avi
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Since we don't hold same views as yours, we are anti nationals? Nice.
Nirbhaya documentary: Why Javed Akhtar, Anu Aga's views differ completely
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Onemufc
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Onemufc
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Rather than addressing the root cause of issues, it is silly to find robotic replies circumventing and distorting points under discussion.
Many comments here are immature circle jerks reactions with out any practical and real world touch, not knowing what exactly they are addressing in totality, without any deep thought. Some really showed classic tactics of feminazis and SJWs, with all trademark symptoms of Marxist leftist agendas.
I should have stopped posting from the beginning itself, considering that it is useless to talk with such people (will do that now).
However, the good was, it fully exposed their primary goals, which are actually not about rape or progress of the country or humanity as a whole. Their objectives are using miseries as tools to advance petty ideologies which are being overthrown from originating cultures, now desperately prying to latch somewhere and bleed the host like tentacles of a parasite. Having ample uneducated masses with slavish colonial inertia in this country, they will surely find enough fertile grounds to exploit, for a short time as usual.
(How) “India´s daughter” will make life difficult for Indians and their daughters
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatime...&utm_campaign=TOInewHP&utm_medium=Widget_Stry
More news on deliverance of sick justice from role model SJW countries...
Many comments here are immature circle jerks reactions with out any practical and real world touch, not knowing what exactly they are addressing in totality, without any deep thought. Some really showed classic tactics of feminazis and SJWs, with all trademark symptoms of Marxist leftist agendas.
I should have stopped posting from the beginning itself, considering that it is useless to talk with such people (will do that now).
However, the good was, it fully exposed their primary goals, which are actually not about rape or progress of the country or humanity as a whole. Their objectives are using miseries as tools to advance petty ideologies which are being overthrown from originating cultures, now desperately prying to latch somewhere and bleed the host like tentacles of a parasite. Having ample uneducated masses with slavish colonial inertia in this country, they will surely find enough fertile grounds to exploit, for a short time as usual.
(How) “India´s daughter” will make life difficult for Indians and their daughters
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatime...&utm_campaign=TOInewHP&utm_medium=Widget_Stry
More news on deliverance of sick justice from role model SJW countries...
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anuragingle
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Please see my replies below. They are going to be quick, since I am on the launch sequence for: Interstellar.
1. Rape is a problem in India.
2. The brevity of rape in India has reached monstrosity levels with the crimes being committed along with it.
3. Women have no rights in India.
4. India is a nation of misogynists.
5. (4) is a resultant due to our mindset since childhood; and the society / culture we thrive is a thorough breeding ground for the same.
6. Post crime, rape is treated as a doing of the victim, and there is a reversal of scenario when it comes to conviction.
7. The judiciary process around this aspect is non-sterile and biased.
8. Men will be men.
I think most of us have discussed the issues here and done a substantial RCA. Not much has been distorted and people have pointed out the facts in order:
1. Rape is a problem in India.
2. The brevity of rape in India has reached monstrosity levels with the crimes being committed along with it.
3. Women have no rights in India.
4. India is a nation of misogynists.
5. (4) is a resultant due to our mindset since childhood; and the society / culture we thrive is a thorough breeding ground for the same.
6. Post crime, rape is treated as a doing of the victim, and there is a reversal of scenario when it comes to conviction.
7. The judiciary process around this aspect is non-sterile and biased.
8. Men will be men.
That is a crude and rudimentary metaphor to describe a discussion, which literally is on the verge of men jerking where they should not. It is adding insult to injury -to- womanhood and as we discuss it, thereon. Everyone here, is in the real-world, so I do not see any fantastical or sci-fi discussion going on..!
We can safely call it Marxist if we want to revolt against the monarchy which -we- men have inculcated here in India. Feminazi and SJW concepts, came into being, cause there is far too much venom in our society against females. It is this elite ownership which is a direct factor (s) of the dire situation in India for females. A top down society structure is bound to collapse one day.
This has been stated by many here, numerous times. But as a board, it is free-speech, and no one will stop anyone...!
