Nintendo DS Vs Sony PSP !

[deathdemon89]

You did say a lot of stuff is wrong with the PSP's buttons. Read your own post and you'll know. Blabbering on about how the triggers are too high, how the buttons are too clicky etc etc. That's what you've been saying.

I was comparing them to the other handhelds I've used,not stating that something was wrong with them :hap5:

You do have a choice. Get a DS and play on it.

Gonna do that anyway

And BTW I thought u said there weren't any good games available for the PSP.

Uh,last year,yes I did say that.And it was a perfectly justified statement,like any unbiased PSP owner would tell you hyeah:

Why do you wanna pay this "small price" to play mav hunter n stuff then? Port it to the DS y don't u? Why play on the PSP at all if the controls suck? Huh? Huh?

Uh,because you cant port PSP games to the DS? Like you can't port DS games to the PSP? This is getting pretty ridiculous,stop acting so childish Whats gotten into you anyway? Accept the facts,Dart! :lol:

 

[Deathdart]

I was comparing them to the other handhelds I've used,not stating that something was wrong with them

No you were not. Read your post

Gonna do that anyway

Then quit whining about the PSP. It's a damn fine gaming system I don't find anything wrong with the controls or anything (except the nub) and there are a million other people on this planet who will back me up.

Uh,last year,yes I did say that.And it was a perfectly justified statement,like any unbiased PSP owner would tell you

Even last year you seemed to enjoy MGA, Midnight Club etc. What about those?

Uh,because you cant port PSP games to the DS? Like you can't port DS games to the PSP? This is getting pretty ridiculous,stop acting so childish Whats gotten into you anyway? Accept the facts,Dart!

Exactly. That should settle the debate about whether or not the PSP is capable of better games. If you wanna stick to the PSP for these games, then it proves that the system is capable of great games. Grow up and admit it.

 

[deathdemon89]

No you were not. Read your post

This is my post:

Nope thats not what I was talking about.Im talking about the smoothness of the gameplay,and the buttons themselves.The D-pad is too low,and is depressed in the centre.That makes it harder to maneuver in different directions.The PSP isn't the only one with such a D-pad,the PSOne and PS2 D-pads were the same.But one doesn't use the D-pad on consoles so frequently anyway,so it doesn't matter.The bad D-pad is a glaring flaw in the PSP because its used very frequently.The shoulder triggers are too high and aren't very tight.The face buttons have too much of a "clicky" feel to them,a problem which the GBA SP suffered from too,and was rectified in the Micro.The analog nub is very good,and perhaps the tightest Iv ever used.But its too small and gets tough to control when your fingers get sweaty,due to its size.

Meh do I have to spoonfeed everything? :|

Then quit whining about the PSP. It's a damn fine gaming system I don't find anything wrong with the controls or anything (except the nub) and there are a million other people on this planet who will back me up.

Yeah and Im one of those million.But not regarding this point...

I don't find anything wrong with the controls or anything

I would simply be lying if I said that.

Even last year you seemed to enjoy MGA, Midnight Club etc. What about those?

Two games,Dart.When I had just bought the GBA I would buy three-four every month.

Exactly. That should settle the debate about whether or not the PSP is capable of better games. If you wanna stick to the PSP for these games, then it proves that the system is capable of great games. Grow up and admit it.

Im getting pretty sick of your uninformed one-sided comments.I'm stating completely valid points while all you say is

The PSP is Great! You Suck! DS sucks!

Why am I even bothering? I hope you realise that all this started by you calling me biased towards the DS.Now take a look at the thread and check out who's being biased.:no:
What am I supposed to grow up and admit? That the PSP is a great gadget?

The PSP is an awesome gadget,and I like it a lot.

^ The PSP is a crazy little device,you'd be missing out on it

The PSP is truly an awesome piece of hardware

I have no idea what you expect me to say.That the PSP is the greatest invention of mankind since the wheel? The DS has released more games for the PSP,and those games have been better than those on the PSP so far.I don't even expect you to admit it anymore,but its a fact.Live with it.

 

[Deathdart]

This is your post:

Originally Posted by Deathdemon89
Nope thats not what I was talking about.Im talking about the smoothness of the gameplay,and the buttons themselves.The D-pad is too low,and is depressed in the centre.That makes it harder to maneuver in different directions.The PSP isn't the only one with such a D-pad,the PSOne and PS2 D-pads were the same.But one doesn't use the D-pad on consoles so frequently anyway,so it doesn't matter.The bad D-pad is a glaring flaw in the PSP because its used very frequently.The shoulder triggers are too high and aren't very tight.The face buttons have too much of a "clicky" feel to them,a problem which the GBA SP suffered from too,and was rectified in the Micro.The analog nub is very good,and perhaps the tightest Iv ever used.But its too small and gets tough to control when your fingers get sweaty,due to its size.

