singenaadam
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Market Feedback Nexus 4 purchase from The Knight
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The Nexus 4 screen cracking randomly has happened to a lot of people, even when they bought it directly from Google. It doesn't necessarily mean the screen was not original. However, the SIM tray and back panel points to the phone being refurbished.
That being said, while I can sympathize with you, you bought a product that was discontinued in 2013 yet marked new. That itself should have been a huge red flag. It was a bad purchase in the first place and even more unfortunate that you bought it for a friend.
That being said, while I can sympathize with you, you bought a product that was discontinued in 2013 yet marked new. That itself should have been a huge red flag. It was a bad purchase in the first place and even more unfortunate that you bought it for a friend.
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Sorry but a new nexus 4 in warranty was available that time while i purchased from The Knight (not from Google). Also even after a company stops producing a particular model, it is very likely that you can find Brand new sealed units in the local market even after months.
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Sorry but a new nexus 4 in warranty was available that time while i purchased from The Knight (not from Google). Also even after a company stops producing a particular model, it is very likely that you can find Brand new sealed units in the local market even after months.
In the local market, yes. India is famous for things like that. Importing from a country like the US or UK, more unlikely (not sure where your device was imported from).
No sale is allowed without the item is in ones possession. Its not the question of having the item with you but owning the item that you have.
The onus lies with the buyers to make sure that they arent purchasing from someone who cant own the item they are selling and are speaking about a third party here whom the buyer has no direct contact with or is not convinced to go ahead with the deal.
Also, its sellers responsibility to be accountable to what they sell here.
We can look into banning the reselling of import phones, since most of these middle-men have questionable sources. I was against this form of reselling earlier as well, but at the time I guess members were more tempted by the lucrative pricing. Now that the issues have started, it's a good time to look into doing away with these. What say ?
First we must stop this ' I'm buying for a friend ' , 'I'm selling for a friend ' , ' I'm making no profit out of this deal ' . All this BS must stop first .Then we can get a general consensus on what you said above @Crazy_Eddy .
chetansha
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When model x is available in india for 30k and same model could be imported and re-sold for 20k,, then its a win win situation for both buyer and seller.
Doing away with these things is like throwing out the baby with the water.
But if a buyer is comfortable buying without seeing pic of actual item before purchase then we cant blame seller alone.
And when a refurb/stolen/blacklisted model can be imported and re-sold for the same 20k, it's an even bigger win for the seller. A seller will not be transparent about his source, neither are there any invoices, and without knowing where he sourced it from, there is just no accountability.
Apologies for bumping but I saw this thread only today.
Was the N4 in warranty when it was bought? I didn't see any info. in the thread.
How would someone know if its a refurb product (parts replaced) or not? And how would someone know that without going to the service center? I mean if a buyer trust the seller and the product works fine when bought then I don't think the buyer would know about it being adulterated (unless the buyer is well-versed with the product which didn't seemed to happened in this case) or would he? I personally wouldn't know and wouldn't even bother to find out because of that "trust." Also the refurb was confirmed only after the phone was given to the service center which was not needed then.
What I'm trying to say is the buyer was apparently taken for a ride (even if the seller selling the refurb phone "might" not have been intentional) because of the trust which he had on the seller(which is how a community like our's is based upon) so i wouldn't blame him for it. Seller should have known about the phone being a refurb.
Was the N4 in warranty when it was bought? I didn't see any info. in the thread.
How would someone know if its a refurb product (parts replaced) or not? And how would someone know that without going to the service center? I mean if a buyer trust the seller and the product works fine when bought then I don't think the buyer would know about it being adulterated (unless the buyer is well-versed with the product which didn't seemed to happened in this case) or would he? I personally wouldn't know and wouldn't even bother to find out because of that "trust." Also the refurb was confirmed only after the phone was given to the service center which was not needed then.
What I'm trying to say is the buyer was apparently taken for a ride (even if the seller selling the refurb phone "might" not have been intentional) because of the trust which he had on the seller(which is how a community like our's is based upon) so i wouldn't blame him for it. Seller should have known about the phone being a refurb.
I'm in favor of this. Better be safe than sorry.
And please, and i mean it PLEASE, don't do this.
It may seem like but it actually isn't. (reasons already given above and by eddy also).
avi
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Wow what TE has become. Everyone here blaming the buyer instead of solving the issue. (I am having the worst day today and this thread made me even more sad)
OP is in a terrible situation, feels cheated. We should try our best to help him and also the seller, so that everyone is happy at the end.
and yeah, when the listing says brand new, it should be f*cking brand new. I remember about @bking issue. I needed an android and was thinking to buy. I was asking people around how do you check an android whether its new or old. With Apple it's easy, key in IMEI, you get all the details. Also details about refurb or new. I couldn't find out how. (later after 2 months, I bought a new one anyways)
OP is in a terrible situation, feels cheated. We should try our best to help him and also the seller, so that everyone is happy at the end.
and yeah, when the listing says brand new, it should be f*cking brand new. I remember about @bking issue. I needed an android and was thinking to buy. I was asking people around how do you check an android whether its new or old. With Apple it's easy, key in IMEI, you get all the details. Also details about refurb or new. I couldn't find out how. (later after 2 months, I bought a new one anyways)
rdst_1
Juggernaut
I rarely try and comment when such policies are being discussed because I have been a reseller myself and don't want to manipulate the opinion of the masses.
