Microsoft's new Windows 11 Recall is a privacy nightmare

Hint, enterprise version is not available for purchase by regular customer so you can guess. Enterprise version is meant to be used in business/corporate environment so obviously it will have more configurable privacy & security options. For starters it has "minimum telemetry mode" & also group policy editor both missing in home version.
Massgrave? Bro besides the minimum telemetry mode and gpe, no other major change/feature?

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These are risky too
 
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Bro besides the minimum telemetry mode and gpe, no other major change/feature?
For a typical user those features are most useful along with full bitlocker support (home version bitlocker is feature limited).

These are risky too
Like I said, I don't trust pre-built windows & as for scripts I like to analyse them myself to see what exactly they do but that requires a lot of time so simply get the enterprise or better education version & set telemetry to minimum & disable auto updates via group policy editor & that's it.
 
Or you can always quit trying to modify an OS that is actively hostile to your needs and just use Linux. Preferably a stable version of a point release distro based on Debian or RHEL i.e Fedora/Ubuntu/Linux Mint/etc. Then run Windows in a dual boot or VM for those specific cases where you need it.

I used to think Linux was too much work to run, had hardware incompatibility issues and was generally unstable. But that was because I always used Arch or a derivative like Manjaro whenever I tried it out. Rolling releases are just not known for their stability, except for maybe Tumbleweed.

Fedora 40 on the other hand has been rock stable for me. Except for some minor flickering issues on Wayland and only because I run an Nvidia GPU. Even the meme of Nvidia and Linux being a bad combination should be fixed in a matter of days by the 555 beta drivers.

It's getting to a point now where the reasons to use Windows on your main machine are harder and harder to find.
 
For a typical user those features are most useful along with full bitlocker support (home version bitlocker is feature limited).


Like I said, I don't trust pre-built windows & as for scripts I like to analyse them myself to see what exactly they do but that requires a lot of time so simply get the enterprise or better education version & set telemetry to minimum & disable auto updates via group policy editor & that's it.

so simply get the enterprise or better education version
So that means that only home version has maximum telemetry? Is education version less costly than home version or do we need to use other methods to get it?
Or you can always quit trying to modify an OS that is actively hostile to your needs and just use Linux. Preferably a stable version of a point release distro based on Debian or RHEL i.e Fedora/Ubuntu/Linux Mint/etc. Then run Windows in a dual boot or VM for those specific cases where you need it.

I used to think Linux was too much work to run, had hardware incompatibility issues and was generally unstable. But that was because I always used Arch or a derivative like Manjaro whenever I tried it out. Rolling releases are just not known for their stability, except for maybe Tumbleweed.

Fedora 40 on the other hand has been rock stable for me. Except for some minor flickering issues on Wayland and only because I run an Nvidia GPU. Even the meme of Nvidia and Linux being a bad combination should be fixed in a matter of days by the 555 beta drivers.

It's getting to a point now where the reasons to use Windows on your main machine are harder and harder to find.
Linux, ubuntu, fedora, debian etc. which has maximum windows like features and supports most windows apps?
 

so simply get the enterprise or better education version
So that means that only home version has maximum telemetry? Is education version less costly than home version or do we need to use other methods to get it?

Linux, ubuntu, fedora, debian etc. which has maximum windows like features and supports most windows apps?
Ubuntu, fedora, debian etc are all linux distros that use the Linux kernel. Many of the popular distros use a more conservative or basic distro, such as Debian or RHEL and make changes to it to make it more up to date and fully featured. That's what Ubuntu does with Debian. Or essentially what Fedora does with RHEL.

So I would personally pick either of those, Fedora or Ubuntu. They are going to be the most friendly for a newbie as well.

What kind of applications do you need? Almost everything common that you might need like Chrome, or VLC, or Spotify or VS Code will be available on the distro's repos, or on its app store. You can also install them easily via other app stores like flathub, or snap. Or you can compile them from source. There's just a lot of choice, which can be kind of confusing for a beginner. But if you're even remotely into computers, you can get up and running within hours.

For the more specialized apps, you need to either find an open source / Linux version of it, or run it via an emulation layer like Wine. Or just use Windows in a dual boot for it, like I do. I still do all my gaming on Windows, even though I can/should do most of it on Linux.
Thanks bro. Let's say we want to install firefox in this so we need to download the linux version?
You can
1) Open the app store on the distro
2) Go to the Firefox website and follow their instructions there
Or
3) Google "install firefox ubuntu" or similar for fedora and copy paste the two commands they give you into the terminal to get it from the distro's repos. It's not difficult at all.
 