Now read it. Do I have to spoonfeed everything??? Two can play the highlighting game demon.

Two games,Dart.When I had just bought the GBA I would buy three-four every month.

That's only cause the cost of GBA games is about 1/10th the cost of PSP games. You would've bought 3-4 PSP games every month too if they were cheap.

The PSP is Great! You Suck! DS sucks!

When did I ever say that? The DS does not suck. It's a good device. I'm even considering buying a DS myself.

Only $145 USD? Nice... I might get this if it's not TOO small.

You don't suck either. Maybe you're the king of whining-land and you complain about everything even though nothing's really wrong, but you're OK anyway.

The DS has released more games for the PSP,and those games have been better than those on the PSP so far.I don't even expect you to admit it anymore,but its a fact.Live with it.

Yes, there are more games available for the DS, but it's not like there aren't any games on the PSP that can match the DS games. Besides, most of the good/innovative DS games are way too kiddish. Not my taste. I believe this would be a matter of our own likes and dislikes. You like Mega Man and Nintendogs, I like Burnout and PoP. I know you liked these games on your PS2 better, but that doesn't make the PSP version bad. I enjoyed both these games very much. I know most PSP games are ports, but that doesn't make them bad either. In fact, most of the ports are better and have more features than the originals.

 

[Deathdart]

I couldn't find many PSP reviews that included much info about the buttons, but what I did find is this:

Engadget:

The front of the PSP unit has the directional pad on the left side, and the analog thumb stick (looks like speaker mesh) below that. The analog thumb stick is quite a burden to use since it’s so far down, as there is no thumb support from the unit when you use it. It was fine to play Ridge Racers with it, but after 15 minutes, we felt as if we were getting thumbitis with a sore thumb joint. To the right of the LCD is the standard circle, square, triangle, and x buttons any Playstation junkie has become accustomed to. The left and right trigger buttons are at the top of the unit and are clear, looking a bit like jewelry. All buttons on our review unit were easy to press and click fast if necessary.

IGN:

This design has worked pretty well with everything we've tried. It's a tad odd at first, sure, but it certainly works. The layout of the other buttons is standard enough that if you're used to a PS2 Dual Shock 2 controller, then you should feel right at home. They're a bit tougher than the Dual Shock 2 (though this could be due to it not being entirely worn-in yet) but this makes sense as the PSP is a portable device.

PCMag:

Controls are where they should be, and they are responsive.

MobileTechReview.com:

The gaming ergonomics are excellent and the small analog controller works well, as do the standard Playstation buttons when gaming. Unlike hybrid devices, you won't be crying for better control, and unlike the GBA your fingers won't go into spasms working in such a confined area.

People seem to have a problem with the analog nub but no one has any problems with the PSP's buttons except you. The buttons are great! I have no idea why you're complaining!

 

[deathdemon89]

Now read it. Do I have to spoonfeed everything??? Two can play the highlighting game demon

All those things I said were what I didn't like in the PSP,but that doesn't change the fact that I said them in comparison to other controls.Lol just because you highlight all the parts where I stated what I found to be lacking in the PSP,it doesn't mean I wasn't comparing it.

That's only cause the cost of GBA games is about 1/10th the cost of PSP games. You would've bought 3-4 PSP games every month too if they were cheap.

Well,if you would have said that last year,I would have laughed my heart out.I don't buy games just for the sake of buying them,I buy them to play them.And other than Lumines,MGA and MC3,there were absolutely no good games.Even if NFS and those other dumb excuses for games were half the price of GBA games I wouldn't have bought them.

Yes, there are more games available for the DS, but it's not like there aren't any games on the PSP that can match the DS games. Besides, most of the good/innovative DS games are way too kiddish. Not my taste. I believe this would be a matter of our own likes and dislikes. You like Mega Man and Nintendogs, I like Burnout and PoP.

Yes,what games we like is a matter of personal preference,but that doesn't mean that the DS doesn't have better games.

I know you liked these games on your PS2 better, but that doesn't make the PSP version bad. I enjoyed both these games very much. I know most PSP games are ports, but that doesn't make them bad either.In fact, most of the ports are better and have more features than the originals.

AFAIK the only game that offered actual bonus content was X-Men Legends,in the form of some new characters and some tacked-on missions,kind of like those half-baked new levels in PoP,which did more harm than good.Other than that,the ports almost always have worse textures,excruciating load times and in some cases,half the levels that made the original so good are completely omitted(King Kong).And all those reviews you posted simply described the buttons,not how well they worked as compared to other handhelds,and not how they worked while playing games.And this one:

The gaming ergonomics are excellent and the small analog controller works well, as do the standard Playstation buttons when gaming. Unlike hybrid devices, you won't be crying for better control, and unlike the GBA your fingers won't go into spasms working in such a confined area.

is totaly absurd since the GBA and PSP have almost the same width.Unless they were talking about the SP,in which case I agree.
Anyway Im tired of this and I don't really care what you think anymore.I still think the DS holds more scope for innovation than the PSP,and Im gonna stick to that until I see games on the PSP that can boast of sales figures like that of Nintendogs.