How is progress being stunted here, by discussing this topic..? No, one has a goal or agenda here, @Prole73. By showing a picture of India (as the documentary did), our economic growth, technical acumen, and industrial progression will not be harnessed to the negative vector. All it does is: shows the fabric of our society, which though, is just asimportant.
The short-comings of man, have to be studied to progress further, @Prole73. These have to be mitigated to have a sound and secure societal structure. What is the host here..? Please tell me..? The society, us men, or the State. The so called source points of this thought essay, are increasing their throughput in all aspects, and the citizens are happy. What more can we want. I do not call this bleeding or leech.
Not sure how such a statement can be made, just based on the TE posting audience. It makes no sense. India as a nation lacks vision and has augmented (by culture, religion, ethnic centricity, hyper patriarchy) foresight. That is why we are growing socially at a snail's pace, but moving ahead with 7% Y0Y growth. It is bright and shinny from the exterior, but the interior is just as void and brackish.
blr_p
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Increasing women's autonomy. give us your ideas. Open to every one.
What has to be done ?
increasing women's representation to 50% in panchayats.
Step 1 out of a 100 ?
Panchayats' are just kangaroo courts.
Some steps we can take:
1. Free or heavily subsidized education for girls. At least till 12th grade. (Creating a brighter future)
2. Ramping up the judiciary for fast tracking of civil cases. Not just on papers but in reality. (Provision for justice exclusive to females)
3. Setting up data collection units to monitor / report: Female births, post birth immunization status, health check ups, and periodic medical visits. (Control what can be measured)
4. Creation of NGOs for women support and mentoring for career, reporting of battery, assault, dowry, manhandling, rape. These exist but should be more empowerment. (Solace and human rights awareness)
5. Awareness campaigns in the semi rural / rural areas about the importance of females. (De-sensitizing patriarchy)
6. Inviting external agencies to conduct studies and publish findings independently. (External PoV). This is extremely important. Cause internal analytics will always be fudgy and biased toward the State.
7. Running workshops for doctors to warn them about the stigma of female child abortion. (Higher probability of female child birth).
8. Acclimatizing the police work force towards female grievance and crime, specially when they approach a station for reporting. Not to be boorish and brash. (Safety net).
9. Not sure how we can do this. But trying to encourage our society as a whole, to let girls study further (higher studies), and not marry them off early. This is literally impossible, but it can happen over 3-4 generations, of following the above.
10. Just: we all should be good people, and not selfish.
Most of the above mechanicals are all ready provisioned for in India. They have to be ramped higher, and the ante stepped up. It is an extremely arduous and energy consuming process, to change the mind set of a society, but it can be manufactured. Needle point change by needle point change. Fractional movements over decades, will show an outcome. Creating quotas and specialized buckets will not really work, because the caste system never diminished due to these modes being deployed. Let us see and hope/pray for a brighter future.
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blr_p
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That would be child care workers on the lookout for abuse. i find the term 'systematic way of kidnapping' rather strong.
They don't take your kids away on the basis of bias. domestic abuse is a problem beause there is a cultural gap here. if people were used to being physically disciplined when they were kids they are going to assume its ok to do it to their kids. Not in countries like Sweden which are liberal with a capital 'L'. if the kid shows up in school with bruises you can bet the teacher is going to suspect something is up. This does not apply just with asians but to all.
That is good.
Possible but does not relate to Indians unless the wife is accusing the husband of it.
this is one of this tricky statements, there are people that think like this but its a stretch to say there are a billion of them.
heh, i've come across kids like this in the US that have had issues with their parents. those kids need to relaise that once they get taken away their life is fcuked. So you warn your kids what will happen if ever they end up in foster care.
and if the defense can show bias the whole case will get thrown out. BS.
The correct word to use is harassment or discrimination. Not racism.
One does not get to know India with just one documentary or any other country for that matter.
I think its better to learn learn how to deal with it. harassment is easy. discrimination if you can prove it given the heavy political correctness atmosphere that prevails can end up ruining lives of those proven to be discriminating.
I was reading articles how muslim families in some parts of the the UK were dictating what can and cannot be taught and actually bullying school boards into accepting it. What would the authors response be to that i wonder.
