG13 this time I hope it doesn't get edited.

 

[t3chg33k]

Yup, that's the point MOST Android devices are locked not all, however, 100% of the iPhones are locked. Also, A15 or Snapdragon or MediaTek or new Apple M1/M2 Silicon are all Arm. If Qualcomm could sell the processor at the price Apple is able to, they could make even more powerful SoCs than Apple would in a Decade.


The only thing that Apple offers is convenience and a tight-knit ecosystem. Apart from that, it's not a debate.

And as to geekier any hardware that doesn't let me run anything and everything I want is leased hardware. Try running youtube premium via Vanced on iOS or any modded app for that matter. I can't even laugh at your statement. Again iPhone has its use cases. For e.g, it's a compliant device to be used in many industrial workplaces, but that comes from Apple being a trillion dollar shithole.

And just because most people don't run anything and everything on their hardware doesn't mean Apple can get away with what they are doing. You are not MOST people or me for that matter. It's a matter of sound, sustainable and ethical business practice. Apple would sell baby organs if they could for a profit.

I don't condone any corporates. Do you think, for example, Samsung is any better? They have copied Apple in every way in terms of business practices and you just need to check the company history to see how much they have exploited people over the years and don't get me started on the Chinese manufacturers. People have disdain for one company over the other because of their biases.

In the past, I used to jailbreak my iPhone. It cost $10/year to sideload any app without jailbreaking. I still run YT with Adguard and Sponsorblock on iOS Safari if needed. Similarly, I sideload a lot of apps on my Android phone, a lot of which come from unknown sources, and which has been known to be the source of a lot of malware, in addition to it seeping through quite easily on the Play Store.

I accept each platform for what it is. I have been purchasing Android devices for 13 years now and I wouldn't give Qualcomm the benefit of any doubt considering the fact that they produced furnaces in the past, badly missed the 64-bit transition and screwed Windows on Arm when they had exclusivity to produce whatever SoC they wanted.

Also, Qualcomm is the one that has been found guilt of being a monopoly, not Apple.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/291851-qualcomm-ruled-a-monopoly-found-in-violation-of-us-antitrust-law

 

[ibose]

 

[dvader]

I don't condone any corporates. Do you think, for example, Samsung is any better? They have copied Apple in every way in terms of business practices and you just need to check the company history to see how much they have exploited people over the years and don't get me started on the Chinese manufacturers. People have disdain for one company over the other because of their biases.

In the past, I used to jailbreak my iPhone. It cost $10/year to sideload any app. I still run YT with Adguard and Sponsorblock on iOS Safari if needed. Similarly, I sideload a lot of apps on my Android phone, a lot of which come from unknown sources, and which has been known to be the source of a lot of malware, in addition to it seeping through quite easily on the Play Store.

I accept each platform for what it is. I have been purchasing Android devices for 13 years now and I wouldn't give Qualcomm the benefit of any doubt considering the fact that they produced furnaces in the past, badly missed the 64-bit bus and screwed Windows on Arm when they had exclusivity to produce whatever SoC they wanted.

You don't seem to grasp the point. The discussion wasn't This vs That; Samsung good Apple bad. Qualcomm is good Alpha/Beta/Gamma is bad. I wouldn't give a shit If Apple copied someone, instead, It would be a breath of fresh air If they copy something useful from other competitors. And no organization should be hated for producing a less tested/bad product not even Apple, If apple produced a bad product, yeah criticize them ofc that is human discourse but hate is not warranted. This is how any human strata evolves, you make mistakes learn from them, and move on.

The problem comes from trying to run the "Who can f**k humanity better" marathon, market manipulation, Misusing and lobbying against Anti Trust, Outsourcing, exploiting foreign labor, etc etc etc

Samsung as of now doesn't enjoy the privileges that Apple has. Samsung has to drive the GDP of entire South Korea and maybe it's the hardships that made them what they are but a small company (perspective) in a small island (reality) is driving the entire world. Mobile phone isn't even on the first page of Samsung, almost all NASA, and any space agency for that matter uses Semiconductors and Chips from Samsung. Again not that they have no propensity for being evil but as of now they are nowhere near the scale of scumminess, Apple proudly displays.

Yeah you can buy iPhones that's your prerogative and you may even love it, it might fit your use case 100% but that is not the point.

And why the hell would I pay $10 a year to run something I already paid top dollars for? When did that become OK? AITA about suggesting that people should own their hardware? I mean I am trying not to bring iPhone and iOS into this discussion, it's just Apple that needs to f**k off but you keep bringing all the reasons up somehow.

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Same ol, Same ol

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/291851-qualcomm-ruled-a-monopoly-found-in-violation-of-us-antitrust-law

I love people, who quickly google links to attach to comments. Just love it. The case has been appealed in the 9th circuit court. Qualcomm is just doing what any company does fighting the big guys. That's the American lobby trying to push back an East manufacturer. This is Qualcomm beating Apple in its own game. You keep giving me material man. I mean there are other shady things Qualcomm does, but why would you bring up a lobbied FTC investigation? Intel tried this same shit on a bigger scale against AMD a decade back, they didn't even go to court.

Also, let's stop here. Let's agree to disagree. Let us spend time with our families on a weekend instead of wasting time on a useless discussion. I get where are you coming from and understand your viewpoint. Shake hands.

 

[Pyception]

Guys help me out.
Samsung M34 vs realme narzo 60.
I'm fine with everything in samsung M34.
My only concern is their processor. Usually with software upgrade samsung midrange phones are slow down.
Any comment recommendation will be helpful. Usage are mainly media consumption and camera.

