See my replies below, and note: I am not attacking you in person:
People wit only one agenda are those who want to argue about rape happening only in India and nowhere else.
Why should we Indians argue about rape in foreign lands..? We are discussing India here. I find it normal to see the outside for good practices (freedom of speech, liberty of women), but when we look at our interior nation, we should stop comparing. It is baseless, and makes no sense, whatsoever.
Many here are forgetting the fact that it was Indian men who were effervescently protesting in N.Delhi braving police, lathis, climate and what not.
Every single person in this country hate this abhorring crime.
Were not women in the crowds..? This holds not substance. Yes, everyone hates rape, except the ones exercising it. And those revolts on the streets, were not just about rape. There was way more to it. Rape is the fruit of the seed of India's natural sublimation of women - hood.
Each violent case is like questioning security and self respect of every single Indian.
Is that bad or good..?
My contention was about over-projection and hyperventilating that of the case beyond proportion. Using our mistakes as a tool, we should not allow others to mislead or exploit us using foolish failed ideologies with out any substance.
Okay, what should have happened. We just nod our heads, shrug our shoulders, and say OK. Game over, let us discuss AAP and Modi's cranky speeches..? It is not "foolish failed" ideology to allow women to step out of homes and be independent.
When called up on hypocrisy, that more rape happens in developed and educated countries, game changes.
You know what..? America (or even Sweden), could have 100x more rapes than us. I really do not care. I am just concerned about my National State, India. It hardly matters about the dust in my neighbors house. My home should be clean and riddled free of masculinity and down-trodding of women. That is about it. The game is not changing, we are just shifting venues. Bad.
A single rape happen in this country.
There have been more than that. The N case and the little 6-year girl's case, were superficially highlighted due to metal armaments being introduced in the process. That is harrowing enough, for the world to sit up and notice. It was not only rape what happened. The case was so severe, that we shuttled the victim to SGP. It is literal genocide, what is happening here. Just that we Indians, are shirking it under the rug.
That is a great idea, but suddenly, how value system of Indians comes out, that we should lead the world, we should be able to be self righteous than everyone? How you can expect that from India, that so called valueless third world sh*thole full of rapist misogynist men (according to those same claimants) ?
No, it is not that. No one is asking India, to be the benchmark leader in women rights. Just that we are literally in the minus vector. At least we can bring it up to 0.00. And then attempt through the decades and generations to accumulate more positive points. See the comments the IMF leader made, sitting right in Delhi, about the situation of women.
You have to give respect to get respected, it is a two way street.
Sorry to say, when introspection is conducted the above is a moot logic. India holds decent diplomatic relations and amicable warmth with most nations, barring Pakistan. What more respect should we garner on foreign locales..? You are suggesting they should censor documented data against India, in their media..? Why..? If our journalists / news agencies are not up to the mark and rather hold idiotic debates with Shobha De and Arnab Goswami, then it is our loss at both ends. They gain nothing from this, the foreign powers.
Of course, everyone all over the world want rapes to stop, not just Indians. If those developed, educated countries with all amenities, technologies and most efficient justice delivery mechanisms ever falter at this, how can Indians find an immediate cure to this contagion ?
At times it is said, that we should not exemplify the West, now why are we taking their deltas and mapping them as our short-comings..? The reason behind the contagion is what should be rooted out primarily, the rest will come in line automatically. All those protests encapsulated various other factors, apart from rape. So did the documentary, we are discussing here...!
What can Indian Govt. do about violent behavior of random maniacs ?
Good question...! Expedite the judiciary process for all crime. People know, they can get away with it. That is it. Simple logic.
How can Indian Govt. prevent exploitation by Individuals and false claims, thereby putting innocent Indian men in jail with much clamored quick justice deliverance system ? Because, you know, Indians are a dishonest lot ?
Same as above. I am sure the ratio of rapes (reported and non-reported) to false male acquittals is much in large to the former. If we want to put in a safety valve, the judiciary and cops should do a better job. And they should cease cross questioning the victim in a demeaning manner, like what happened in West Bengal, to that foreigner. That is bad. Clothes, attire, attitude, walking around alone should not be factored in. The judiciary handles rape akin to a doctor diagnosing a virus. Find the factors which could have caused it. Cross question the victim and try to find a chink in the armor. Yes, and before you say it: Rape is almost impossible to prove in court. But asking about someones clothes and marital status, and "why you were outside alone" does not corroborate in favor of the accused, but in India it does. It demeans the women to be of loose character and a slut.