 

[Deathdart]

Dude, nintendogs is a completely BS game. It's only for girls and little 3 year old kids. That's probably why it's selling so much, cause girls don't buy any action games and little kids aren't allowed to play any action games. It's not selling because it's a good game, it's selling because people have no other option. Now there's a similar doggy game under development for the PSP too, but I think that's gonna be BS too even if it sells.

Another reason why nintendogs sells is that the DS is really a lot cheaper than the PSP, so people go ahead and buy it. Also, nintendo has been in the portable market a LOT longer than sony, so it has a lot of fanboys in this field. Many of these fans will buy a nintendo with their eyes closed even if the PSP is a lot better. So overall, more people have a DS and there are no real good games on it except these kiddy games. They, again, buy nintendogs because they have no other option.

Now, Monster Hunter Portable for the PSP is giving the doggy game a run for it's money. It's been released only in Japan on December 1st and it's sales are already over 500,000 games. When it releases around the world, I expect the sales figures to cross the nintendog's figures cause there's already a lot of hype being created about this game.

 

[Deathdart]

Also, there are games like Lumines on the PSP which are rated much higher than your beloved nintendogs. Here's a comparison taken from GameRankings.com which gives the average rating taken from over 150 reviews for each game:

Lumines
Publisher: Ubisoft
Number of Reviews: 179 PSP 90.1%

Nintendogs: Labrador and Friends
Publisher: Nintendo
Number of Reviews: 150 DS 85.0%
Nintendogs: Dachshund and Friends
Publisher: Nintendo
Number of Reviews: 129 DS 85.0%

Nintendogs: Chihuahua and Friends
Publisher: Nintendo
Number of Reviews: 186 DS 85.0%
All three version of Nintendogs have been rated lower than Lumines by over 150 review sites!

 

[deathdemon89]

^ Yep.Lumines,is a very good game,AFAIK and from what you've told me about it.Did I ever say otherwise? And about Nintendogs,lol your argument is so ridiculous I'm ROFLMAO right now.Only little girls and 3-y/o's? So I guess all those reviewers are little girls and three year olds too huh? TBH Iv had it with this.Iv made my point and its open for everyone too see.You're being biased and very childish right now so I'm gonna rest my case right here.I'm out.No use trying to explain anything to you.
And don't double post,its bad

 

[Deathdart]

And don't double post,its bad

Stay with these forums a little longer and you'll notice that you can't edit your post after a certain period of time.

^ Yep.Lumines,is a very good game,AFAIK and from what you've told me about it.Did I ever say otherwise? And about Nintendogs,lol your argument is so ridiculous I'm ROFLMAO right now.Only little girls and 3-y/o's? So I guess all those reviewers are little girls and three year olds too huh? TBH Iv had it with this.Iv made my point and its open for everyone too see.You're being biased and very childish right now so I'm gonna rest my case right here.I'm out.No use trying to explain anything to you.

The reviewers are only doing their job. They wouldn't look twice at Nintendogs if it wasn't in their job description. About the little girls thingy, that was an obvious joke. Read the rest of my post for valid points of debate.

And don't tell me I'm being childish after you went babbling on and on about the buttons the way you did and then tried to say that you were "only comparing it to other controllers" when you were obviously saying that the buttons are bad (yeah, I know I bring the buttons up too often ). Bring any ONE person from the whole wide world to this forum who honestly thinks there's anything wrong with the buttons and I'll give you a box of cookies. Also, I guess you call this grown up:

The PSP is Great! You Suck! DS sucks!

Yeah, I'm biased. I love the PSP. But I'm no more biased than you are. You've been babbling a whole bunch of stuff about the DS games being a lot better than PSP games, when clearly that's not the case. Even the best selling DS game isn't better than one of the launch titles of the PSP. Maybe the games on both handhelds are equally good, but not nintendogs. You could have given a better example, maybe sonic (which is an awesome game). Geez! And I guess this isn't biased:

The DS has released more games for the PSP,and those games have been better than those on the PSP so far.I don't even expect you to admit it anymore,but its a fact.Live with it.

BTW, this is you now:

The DS is Great! You Suck! PSP sucks! PSP games suck, but I'm contradicting my own statements to make myself look unbiased!

