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amit_talkin

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Dear mods,

Please stop deleting my market thread without any reasons, I have already asked for reasons via pm and no mods have replied me in past 15 days. If You want to ban me just do it straight away.
 
1. I had already replied to your PM :-
"There are consecutive complaints about non-working keys."
Discussed with other mods who also agreed.

2. Your new thread seems misleading :-
Re-posting old thread since I needed to make changes to pricing and stuffs.

3. Asking people to delete their queries?
"Please delete this topic, I have made a purchase with the seller.
SEller requested to delete this topic while having conversation with him.
Ty"
 
If there are complains, why cant I see them? There isnt any complain which remain unresolved if You can check. Yes, there were issues recently with keys from my supplier's end but I have resolved all queries. Thats all what matters I guess.
There are no "consecutive" complains on thread as well, neither my user feedback reflects any.

Also, I didn't force anyone to delete topic, i gently asked if your queries has been resolved then they can change/delete the "POST" on my topic to reflect that solution so other buyers dont keep asking me about same issue. I didnt ask anyone to delete their thread. That was their own choice. I didnt even check if they have posted any new thread regarding issues with their purchase made from me. All I check is my thread for any potential issues they facing.

If You are dead set on just closing my thread any how, then just tell me. I won't bother to post it but dont give me misleading reason to delete the thread. There are no negative feedbacks on my profile and there is no complain which is unresolved. And You can ask all the buyers if anyone have any issues so far.
 
Hey, sorry to barge in but my office key wasn't working and you didn't resolve it. I just gave up messaging since you weren't giving any proper resolution and i thought I was the only one with the bad key as there were no negative feedback in the main thread.
 
Hey, sorry to barge in but my office key wasn't working and you didn't resolve it. I just gave up messaging since you weren't giving any proper resolution and i thought I was the only one with the bad key as there were no negative feedback in the main thread.
In Your case I already explained the problem. I request You to go through them first. At my end it seemed key has been already used after it was sent to you. I gave You proofs as well.
Best I could do is to provide You refund. PM me with you UPI ID.
 
Buyers are advised to check if they're actual "Retail" keys or not by running below command in cmd...

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You should get "RETAIL channel" in the Description section. If you get "Volume" or "MAK" means the key is a stolen key either from some organization or from the internet.

As for office products you need to go into the directory where it's installed (using cd command) and then run a similar command.

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The highlighted line should mention "Retail" channel. If it's "Volume_MAK" then again it's stolen or leaked key.
Mine mentions "Volume_KMSClient" which basically means it's activated using a KMS service which is a legit use case for organizations/enterprises but I'm emulating a KMS server which is well... piracy but I don't care.

The point of this post is to make you guys aware what type of key you're buying and if you're getting exactly what you paid for.
 
Try WPS office, its pretty similar to MS office though you may not find all features but for normal use case its pretty good. They will give you 10 day trial period after that you need to register for a free account and it works great without any issue.
 
Try WPS office, its pretty similar to MS office though you may not find all features but for normal use case its pretty good. They will give you 10 day trial period after that you need to register for a free account and it works great without any issue.
I tried Libre and WPS, they are pretty good but there is always a chance that the document gets a little misaligned (or a lot, specially with Libre) when opened in MS Word.


Please pardon my ignorance, if the seller is selling retail keys and suppose something goes wrong, the best one can do is give another key / agree to refund the amount which he is doing. So what is wrong here? Please help me understand the problem here as I'm also his customer and would like to understand what can go wrong in the future.


PS: I purchased a key from him and everything is working fine.
 
I tried Libre and WPS, they are pretty good but there is always a chance that the document gets a little misaligned (or a lot, specially with Libre) when opened in MS Word.
Oh didn't notice such issues upto now though my main use is csv files that be huge in size with more than 1L rows, Thankfully no issues upto now but will keep your input in mind.

Regarding MS keys, Since I haven't purchased them online so can't comment but others with more experience in online purchase would be able to give better insight.
 
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Oh didn't notice such issues upto now though my main use is csv files that be huge in size with more than 1L rows, Thankfully no issues upto now but will keep your input in mind.
Yes, they work pretty well in CSV files and Excel.

The problem might arise in Word and PowerPoint when the document created in Libre is opened in MS Office. Although Libre is getting better with each update but still it is far from perfect. I haven't personally used WPS that much so YMMV.
 
Yes, they work pretty well in CSV files and Excel.

The problem might arise in Word and PowerPoint when the document created in Libre is opened in MS Office. Although Libre is getting better with each update but still it is far from perfect. I haven't personally used WPS that much so YMMV.
Try WPS, this might prove better than Libre
 
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At the prices the OP was quoting, why am I not surprised.