Isn't Indian Govt. creating enough laws and awareness in prevention this heinous violence ? Vote bank appeasement politics have already taken over this topic.
Laws yes, implementation none. Beckoning to media / public pressure, yes. Kangaroo courtroom, yes. The awareness maybe there, but the brevity is zero. Males know, they can do what they want. Battery/assault/verbal abuse is a commonality.
Is there a known, fool proof, quick solution India can use to stop is menace ?
Ya, maybe public flogging. LOL. Of course no crime can be 100% eradicated or prevented. Can
we not understand, it is the precursor to rape which is annoying and horrendous. And the logic entertained thereon which is not settling in the corrective manner, to be honest. The whole bundle is packaged around male supremacy and an attitude which throws psychological guilt upon the victim. It is not right. It extrapolates to: males can do anything in India, and get away with it. I have not seen cat-calls, eve teasing, and "crowd-feel up" culture in other nations. It is so "normal" here in India. Why were special compartments made in the Metro.
If Indian men are misogynists to their bones and those men in developed countries are 'nice guys' why more rapes happen in developed countries even after they have very high percent of men in jails ?
Those numbers should be taken with a grain of salt to be honest. It is not about Nation A : Nation B (rape) comparisons which should be inspected. Anyways, a lot of the web articles do list India at least in the top 15-20 nations for rape. They also mention, as rape being one of the most common crimes. That is even worse...! I fail to see all this as propaganda against India.
Why feminists failed to discuss Rotherham and Sheffield scandals ? Both those scandals and goof-ups by UK Govt. are several manifold higher than what India faces. How many Indians have heard of Mark Ciavarella Jnr., who ran his kids-for-cash scam for frigging 28 years? How many Indian channels dedicated air time or bandwidth for those grievous crimes ?
I knew about those scandals. Whose fault is it, if our agencies did not go down there to do a sting operation. It is India's fault. You said it just right...!
We didn't go around making documentaries over such subjects (heard an Indian just created a documentary about rapes in UK, which does not truly cover the opinions of people in UK and came out as immature revenge job), because people and governments in those countries have their own process to address it. We do not call, address or brand those countries as rape prone or people there as rapists. We or Individuals here will not block citizens from studying, working here because few rapes happened there among millions /billions. Neither do people there talk about their country with disdain, ridicule their values, culture, their way of life.
Why did we not call other nations, as Rape countries....? Errrm..because...it is quite normal here for rape to occur...! So we did not cherry pick those nations. Oh, please. The west is the biggest critic of itself. Free speech is immense there, and the resultant PC culture. I see foreigners criticize their government and society, left-right-and-center. Nationalist pride holds no value in today's world, to be honest. Governments should be not trusted de facto, and humanitarian programs should be examined closely.
Conditions being this, why no one is questioning what is the real, root cause of rape (irrespective of countries involved) ?
That documentary sure did. But India banned it. Why...?
Why it is increasing very lately, especially in India ? If this single topic is studied well, so many skeletons will tumble from unexpected 'closets'.
Cause it was hushed up. The N case, was a tipping point, a catharsis, and people came out on the streets. The media / internet created a viral blitzkrieg. Should it not have...?
Considering rape is one of the ultimate form of violence, does advertising that crime 24/7 irrespective of a listeners' mental caliber, help resolving the issue ?
Yes, it will. Nothing more I can say. Should we hush it up..?
Many of the arguments here against India are childish at the best. People seems to be so young and naive about history. Indians were enslaved not because they were small balkan states. India/ns were enslaved because our country was having lot of resources and were are not as warring a culture than that of our invaders, thus had less experience in waging wars against such countries and cultures. Many of religions originated from our motherland and all of them, in the ultimate, taught peace, not war. May be that was our mistake.
Yes, we sat and counted our coins as our backyards were taken by outsiders.
Indians rarely put up a united front against invaders. The Dharmic religions of India are metaphysical in nature and quite peaceful, I agree. It was due to infighting and non-cohesion India was always breached easily. Indians rarely cared about each other, and that philosophy is still rampant. India is a selfish nation, internally.
I found how shallow minded (oh, mental caliber?) are the type of people I am discussing with.
What should I say.