You know my points are valid and the PSP is starting to be proved the better handheld here, that's the only reason why you're trying to get out of this debate by calling me childish. Actually, I think the PSP has some great games and the DS has some great games (except nintendogs), but your attitude against the PSP is getting on my nerve. You've been whining about it all along and then putting in a statement here and there saying that it's a great device. Why do you think it's a great device if it has all these horribly faulty buttons and crappy games that you've been talking about?? You don't even own a DS and you think it's a lot better. How would you know? Playing on it 3-4 times doesn't make you an expert on the DS topic. I bet you didn't find anything wrong with the PSP till you had been playing on it for days at least. And what you do find wrong with it even now is completely unjustified.

I've talked to most of the PSP owners on these forums and they don't find anything wrong with their PSPs. They've refrained from posting in this thread because they don't wanna be pulled into a flame war (like the PC vs. Consoles thread). I don't blame them for that, but the fact is that you are being waaaay too unreasonable here by saying that the PSP is inferior to the DS.

 

[deathdemon89]

Stay with these forums a little longer and you'll notice that you can't edit your post after a certain period of time.

That was an obvious joke,in case you didn't notice.

The reviewers are only doing their job. They wouldn't look twice at Nintendogs if it wasn't in their job description. About the little girls thingy, that was an obvious joke. Read the rest of my post for valid points of debate.

Lol so what if they're "just doing their job"? What would lead them to give it such high ratings if they didn't like it?

And don't tell me I'm being childish after you went babbling on and on about the buttons the way you did and then tried to say that you were "only comparing it to other controllers" when you were obviously saying that the buttons are bad (yeah, I know I bring the buttons up too often ).

I don't mind you bringing up the buttons often at all.It simply shows how little you really have on your hands to actually continue this argument.If it weren't for the buttons thing,this debate would be settled long ago. What I mind is you taking my post about the buttons completely out of context.Multiple times.Obviously you have no better facts to back you up than those reviews you posted earlier.You probably realise that they simply gave a description of the buttons,and not a true comparison to any other handheld.If you don't,God help you.Besides,I felt the same way as all those reviews about the buttons when I first bought the PSP anyway.Thats always the first impression one has,after all,the PSP is the best looking handheld out there right now.Besides,I only talked about the buttons because you were saying that I wasn't comfortable with the grip.Which was a completely incorrect assumption on your part,I must add.I didn't like the PSP's gameplay as much as I did on the GBA and DS.

Bring any ONE person from the whole wide world to this forum who honestly thinks there's anything wrong with the buttons and I'll give you a box of cookies.

Hmph.There you go again.I hope you know why Iv highlighted those words.And I have enough cookies,thank you very much.

Even the best selling DS game isn't better than one of the launch titles of the PSP.

I thought you said thats a matter of personal opinion.Who's contradicting himself now?

Maybe the games on both handhelds are equally good, but not nintendogs. You could have given a better example, maybe sonic (which is an awesome game).

I have a whole bunch of games on my wishlist once I buy the DS.You started the Nintendogs thing,not me.Better example? Lol.That wasn't an example at all.And if you're talking about this:

I still think the DS holds more scope for innovation than the PSP,and Im gonna stick to that until I see games on the PSP that can boast of sales figures like that of Nintendogs.

I was talking about sales figures,not how good the game is in my opinion.And this:

The DS has brought groundbreaking new innovative games like Phoenix Wright,Sonic Rush,Nintedogs and Animal Crossing in spite of its graphics which are no match whatsoever to those of the PSP's.

is an example of innovative games,not my favourites.Get it into your head.

The DS is Great! You Suck! PSP sucks! PSP games suck, but I'm contradicting my own statements to make myself look unbiased!

Well,when did I ever say the PSP sucks? And I never said you suck either,maybe you're the Queen of Overexaggeration/Childish/Biased/Self-contradiction land,[choose any one,or heck,all four.They all apply anyway] but you're okay,I guess :thumb:

You know my points are valid and the PSP is starting to be proved the better handheld here, that's the only reason why you're trying to get out of this debate by calling me childish.

:right:The only reason I'm trying to get out of the debate is because Im sick of all this debating.Like the PCGvsC gaming thread wasn't enough,now I gotta deal with more biased opinions.Only this time,the other side doesn't even have valid points to get back at me. Just what I need when Iv got physics practicals tomorrow.

Actually, I think the PSP has some great games and the DS has some great games (except nintendogs), but your attitude against the PSP is getting on my nerve.
You've been whining about it all along and then putting in a statement here and there saying that it's a great device. Why do you think it's a great device if it has all these horribly faulty buttons and crappy games that you've been talking about??

Lol.All I can say is,read my post again.And if you really believed the PSP is more innovative than the DS,you wouldn't keep putting words in my mouth,like in this post up here.But now I'm used to that anyway.

You don't even own a DS and you think it's a lot better. How would you know? Playing on it 3-4 times doesn't make you an expert on the DS topic.