 

[dvader]

Guys help me out.
Samsung M34 vs realme narzo 60.
I'm fine with everything in samsung M34.
My only concern is their processor. Usually with software upgrade samsung midrange phones are slow down.
Any comment recommendation will be helpful. Usage are mainly media consumption and camera.

Man I was in the same dilemma, but I bought Samsung just because it was for my Mom. That aside Exynos 1280 is more powerful than Dimensity 6020 specwise. That battery and Camera tipped the balance for me but it's not a looker so your mileage may vary.

 

[t3chg33k]

I love people, who quickly google links to attach to comments. Just love it. The case has been appealed in the 9th circuit court. Qualcomm is just doing what any company does fighting the big guys. That's the American lobby trying to push back an East manufacturer. This is Qualcomm beating Apple in its own game. You keep giving me material man. I mean there are other shady things Qualcomm does, but why would you bring up a lobbied FTC investigation? Intel tried this same shit on a bigger scale against AMD a decade back, they didn't even go to court.

Also, let's stop here. Let's agree to disagree. Let us spend time with our families on a weekend instead of wasting time on a useless discussion. I get where are you coming from and understand your viewpoint. Shake hands.

My last post on this as well. I do prefer links with information over unsubstantiated wrangling. You do know that Qualcomm is a Californian company and they were investigated by a US authority for violating US laws and that they were the ones trying to prevent competition through their minopolistic modem licensing and thus trying to kill the small guys, something you take objection to otherwise.

 

[dvader]

My last post on this as well. I do prefer links with information over unsubstantiated wrangling. You do know that Qualcomm is a Californian company and they were investigated by a US authority for violating US laws and that they were the ones trying to prevent competition through their minopolistic modem licensing and thus trying to kill the small guys, something you take objection to otherwise.

I do know that buddy, the whole FTC lobbying (for tech) is done to keep east OEMs (Qualcomm doesn't manufacture chips in good old USA FYI) at bay and break exclusivity when it favors them. I don't condone Qualcomm either f**k them, it's just F**k apple a lil more. Again discussion was never this vs that.

It's just like the USA pushing its steel companies to break the Japanese ties to lift up lobbying companies relying on tubular steel. I mean all this was implied in my last comment. You can always find (true) links to suit any narrative you want. The difficult part is to form an informed and sound opinion after the fact.

 

[altair21]

I am not turning this into another iOS vs Android thing because I use both daily, but your opinion is not at all grounded in reality. Most Android devices have locked bootloader, no proper updates, severe data collection issues by third-party apps and you don't own any more of the device. Just check the compliance report in US and Google is by far the worst, not to say the FBI has less issues getting into locked Android devices.

when I have to install a bullshit software just to transfer my files from to pc to phone or vice versa, I'mma call it bullshit. iPhones are so tightly locked up its not even funny, Motorola, Xioami, Google, Samsung you can all unlock the bootloaders with ease, with A13 its a little more finicky but nothing too seriousm where do you get the sense that Android is nearly as locked up as Apple? Also Graphene exists for those who really want privacy from Google and Apple bullshit, also apple has been found selling data to FBI if you are really worried about FBI finding it easier to break into Android phones.

If you are concerned about raw numbers, the 8 Gen 2 doesn't even match up to the A15, let alone the A16. Also, if you have used a lot of devices, you would know how each manufacturer does well in one area of the camera but no one nails down all scenarios.

I never said performance, I said efficiency, check the battery backup of 8 gen 2 phones and you'll see.

I have my use cases for my iPhone as well as my Android phone, but the point I made was that Android devices cannot be considered geekier by any means.

In an Android, I can easily transfer my FLAC files to listen to proper lossless music locally, I take my whole collection of EBooks and comics on my phone which can easily read any ebook/comic format you can throw at it, I can transfer my movies to my phone to play it offline easily (these days with DV displays, you can even properly play Remuxes on your phone). I have Revanced, which easily offers the best experience of both worlds, the convenience of an app and the ad blocking of browsers. I got tachiyomi to read my manga offline or online from different sources without any bullshit. I can easily transfer all my files with just connecting my phone to PC using a USB cable, or heck even directly to my TV (haven't done this in years since Lollipop so not sure if this still works). Hell, you can just create a FTP server on your phone and transfer your files, easily getting 10-15MB/s and if you have the latest flagships with UFS 4.0, you can easily max out your gigabit connection while transferring files. In what way do you even think that Apple is anywhere near an Android when it comes to geekiness? Scratch that, how do even define geekiness?

 

[hphphp]

Battery capacity 20+Whr matters more than efficiency of the SOC since lately, any SOC used by either apple or android made by TSMC since the 4nm transition gives you plenty of runtime on a 20+ Whr battery.

Apple - iPhone Pro Max (Any generation from 11 and above). Software support: 5+ years by Apple

Android - 6000MAh with any 4nm processor lasts days on avg. Software support: 5 yrs by Samsung

 

[rajeshwarsinha]

For the budget Sony Xperia 5 Mark ii seems good

 

[OMEGA44-XT]

For the budget Sony Xperia 5 Mark ii seems good

In which country do you live?

Which country do you think people of this forum are buying phones in?

 

[PunkX 75]

In which country do you live?

Which country do you think people of this forum are buying phones in?

Lol seems like a random post to get his count up.

 

[rajeshwarsinha]

In which country do you live?

Which country do you think people of this forum are buying phones in?

You can get it from sahivalue and ovantica. Lg v60 is good too