No. Frankly I am a little surprised that even without any rep, buyers paid you advance. I guess it was more down to the quoted prices. If you are unsure on whether the so called "retail" keys are supposed to work, you could have taken the money after the user confirms that the the key worked. That way you could have built up your reputation till the time you could demand advance payment. Besides as a reseller, you are better off getting a reseller tag and then posting in the appropriate section.
I don't see why would You be surprised if someone pays me in advance or not. Its not like I joined this forum last year and started selling stuffs. I have been here for more than a decade and before I started selling MS keys, I have sold some hardware here too. And then again, I had posted my heatware feedback link which is pretty much acceptable feedback platform on most of reputable tech forums which I am sure You know of. And those feedback span over a decade, without having any negative feedback in there. And if thats not enough, i have no negative feedback here and almost 40 feedback which users have left. There are many deals where users dont post feedback and I am not even counting them.

But the kind of posts I am reading above, it seems these feedback are useless. As I can't see any user complains where user is unsatisfied with a solution given to them, ( except the one above posted by @rockstah. His case is different, I have explained to him via PM and I don't want that buyer-seller transcript here unless He wants it. ). With no visible negative feedback, I dont know what exactly mods' problem here to delete my thread.

If you are unsure on whether the so called "retail" keys are supposed to work, you could have taken the money after the user confirms that the the key worked.

I sell around 1000 keys per month. My suppliers sell them in range of 5k to 10k keys. Sometimes it happens that one lot of key is bad, and there are many reasons there for that lot to be a bad.
In last few sales I got bad keys from suppliers , which I sold to buyers here, they complained to me and I gave them replacement. Even some replacement were bad so I had to ask customers to give me teamviewer detail so that I can test a lot of keys myself and give them working key. Then report back bad keys to my suppliers. Which is a win win for everyone. But mods take this is as "so many complaints" .I get it, its so many, but I have given all users replacement which I am supposed to provide, so why is this even an issue?
 
I don't see why would You be surprised if someone pays me in advance or not. Its not like I joined this forum last year and started selling stuffs. I have been here for more than a decade and before I started selling MS keys, I have sold some hardware here too. And then again, I had posted my heatware feedback link which is pretty much acceptable feedback platform on most of reputable tech forums which I am sure You know of. And those feedback span over a decade, without having any negative feedback in there. And if thats not enough, i have no negative feedback here and almost 40 feedback which users have left. There are many deals where users dont post feedback and I am not even counting them.
My apologies. For some reason, your feedback was not showing for me. I am using Bromite and I had to clear the cache and login again. I have removed my comment. My bad as I mistook you for a new reseller.
 
@amit_talkin I didn't redeem the first key for a few months, that was on me but you provided a replacement key which i redeemed in a week but it showed that it was used in another account. You showed that your supplier checked and then only you sent the key but i know that the key didn't work. Later said you'd check with your supplier again but there was no reply after that. I let it go too after talking to my friend and saying that you couldn't provide the key.
 
@amit_talkin I didn't redeem the first key for a few months, that was on me but you provided a replacement key which i redeemed in a week but it showed that it was used in another account. You showed that your supplier checked and then only you sent the key but i know that the key didn't work. Later said you'd check with your supplier again but there was no reply after that. I let it go too after talking to my friend and saying that you couldn't provide the key.
All retail keys come with 10 online and 20 offline (by phone) activations. After 10 online activations are exhausted then you may see an error that the key is already used or invalid. To resolve that you have to do activation via phone/IVR method.

I'm not blaming anyone here of selling used keys but getting cheap keys must have a downside.
 
I didn't redeem the first key for a few months, that was on me but you provided a replacement key which i redeemed in a week but it showed that it was used in another account.
I'm not sure what is the norm but unused keys get reused/expired after some time. For eg. I bought Orange Box and some 2 other games (the official original Steam / Valve packaged box with disc and key) from Amazon/Flipkart like around 2012. I didn't activate the game for over a year. I made my Steam account sometime in 2013 and tried to activate it, Steam said that the key is already registered. I was shocked as this was probably my first original game purchase. I contacted Steam, they asked to contact the retailer, I contacted Amazon/Flipkart, it went to and fro for a few times. Steam CC even asked for proof of purchase and I provided the same, but they didn't do anything stating some BS. The Steam CC guy told me to activate the keys as soon as bought, otherwise they get reused, even a printed key which came in a physical box from the official manufacturer.

PS: Not pointing fingers towards anyone, just stating my experience that these things can happen even when you buy directly from the manufacturer. I didn't buy any original game for few years after that sour experience.