Iv played on it more than 3-4 times.I used it for an entire week.And anyway,that was my *opinion*.Too bad you don't get it.(And I know you don't,its in the way you're trying to push your opinion onto me)

I bet you didn't find anything wrong with the PSP till you had been playing on it for days at least.

Thats right.I was very impressed for the first few months.I still am,but I find the buttons lacking.

And what you do find wrong with it even now is completely unjustified.

And who are you to say?Just because you've had a PSP for a few months doesn't mean you're an expert on the PSP topic.I've had the handheld for way longer than you anyway.That,and Iv had many more handhelds than you.Unjustified? So you're trying to justify why I find the DS and its buttons more comfortable in my hands than the PSP's? :lol:

I've talked to most of the PSP owners on these forums and they don't find anything wrong with their PSPs. They've refrained from posting in this thread because they don't wanna be pulled into a flame war (like the PC vs. Consoles thread).

Yeah.And you think I want to be pulled into this? Just because you're so blinded by the PSP,your first handheld,and you would never hear so much as a whisper against it? Lol what a joke.

I don't blame them for that, but the fact is that you are being waaaay too unreasonable here by saying that the PSP is inferior to the DS.

Inferior? I said the DS holds more scope for creativity than the PSP (as witnessed by the games that have come out on it),and feels better in my hands than the PSP.In fact,the DS holding more scope for creativity is what started this topic.And after so many posts,all you've managed to do is put words into my mouth,use childish retorts and make a huge fuss over one small opinion.And you still haven't told me why you think the PSP has scope for more creative games.And you never will.Wanna know why? Because it doesn't.Don't take my word for it,I don't expect you to.Just look at the game lineup and that'll give you a clue.Hopefully.And no,Im not talking about "better" games,or "more graphics".I'm talking about innovative games.Creativity.New ideas and concepts.
I dont care whether you reply to this or not,and Im not gonna be able to read it anyway,cuz Im not gonna be allowed online,so don't keep messaging me to come online and read your reply.Lol,and since you've admitted you're biased,I don't expect you to go around posting such stuff:

@deathdemon89: Not ur opinion please!!! You're too biased!

ever again.You have no right to.

 

[Deathdart]

@deathdemon89: Not ur opinion please!!! You're too biased!

Well, if you hadn't given me your opinion, I would be perfectly happy with my own opinion and this thread would still be on topic. I did tell you not to give me your opinion.

Don't take my word for it,I don't expect you to.Just look at the game lineup and that'll give you a clue.Hopefully.And no,Im not talking about "better" games,or "more graphics".I'm talking about innovative games.Creativity.New ideas and concepts.

Are you really dumb enough to think that the creativity part of it is the PSP's fault???? Do you not think that it's the developers who need to get more creative? That was my point in the first place! The PSP just needs better developers. It does have a lot of potential. It's upto developers to realise it.

And who are you to say?Just because you've had a PSP for a few months doesn't mean you're an expert on the PSP topic.I've had the handheld for way longer than you anyway.That,and Iv had many more handhelds than you.Unjustified? So you're trying to justify why I find the DS and its buttons more comfortable in my hands than the PSP's?

I've had my PSP long enough to know how good it's buttons are. It's not like I bought it yesterday. Yeah, you've had yours longer, but that doesn't really make a difference does it? It doesn't take a lifetime to get to know a device! And don't try to tell me that you were only comparing the buttons with the DS. You've said that a million times, but it's very obvious that you just think that the buttons suck:

Thats right.I was very impressed for the first few months.I still am,but I find the buttons lacking.

That's not only a comparison

Iv played on it more than 3-4 times.I used it for an entire week.And anyway,that was my *opinion*.Too bad you don't get it.(And I know you don't,its in the way you're trying to push your opinion onto me)

That's still not long enough to form an accurate opinion about a handheld. Play on it as long as you've played on the PSP and see if the buttons still feel as good as before. I think you're PSP is just worn out, that's why you don't like the buttons. As I said before, try playing ANY game on mine. My buttons are still in excellent shape and I love them.

The only reason I'm trying to get out of the debate is because Im sick of all this debating.Like the PCGvsC gaming thread wasn't enough,now I gotta deal with more biased opinions.Only this time,the other side doesn't even have valid points to get back at me. Just what I need when Iv got physics practicals tomorrow.

Yeah, right, as if you study. And FYI, you started this. Read the first part of this post again. I didn't care about you opinion but you just couldn't keep it to yourself could you?
And you're dumb enough to say I don't have enough valid points? What about the comparison of Nintendogs and Lumines, apparantly the two most creative games on the handhelds? What about the button reviews (that you claim are no good because they don't compare consoles, but that's BS cause they're perfectly relevant because you have a problem with the PSP's controls themselves more than how much worse you think they are than other consoles)?
And what valid points have you been coming up with? You've been repeatedly saying

DS games are creative! PSP games suck!! It's not the developers fault that the games aren't creative enough, it's the system itself that's got a brain and thinks up creative stuff for the game!! And I just wanna have something else against the excellent PSP handheld system, that's why I'm crapping on the buttons too.

is an example of innovative games,not my favourites.Get it into your head.