A small time reseller usually buys and sells used phones in good condition. If you look at the no of such deals, you'll find that in 99% cases the buyer is usually happy. None of the people who bought from me have ever faced a problem. Reason being, I for one, understand and appreciate how a forum works. I have friends on forums abroad whom I can send money anytime without even taking a look at the product. But I still never do that. In this particular case, the blame lies with the seller. A buyer would usually do his due-diligence in case of an individual sale, but this was a GO and IIRC, a GO never used to have any pictures or major details as all products used to be new. I personally know importers like the one The Knight knows who can provide me with 200 phones right now, but I never resell their phones even on OLX or eBay or the likes, because I know the quality of their products, even if they look new, are usually refurbs or seller repaired. I myself got my hands on a Note 3 that Knight was selling via a swap for a phone I was selling and the phone was great and new, but the IMEI sticker on the box was torn and the accessories were good quality copies. These things made me raise my eyebrows and I personally never bought anything from him. I wanted to say something against his thread but I am not someone to say anything just on speculation.
I have personally bought and resold phones without boxes and even with boxes where IMEI don't match. But in those cases, I always check the phones properly or know the details of the phone from the sellers. When you buy and sell so many phones, you know what questions to ask in order to ascertain whether a phone is factory refurb or seller refurb.
I would be ok with whatever decision you guys make regarding the policies. Just wanted to add my two cents hoping it helps.
A small time reseller usually buys and sells used phones in good condition. If you look at the no of such deals, you'll find that in 99% cases the buyer is usually happy. None of the people who bought from me have ever faced a problem. Reason being, I for one, understand and appreciate how a forum works. I have friends on forums abroad whom I can send money anytime without even taking a look at the product. But I still never do that. In this particular case, the blame lies with the seller. A buyer would usually do his due-diligence in case of an individual sale, but this was a GO and IIRC, a GO never used to have any pictures or major details as all products used to be new. I personally know importers like the one The Knight knows who can provide me with 200 phones right now, but I never resell their phones even on OLX or eBay or the likes, because I know the quality of their products, even if they look new, are usually refurbs or seller repaired. I myself got my hands on a Note 3 that Knight was selling via a swap for a phone I was selling and the phone was great and new, but the IMEI sticker on the box was torn and the accessories were good quality copies. These things made me raise my eyebrows and I personally never bought anything from him. I wanted to say something against his thread but I am not someone to say anything just on speculation.
I have personally bought and resold phones without boxes and even with boxes where IMEI don't match. But in those cases, I always check the phones properly or know the details of the phone from the sellers. When you buy and sell so many phones, you know what questions to ask in order to ascertain whether a phone is factory refurb or seller refurb.
I would be ok with whatever decision you guys make regarding the policies. Just wanted to add my two cents hoping it helps.
@Mods, kindly decide on taking some strict action against @The Knight. The guy is still freely selling similar refurb/repaired phones. Recent case of a Note 3:
https://www.techenclave.com/communi...laxy-note-3-major-update.171679/#post-2008724
By now, if the seller wasn't really at fault and not knowingly doing such things, he should have stopped such sales long back. I see he is still selling such phones on TE as well as Erodov(Apparently he is a Section Mod on Erodov where he actively responds to people blaming him which isn't the case here on TE)
Have a look at his below post:
https://www.techenclave.com/communi...laxy-note-3-major-update.171679/#post-2008724
By now, if the seller wasn't really at fault and not knowingly doing such things, he should have stopped such sales long back. I see he is still selling such phones on TE as well as Erodov(Apparently he is a Section Mod on Erodov where he actively responds to people blaming him which isn't the case here on TE)
Have a look at his below post:
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I just checked and don't see any threads of his listed here. It would be wrong on our part to penalise someone for what they are doing on another forum.
At best you can ensure people are aware of the hassles you had via this thread and via itrader feedback (which I see hasn't been submitted).
Were you able to resolve your issue with your phone?
Yes lg replaced the display and digitizer assembly after keeping the phone with them for 28 days as the part was out of stock. They also confirmed that the display was an oem one and not an original one as it had some signature on them similar to the ones which are done to identify the seller of the part if purchased outside of lg. . When i asked for the broken one back while collecting phone after 2 days of they changing the display, they had already put the broken one from my phone in a huge carton with broken nexus 4 displays. I tried to find mine for 10 mins in that but couldn't.
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raksrules
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Better buy brand new phone from a reliable online / offline store. Don't trade couple of thousand rupees for peace of mind.
@Crazy_Eddy Have a look at the below WTB post where is sold a LG G2 to the OP.
https://www.techenclave.com/community/threads/lg-g2-d802.171210/#post-2008031
Also recent Note 3 sale thread (purchased from The Knight on 9th Jan by @shantanilroy:
https://www.techenclave.com/community/threads/samsung-galaxy-note-3-major-update.171679/
Isn't it true that he has done the same to TE members in the past. No offence meant but can we take it this way!! You have a shop and you know there is a guy who sells fake stuff to shopkeepers on the same street as your shop, but hasnt done the same with you till now. Will you ban him from entering your shop or wait for him to do the same to you? Note: this is just an example
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