Forum Feedback Need for strict guidelines in Market Section.

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zhopudey

zhopudey

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After yesterday's fiasco, I felt that the mods need to really crack down on the market section. A few points that I thought about:-


  • Any sale in the market section is a personal sale, and as such, has nothing to do with current retail prices.

  • The price at which any products sells at on TE, does not in any way set a standard for similar products that are for sale.

  • Any negotiations should be solely between the buyer and the seller

  • The seller reserves the right to decide to whom he wants to sell. Just because a potential buyer is the first to post or PM, doesn't mean he will get higher priority. And this has nothing to do with ethics. Remember, this is a personal sale. The seller is not obliged to do anything here.

So how can we whip up the market section in shape? Taking cues from other forums, I thought of a few ideas. They might seem rather drastic...

  • All market threads will have only the seller's posts.

  • Expected price is mandatory. But the final selling price should not be mentioned anywhere. Remember this is a personal sale.

  • The mod in charge of market is the only one who can post there, besides the seller.

  • Any member who feels obligated to crap the thread, can PM the mod instead.

  • Any and all negotiations should take place only through PM (or IM).

  • The market threads can have 2 prominent buttons, for "PM the mod", and "PM the seller", to help the newbies.
Which brings us to the new members. Most concerns are about the newbies getting duped. For that, I have some suggestions:-


  1. New members should not be allowed to post in the market section unless they have a certain number of posts to their credit. Say 25. And these should be in the tech section - not in general talk.

  • There could be a permanant header to all posts in the market section (if this is possible); sort of like a disclamer. It can mention stuff like - "Please check up on the warranty of the product", "Check the seller's iTrader ratings", and "Please PM the mods for any doubts regarding this sale".
 
Will need lot of work on the mod's behalf i guess. But if its done i am not against this as recently market threads went out of hands.

One more suggestion.

Do not compare to any personal sale from Market in your thread/ offer/ GO/ Deal.

Appoint mods who are really willing to devote their time there. Multiple mods need to keep close eye on market and at least screen though the new threads posted. Current Market Mod is MIA afaik :P But other Gmods are there :)

If this cant be done atleast give option for seller to delete any posts in his own thread.
 
great opinions

+1 vote

If this can/cant be done atleast give option for seller to delete any posts in his own thread
 
I have always believed, A fair deal cant be crapped.

But yeah, giving the seller the right to delete posts in his Market thread is not a bad idea.
 
vij said:
I have always believed, A fair deal cant be crapped.

But yeah, giving the seller the right to delete posts in his Market thread is not a bad idea.
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That is my point. :D These are personal deals, and hence don't even have to be fair. Its all between the seller and the buyer.
 
zhopudey said:
That is my point. :D These are personal deals, and hence don't even have to be fair. Its all between the seller and the buyer.
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I dont entirely agree that anyone can sell anything on his terms here without having to answer Questions. We are a community, not just a free one-way market portal for anyone to come selling his used stuff at abysmal rates.
 
vij said:
I have always believed, A fair deal cant be crapped.

But yeah, giving the seller the right to delete posts in his Market thread is not a bad idea.
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Heh, dont believe in that. Fair or even good deal can be easily crapped.
Say i put my E6600 for sale @ 6k with no real intention of selling it. This might ruin the thread of some other person. And I in the end dont sell it. What to be done in that case.
Or take a case where I dont mind loosing a lot of money as i want to dispose something off quickly. Does this mean everyone should sell at my price? It does not. There is no real defination of fair deal. Any 2nd hand deal that is lower than local market price is fair deal. As simple as that.
 
Only yesterday I was talking to Masky about this:

There is one simple permission in the VB "Forum Permissions" page which reads:



This rule is implemented in XS. Here, only the OP can reply to his threads..... so the basic form of thread crapping is ruled out.

This is "Personal classifieds".... take your community help elsewhere. You are no one to decide what price is fair and what is not IF you are NOT THE BUYER NOR THE SELLER.

Few simple rules would help tighten the market section right up.