So if innovative games aren't the best, why are you whining about the PSP's non-creative games?? Even your favourites on the DS might be either ports or sequels of games like mario and zelda. So what's your problem with the PSP's best games being ports or sequels? They are awesome.

Lol so what if they're "just doing their job"? What would lead them to give it such high ratings if they didn't like it?

They've taken into account that the DS is aimed at a much younger age group than the PSP.

 

[Bluffmaster]

I guess i would prefer PSP over DS !

 

[deathdemon89]

Age Of Empires DS:
http://ds.ign.com/articles/687/687988p1.html

Innovation has been the key to DS's success in the past year. Nintendo risked all by offering a cheaper, more innovative product, rather than embracing macho consumerism ala PSP. It is this innovation that sets DS products apart as well, making the "good" games less than appealing, and the "great" games legends.

^ Nice intro

It takes guts to try and dethrone the Big N's top contender, especially when it is the first time changing a classic series into a new breed of entertainment. Nevertheless, Majesco has created what can easily be considered one of the best strategy game for DS, a true accomplishment.

Not many games have been able to do what Age of Empires has done. Age of Kings takes everything great from the previous Age of Empires PC series, and creates a new world based on those fundamentals. The DS version retains every major aspect of the PC game, while delivering the gameplay in a whole new way.

Metroid Gets voice Chat:
http://ds.ign.com/articles/687/687241p1.html

Nintendo today revealed that Metroid Prime Hunters, the Wi-Fi enabled Nintendo DS first-person shooter hitting the system on March 20th, will be the first game in the Nintendo DS library to support voice chatting over the internet.

Players will be able to chat with players via the built-in microphone on the Nintendo DS before and after a match-up. Players can converse with anyone on their friend's list established through Friend Codes by clicking on the Chat icon in the game's lobby system.

Thanks for the heads-up,Dips! Awesome news,keep it comin'!
Thats two more DS games on my wishlist hyeah:

Anyway,I was snooping around,and I happened to come across a few snippets of information that some users of these forums may be interested in...

Street Fighter Alpha 3 MAX PSP reviews:

IGN:
http://psp.ign.com/articles/687/687893p2.html

You can choose between the analog stick and D-Pad to control your character, though some will obviously scoff at the former option. The top row of face buttons controls punches, while the lower row handles kicks. Heavy punch is mapped to the left shoulder button and heavy kick is mapped to the right. Expect the usual lot of manuevers, too, such as throws, escapes, defensive falls, blocks and counters.

Of course, the big question on most everyone's mind is, how does it control with PSP's D-PAD? And the answer is: it controls ok. You will most assuredly miss more fireballs and uppercuts than you're used to, and in that regard it's very frustrating.

It definitely takes a while to get used to, though, especially when trying to jump backwards or forwards and trying to block, but you do eventually become accustomed to it. Your fingers may hate you for a while, but in this case, the pain is mostly worth it.

Aficionados will have a few issues with the way it controls, mainly due to the design of the PSP's D- PAD, but overall it works fine.

User Reviews:

Review:
http://rr.psp.ign.com/rr/748382/038/038744.html

I'm not saying it's perfect (it does have a pretty big flaw) but it does deliver.

Eh? What flaw?

Beating the game with such a weak grasp over the controls is a disadvantage that I would've expected not to be so apparent with Capcom.

Oh.That flaw.

Review:
http://rr.psp.ign.com/rr/748382/038/038715.html

The Bad: ...speaking of moves: the controls are extremly frustrating on the PSP. I first noticed it with Dark Stalkers but it is in your face this time on SFA. I am a very experianced SF player and I have never had so much trouble pulling off moves before. It was so bad that I couldn't even perform a Shouryuken (dragon punch) on the right side. You can go into the controller option menu to assign certain special moves to one button but that seems so cheap to me but I had no choice. This is one flaw that really hurts the gameplay of an otherwise great fighting game!

Ugly: Jjjjjust ccccan't ppppull off Dragon pppunch! Urrrrrgh!!!

Hmmm...

Final: SF fans buy this game but beware you may not be able to pull off your favorite moves.

Review:
http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/streetfighteralpha3/player_review.html?id=256425

Spot on graphic, but controls are to be desired.

Nothing is more frustrating then knowing in your head a move was supposed to come out but it didn't and you died for it.

When controls are the hallmark of your franchise, its disappointing when you technically miss the mark.