All retail keys come with 10 online and 20 offline (by phone) activations. After 10 online activations are exhausted then you may see an error that the key is already used or invalid. To resolve that you have to do activation via phone/IVR method.
What about MS Account bind Office 2021 HB keys?
 
What about MS Account bind Office 2021 HB keys?
Once the key is bound to a MS account then it's usable on the same PC it was activated on as many number of times as you want. At least that's what I've experienced.
It still has individual 10 online + 20 offline activations. You can activate products just via keys and not sign-in with your account.

Also the keys which are expiring after some time even if unused indicate that these might be keys claimed from MVS (Previously known as MSDN or Technet) subscription accounts which are allowed to claim product keys for several Microsoft products but only once per product per account. These keys once claimed are valid for certain time period only so as to discourage stocking and reselling. Hence why there are "bad batches" of keys from resellers.

MSDN/MVS keys are valid and genuine and once activated will stay activated on the system but key can no longer be used after certain time for more activations. But MSDN/MVS keys are not meant to be sold, that is illegal and against the ToS of MS.
 
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@amit_talkin I didn't redeem the first key for a few months, that was on me but you provided a replacement key which i redeemed in a week but it showed that it was used in another account. You showed that your supplier checked and then only you sent the key but i know that the key didn't work. Later said you'd check with your supplier again but there was no reply after that. I let it go too after talking to my friend and saying that you couldn't provide the key.
Bro, I already discussed this with You. I already offered You refund on first time before I sent You replacement but You insist on new key. Which I provided You with a proof that it is valid and working key.
Then after few days You shown me a screenshot that key is not working. Which I politely denied that its not possible. Why? I also explained it to You in details in PM. I also asked Your UPI ID in this thread above, but instead of accepting refund You just want to drag this further in public, then so be it. I will refund your payment, but not like being a loser. Please create new thread in complains section with Your queries, let everyone see it. You can share all PM chat and all, I will post my proofs.
Once the key is bound to a MS account then it's usable on the same PC it was activated on as many number of times as you want. At least that's what I've experienced.
It still has individual 10 online + 20 offline activations. You can activate products just via keys and not sign-in with your account.

Also the keys which are expiring after some time even if unused indicate that these might be keys claimed from MVS (Previously known as MSDN or Technet) subscription accounts which are allowed to claim product keys for several Microsoft products but only once per product per account. These keys once claimed are valid for certain time period only so as to discourage stocking and reselling. Hence why there are "bad batches" of keys from resellers.

MSDN/MVS keys are valid and genuine and once activated will stay activated on the system but key can no longer be used after certain time for more activations. But MSDN/MVS keys are not meant to be sold, that is illegal and against the ToS of MS.

My supplier offers 3 kind of key, FPP, MSDN and Retail. The ones I sell here are retail. Only Home & Student I sell here is FPP. FPP has the longest shelf life among these 3. MSDN I used to sell in 2009, then I realized its not worth to sell if I want to be in business for long term. Then there are 5PC and 1PC bind/ non-bind keys for Office editions. I don't list 5PC keys here. Its only few Rs. higher than 1PC keys but I dont sell it because these keys get sold to multiple buyers, and even then they squeeze phone activation out of it. I only sell 1PC bind key because its safe for customer. Once its bind, You are set for lifetime and no one else can use it except the user on whose account its bound to. I initially offered Win10 5PC keys in my thread. But after selling like 2 keys, I stopped offering it because one of the keys stopped activating after 3PCs. I got some queries for those keys and I honestly told them that these keys are bad and got some complains and I m not selling them anymore. And then there comes warranty time from suppliers' end. Less warranty days keys are cheaper but unreliable. I always get best available. You just cant stay in business if you do low-ball.

Yes, ofcourse this keys are way cheaper. Specially Windows keys, and user should understand there must be some down sides getting those one. I also explain my warranty terms when user buy keys ( which I initially didnt realize that I have to explain, because its became my routine to sell in bulk, and there no one asks such things ).

The keys I sell are similar to those MS keys promotional news posts You see on front page of techpowerup and guru3d. I even used to sell on Kinguin until last year, almost 4 times the price of what I am offering here. I am offering it cheap on TE because this is one of the oldest forums I have been on to and it brings nostalgia to me.

I created this thread because my FS thread deleted wrongfully. Customer satisfaction is always my first priority. I wish some of customers who has left feedback for me could reply here with their user experience and how I treated them. I am not expecting always positive, but I am sure they would agree that I try my best. Here, my recent transcript with my supplier regarding recent issues because of which this all happened. Its not like that my supplier wants to scam me or anyone, but in digital goods such things happen.


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