Regards,
Karan Misra
 
vij said:
I dont entirely agree that anyone can sell anything on his terms here without having to answer Questions. We are a community, not just a free one-way market portal for anyone to come selling his used stuff at abysmal rates.
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Yes, we are a community, hence the buyer can ask around before purchasing anything. But nothing needs to be mentioned in the sale thread itself.
 
zhopudey said:
Yes, we are a community, hence the buyer can ask around before purchasing anything. But nothing needs to be mentioned in the sale thread itself.
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Cmon, you mean we can have threads abt deals going around in market.
Thats even worse...
@ Karan
Im not going to take my community help anywhere else...:bleh:
 
See its not buyer's place only. You are only looking at it from Buyer's POV.

Seller is caught in bad and unjustified situations sometime because of that.Its buyer's responsibility to check current market price. There are online sites for that which are regularly updated or he can call up any local dealer.

Or ask about current market price of some item. Thats fine.

But under no condition anyone has right to judge if something is fare price or not.

Its less than market price for 2nd hand item then its not unfair. Its not like everyone is trying to sell something at more than market price. And if that happens then as a user u r free to point that out to mods and to seller via PM. Thats the fair practice. And thats max you should interfere in someone else's thread.

When u r caught in this situation you will understand. Not before that.
 
Funky said:
See its not buyer's place only. You are only looking at it from Buyer's POV.

Seller is caught in bad and unjustified situations sometime because of that.Its buyer's responsibility to check current market price. There are online sites for that which are regularly updated or he can call up any local dealer.

Or ask about current market price of some item. Thats fine.

But under no condition anyone has right to judge if something is fare price or not.

Its less than market price for 2nd hand item then its not unfair. Its not like everyone is trying to sell something at more than market price. And if that happens then as a user u r free to point that out to mods and to seller via PM. Thats the fair practice. And thats max you should interfere in someone else's thread.

When u r caught in this situation you will understand. Not before that.
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Twice my friend :) When it happens the second time around... you really feel the pinch :)
 
Me too agree with zhop's suggestions. Market Section should be more like a classified section, only seller posts the item for sale with expected price and the contact info. Further seller can bump the thread once in a day or update if any price revision happens.

I for one is never comfortable posting on the sale thread, always do it thru PMs.
 
Most of the time the guys here dont post irrelevant stuff...but all it takes is one loose post and then the torrent starts. I dont think anyone of us can say whats a fair price, as long as its less than retail.

What happened yesterday, actually made like in the market section more interesting than it normally is.
I for one, loved the competition and was dissapointed that the price did not fall further..i was ready to buy at a particular price point, but that didnt happen.

if some seller wants to sell at a lower price or a purchaser has a lower price that he wants to buy at, then thats something that should be discussed in a PM or Email only.

my 2 cents
 
Yup, Agree with Zhops, Funky and Kid0. This thread crapping has been happening a lot lately. Not to mention few newbies who are here only coz of market section and have got enough courage to ask for 60% of seller's price even though the market rule says bidding is not allowed. I honestly believe its time to crackdown on few things and make the market section much more appealing
 
Its not even been 12 hours since you posted. Its not a decision for a single mod to take.

We will discuss it further between staff while we expect the members to further refine the suggestions put forward.

Something as drastic as this would take some time to be implemented AFTER it is decided upon. And the hacks would take even longer as it requires spare admin processing time. :P
 
Renegade said:
it requires spare admin processing time. :P
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heh, yeah. :bleh:

Thats why i suggested that option to let the Seller delete the posts in his thread. That can be done anytime :)
 
Renegade said:
Its not even been 12 hours since you posted. Its not a decision for a single mod to take.
We will discuss it further between staff while we expect the members to further refine the suggestions put forward.
Something as drastic as this would take some time to be implemented AFTER it is decided upon. And the hacks would take even longer as it requires spare admin processing time. :P
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But we would like to know what the mods think about this. Are all changes possible, are any changes needed...do the mods think these will have any negative effects...

Talk to us.
 
Well Mask and I discussed your suggestions while you were telling him yesterday and I would say that I agree with most of them.
I felt they are more seller centric and they would invite one extra thread asking for price.

Anyway to counter that it should be mandatory for the seller to mention the selling price as well as the present market price as well.

If anyone feels the market price is not right then he can PM the seller or the mod. But tell me will the members do it. As has been seen, people like to increase their post count and crap in public but refrain from using PM.

OT: since most of the regular members check out threads in feedback in search of a good controversy.. :P j/k. So I want to use this opportunity to ask you guys to take a look at my sig and follow the link and well join the team TE at WCG. Please dont reply to my OT here, just follow the link ask all you want there.
 
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