Review:
http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/streetfighteralpha3/player_review.html?id=256222

While it is a tiny bit harder to pull off special moves, it really isn’t that big of a deal, as you get used to it by the second or third fight you play. The analog control also helps quite a bit with this, as jumping around and inputting commands works just as well as the normal D-pad on the PSP.

Gamespy:
http://ps2.gamespy.com/playstation-portable/street-fighter-alpha/686121p1.html

Sadly, this handheld version of Street Fighter Alpha 3 is greatly hindered by the Sony PSP hardware; specifically its design. The system clearly wasn't built with the heavy duty rigors of a fighting game in mind, and we, the players, must suffer for it.

Sad.Very sad.

Sony may have dropped the ball on a potential killer application when its design team didn't take fighting games into account, and its only recourse may be a complete redesign if it wants games like Street Fighter Alpha 3 Max to succeed on the platform.

The analog stick is in far too awkward a position to be of good use to those with adult-sized hands, and the direction pad suffers in other ways; it's too unresponsive for the smooth circular motions needed to execute many of the special techniques, and too stiff to always register even basic moves like crouching blocks, let alone the more complex maneuvers like Charlie's Somersault Justice Super Combo, or Zangief's thumb-wrecking Final Atomic Buster. It goes without saying that when it comes to fighting games, control is literally everything. If you can't pull off basic moves that you've been doing in your sleep for over a decade, it's just far too frustrating to forgive something like this.

If for some reason your PSP responds beautifully to your commands, then not only are you blessed with a freakish handheld that should be treasured, (or magical hands perfectly made for using the system), but you've got a special treat in store for you here with what may be the best game in your collection.

far better than a simple port of an arcade game, yet hindered quite significantly by the handheld's design flaws. You can map buttons to special attacks and super combos to get over this hump, but at that point who's really playing, you or the game?

Gamepro:
http://www.gamepro.com/sony/psp/games/reviews/51833.shtml

What brings Street Fighter Alpha 3 Max down isn't the game itself, but rather the hardware it's released on. Yes, the game is essentially a port of a decade old fighter and it can be hard as hell, but all the horsepower the PSP brings to the table can't keep this game from being at times mind-numbing frustrating when it comes to control.

Put simply, the D-pad the PSP has just isn't cut out to be used for a fighting game, where fast fingers and accurate directional control is paramount. Here's to hoping some form of accessory is released that can snap onto the PSP to facilitate those who wants a truer fighting game experience.

GameDaily:

I just wish something was done to better improve the gameplay, as most moves take a bit of struggling to pull off. And no, an unlicensed, sticky D-pad attachment is not entirely the answer. Still, it's a must-have for fighting fans.

The controls work better than they did in Darkstalkers, but they're still strugglesome.

Gamebrink: (Japanese version review)

Though PSP's d-pad and analogue nub aren't really suited for 2d fighters, SFZ3's 'easy' and 'long' input option make sure that pulling off moves isn't an issue. These options give more time and leeway towards accomplishing special moves, making them a cinch to get right.

All above sites part of GameRankings.com.Over 150 review sites believe that the PSP's hardware is NOT as good as some people have been lead to believe.

Anyway,thats besides the point.@ Bluffaster: Dude Iv stated it before,but I don't think anyone noticed,so I'll say it again.The PSP and DS are not targeted towards the same audience.If you want the best and most innovative portable gaming experience,the DS is the way to go.If you want an all-round portable entertainment system capable of much more than just gaming,the PSP is well suited for your tastes.:thumb: Me? I love both for completely different reasons hyeah:

 

[Deathdart]

@deathdemon89: This is inconclusive. I can post a whole bunch of other reviews that say that the PSP's controls are perfect, but then you'll just say "Oh, but what about my 150 reviews??"
I'll post more reviews, but it'll take time. I'm not on broadband like you.

 

[Deathdart]

Here's what I found out:
Firstly, if you hate the PSP's D-pad (depends on your own opinion), you can get a D-pad attachment for the street fighter game. Secondly, lots of people seem to think the D-pad is good enough for street fighter. Either way, the gameplay on the PSP is excellent.

PSX Extreme PSP Section:

Those welcoming controls, coupled with the flashy graphics, allow gamers to quickly relax and focus on the cathartic thrills that result from trading punches, rolling behind opponents, and dishing out devastating super attacks.

Lastly, anyone that rented, bought, or otherwise tolerated Capcom's first fighting game on the PSP, Darkstalkers Chronicle, should take note: Capcom reduced the load times and fixed the controls in Street Fighter Alpha 3 MAX. Load times clock in at a very reasonable six seconds between each match, but they're practically "invisible" since they occur during the animated match-up screens that appear between each fight. Best of all, the controls aren't stiff and unresponsive, as was the case with Darkstalkers. Special moves that require quarter-circle, half-circle, and "charge" inputs are relatively easy to pull off in SFA3.