Thanks bro. Any foss app for dual boot which is easy to understand and use?
All of these distros will let you install them alongside your Windows install. The linux bootloader, grub, will just detect Windows and add an entry for it. So you will be able to select between Linux and Windows at each boot.

This is assuming you have the free space on your boot drive, you may need to resize your windows partition, or just install Linux on a different drive.
 
Such tricks may stop working with some future windows update not to mention chances of causing some other issue as it tinkers with core system files.


So that means that only home version has maximum telemetry? Is education version less costly than home version or do we need to use other methods to get it?
Obviously the home version will always has the most telemetry & intrusive features. Education version is also like enterprise version, only sold to educational institutions.
 
Can you please share more details about it? And as its debloated and maybe from a third party source so is it fully trutable?
Are you talking about something like this https://ameliorated.io/
yeah, but I used to use scripts to debloat it, its been a while since I did it, but other peeps are right, just grab the LTSC/enterprise from massgrave and just use that, most of the telemetry/ai bullshit would be stripped out which is what you probably want,
Linux, ubuntu, fedora, debian etc. which has maximum windows like features and supports most windows apps?
what's your usecase? browsing? media? if so, a simple ubuntu installation will be more than enough for you, the best way for you to experience Linux would be to create a live pen drive for ubuntu and boot into it and play around, the reason I'm recommending Ubuntu is, its the easiest to debug
 
what's your usecase? browsing? media? if so, a simple ubuntu installation will be more than enough for you, the best way for you to experience Linux would be to create a live pen drive for ubuntu and boot into it and play around, the reason I'm recommending Ubuntu is, its the easiest to debug
Browsing and need ms office softwares like ms word and excel that's it.
 
Browsing and need ms office softwares like ms word and excel that's it.
If you can make do with Google Sheets/Docs, something like ubuntu is more than enough for you. No need for anything else and like I said you can try out ubuntu on a pendrive before installing it for real. And trust me once you go Linux you won't go back, specially if you get into customising it, Windows ain't got nothing on Linux for customizability, checkout r/unixporn for what I'm talking about
 
what it is and where to look.. sorry for noob
its basically some scripts which can strip out Microsoft's bullshit like Cortana, Edge, Defender etc etc and disable all telemetry, people generally dont want to use it because stripping out this stuff can lead to some instabilities in windows, and generally you need to re-install windows to apply updates. For most folks here, its an overkill and instead like what @guest_999 suggested, you can download enterprise versions of windows from Massgrave (famous for their activation scripts) which generally have most of Microsoft's telemetry/AI stuff already stripped out,
 
its basically some scripts which can strip out Microsoft's bullshit like Cortana, Edge, Defender etc etc and disable all telemetry, people generally dont want to use it because stripping out this stuff can lead to some instabilities in windows, and generally you need to re-install windows to apply updates. For most folks here, its an overkill and instead like what @guest_999 suggested, you can download enterprise versions of windows from Massgrave (famous for their activation scripts) which generally have most of Microsoft's telemetry/AI stuff already stripped out,
WinAeroTweaker is a great application.

Honestly, at some point you just want your work done without putting so much effort into these stripping and stuff.
 
But we all know that they will upload this to themselves.

But they're not now, so can we stop saying this again and again. And they'd be in hot water if they do it without completely disclosing this to the users. So let's save this for when they actually are confident enough to start doing this.

The real reason this is a security/privacy nightmare at the moment is because of how badly this seems to have been implemented: all it takes is someone to get into your system (which in Windows' case, there are usually hundreds) and they can easily get the associated DB and content. Could even be another user in the system.

See: https://doublepulsar.com/recall-ste...r-own-windows-pc-is-now-possible-da3e12e9465e

So, they got some work on their hands to do this correctly and safely so that normal users don't get all of their data stolen by script kiddies.

That aside, the usefulness of such a feature is incredibly huge. Lot of compute power now is wasted and will be wasted going into the future. Most people would benefit from having something like this and more local LLM-driven features available to be used in their day-to-day activities. I know I personally would love it but for now, I am concerned with the lazy attitude to security/privacy and would not touch this with a 10-foot pole until all of that is sorted.
 
It is pointless feature in today's age of browser extensions with cloud/multi-device sync of history/passwords which is what typical users need/use. Nobody is interested in "recalling" which random online wallpaper they were seeing in MS edge homepage 2 weeks ago.

If you’ve ever used computers for anything other gaming, you know this feature is not meant for that.

Heck, even with just gaming, I can imagine this helping out with big RPGs such as if I need to remember the areas that I gave up exploring because I wasn’t sufficiently equipped or levelled up or some place that I saw an interesting object just by describing it.

Your views are too limited if you think this is a password manager replacement which is far from the thing it is trying to do here.
 
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