Does the father and her tutor count or numerous people with men who protested in Delhi.
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I am still waiting to see a reply from you without trying to attack or discredit members here. you dont know anyone here personally to call them what ever you typed in the above statement. I find it offensive and rude.
anuragingle
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He knows he doesnt has any intelligent logical reasons to back up his arguments so now he resorts to name calling.
Going by the tone and language of his posts i strongly suspect someone has done a good job of brainwashing this poor fellow
Going by the tone and language of his posts i strongly suspect someone has done a good job of brainwashing this poor fellow
^^^^ First of all, I didn't name any user in particular, at least in last few posts.
Secondly, I added link which I found more relevant in situations like this:
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatime...&utm_campaign=TOInewHP&utm_medium=Widget_Stry
I actually wants to be out of this thread so updated existing post than adding new one.
Thirdly, see how comprehensive or descriptive your posts are and have an assessment of yourselves first. Don't shoot the messenger (for showing the other side of the same coin) also applies to matriarchy crowds, I hope.
Secondly, I added link which I found more relevant in situations like this:
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatime...&utm_campaign=TOInewHP&utm_medium=Widget_Stry
I actually wants to be out of this thread so updated existing post than adding new one.
Thirdly, see how comprehensive or descriptive your posts are and have an assessment of yourselves first. Don't shoot the messenger (for showing the other side of the same coin) also applies to matriarchy crowds, I hope.
anuragingle
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Above quote was the last paragraph. I really did not understand how it made life of Indian women worse. most of the time it talks about how parents lose their rights to children in Denmark and Sweden.
And yeah, if you are not really ready to listen to others before making comments then its your choice.
That link to be honest, has no relevance to this topic. It is just a tit-for-tat scenario. We Indians are totally flabbergasted that how a foreigner could walk into our high - security prison, take an interview from one of the most controversial criminal of this decade, and publish her findings. Exposing the reality of India, in tandem.
Taking the crux of that article, which is the last paragraph:
Yes, it is high time that such a nail - biting documentary was made by an Indian agency. What is stopping us from doing this..? Why this crib and banter to downgrade what has been depicted in the N documentary. Yes, because we are Indians, we are denied a VISA. If the West did not put up regulations for immigration (specially the US) maybe a billion of us would populate their land masses, and create mini Indias' there. Who wants a crummy hole, pocket in their land. I certainly do not, but have to live with it, cause this is what India and Indians are. And simply because we are Indians, there is a high popularity amongst us for being dishonest and using fraudulent practices to make it abroad. Showing bloated bank balances, and erroneous relations to get a PR and/or VISA for abroad. That is why they are so stringent and frugal while handing out VISAs to Indians. Europeans do not have to face these experiences, because they are honest in their approach. Indians rip off each other day-in-day-out, how you think they would treat foreign agencies..? The only time in my life (in India), where I have seen Indians disciplined, standing in line, not creating a ruckus, not spitting gutka/pan, not listening to loud music, not pushing/shoving/jostling for space, and not being a generic nuisance, and basically following the rules of the environment: was at the American Embassy, when I went to apply for my VISA. We cannot even drive straight, for Christ's sake, what more can be expected....! LOL.
Our "famous" actors and security are stopped at airport security, because that is what airport security is meant for..! We bypass this protocol here for foreigners, because India lives and thrives on the VIP culture, heralded and marshaled by our capital city, New Delhi. As it is we have a fetish for "white-skin" and see celebrities (and foreigners with power) as Gods, same with political characters. So bowing down, and exempting an individual from security protocol comes as second nature to us. Please tell this to Mr. Mrutyuanjai Mishra, and why he questions the disparity, sitting in a foreign land. The exemplification of a bad practice as a standardization (which Mr. Mrutyuanjai Mishra duly noted) is a ramification of our own culture and down-trodden pathetic innate nature. Which is burnt into the psyche of each and every Indian: it is our DNA. Just because we exhibit a lapse and weakness in our operational methods, please do not expect other nations to follow, likewise. The World, does not work as such.
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