PSP411:

As far as control goes, the game offers the original six-button layout that uses the PSP's face and shoulder buttons, as well as the ability to remap things to your liking. The customization also features an easy mode to make inputting commands easier, as well as the option to assign rapid-fire functionality to the buttons.

Our initial go with this latest version of the game has gone well, thanks to its solid control and reasonable loads.

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Comparisons between DS and PSP:
IGN: http://gear.ign.com/articles/599/599454p2.html

Controls
Both systems feature the same main controller layout with a D-Pad, four main action buttons on the face of the unit and two triggers. The main differential is the PSP's analog stick vs. the DS' touch screen.
This is another hard one to call as this one obviously comes down to titles on an individual basis. If we were talking about cross-platform type games, like sports games or the like, then the PSP's analog stick is the clear winner; it just works much better as a generalized analog input device. But the DS' strength is in its ability to allow for unique input schemes, like in such games as Wario Ware Touched!
Concerning the other controls, each system has its strengths. The DS has the better set of triggers. The PSP's triggers are sort of clunky and not all that comfortable, while the DS' triggers are springier and generally more comfortable to use. The PSP features the better face buttons as they're bigger and feel more like a regular controller. The DS' face buttons are rather small. Deciding the better D-Pad is sort of a toss-up as it probably comes down to a matter of taste. Both are good, however.
When it comes down to it, the PSP features a much more standardized input system with its analog stick, though the DS allows for much greater creative design with its touch screen. Really, it's a matter of the select game at hand that decides which system has the better controls, and though the PSP will win for most mass-market games, the Nintendo DS has plenty of room for innovative control methods. But when it comes down to it, the PSP is much better suited for 99% of the games on the market.

Winner: PSP

I still personally feel that there's nothing wrong with the PSP controls. But as stated by IGN, both systems have their pros and cons in regards to controls, but the PSP's controls are better than DS.

If you add up the tallies, it comes out to Nintendo DS: 3, PSP: 3, Tie: 2, or an overall tie. But that doesn't really tell the whole story. If you look at the category winners, the PSP takes the system power, control and media categories while the Nintendo DS takes battery life, portability and load times.

So in theory, the Nintendo DS is a better portable system but the PSP is the better all-around system. This seems like a fair enough assessment and the final word we'll stick with.

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I believe that Sony PSP has basically won the battle versus Nintendo DS. The PSP is a much deeper platform and the breadth of its functionality is quite strong, especially with its WiFi and Internet-browsing capabilities.
-Ajoy Reddi, Fiduciary Trust International

From the sales numbers, it looks like the DS has a slight edge. However, this is a little misleading, considering that the PSP has a growing, loyal audience and is finally beginning to give them great games. With the release of GTA: Liberty City Stories, more innovations like the upcoming Stealth movie/hame hybrid, and a few new games based around existing successful IP like Syphon Filter and possibly Devil May Cry, the PSP will eventually take the lead. The DS has a superior software line-up, but it's still only a game machine. The PSP is a portable, stylish media center - which still could benefit from a minor price drop.
-Sheloman Byrd, Upper Deck

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G4TV:

Controls

I have to admit it. When I first heard about the Nintendo DS my mind was in a whir contemplating the possibilities. But what I've found out is that controlling ordinary games with a stylus sucks. Controlling 3D games with a directional pad also sucks. In other words, the controls on the Nintendo DS basically suck. The PSP gives you a pseudo analog stick that works quite well and a directional pad. To me, it seems like Nintendo went out of its way for basically nothing. If I had to choose, I'd honestly trade in the touch screen for an analog stick.

Winner: Sony PSP

PSP also wins in terms of Graphics, Functionality and Value. Overall verdict: PSP is the better console.

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I'll be posting more reviews, need to get back to my studies now. This stupid and completely useless debate is hogging too much of my time.

 

[Blade_Runner]

Discussion split from the original thread
http://www.techenclave.com/forums/nintendo-ds-lite-finally-revealed-66103.html
Added a poll as well.
Continue the debate here.

 

[Ck Nish]

As someone who owns a DS, I have to say i'm biased towards the DS myself. I love Nintendo games and the kind of games that generally come with it's handhelds- past and present. I'll admit that the D-pad and buttons are a bit small and sunken in (even though they handle really well), but this is made up for very easily by the touch screen. Easily one of the best I've ever used. Play a game like Kirby's canvas curse and you'll come to realize how fantastic the DS' touch screen is.

 

[deathdemon89]

This stupid and completely useless debate is hogging too much of my time.

Rofl sry for the revival but I just read this post and I gotta say,it made my day. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Params7]

Nintendo Die Sony.