Some questions and inputs from my side:
^^ I was in touch with a person in UK who told me clearly that, to be poor in UK is ten times worse than to be poor in India.
That quite a subjective statement. What does it exactly mean. What is difficult when one is poor in the UK vs. India...? Eating, getting shelter, medical facilities. Access to social security. Or since we are discussing it, poverty in UK inculcates habits of dire living for women...? So tomorrow, if someone is broke in the UK, they would have a better life being penniless here in India..? I find that far-fetched. It is not an honest comparison.
There women get pregnant in early teens and no one talks about it.
Is this related to the above line..? Or is it a isolated statement..? Cause it does not make sense to me, in the diaphragm of this paragraph. Anyways, just to let you know: here people do not even talk about the child if it is girl, post-birth. Is that not worse...? Teen age pregnancy
is an issue in the West. You are saying, this can be curtailed, how..? By harnessing the freedom yoke of women -to- the hands of males..? Or is it a forerunner of the so called liberty and freedom which women have achieved (or granted by men), in the West..? Is not pregnancy a dual factor process...? Or does the jurisprudence only fall on the mantle of the child-carrier..? Who or what should be blamed here. Society at large or just the anatomical quantum of women's freedom..?
So much for freedom without responsibility and irresponsible societies who pander to lazy people's whims.
What is freedom with responsibility,
@Prole73..? How can the fabric of society be ductile and malleable, if the basic functions of human habitat and operational mechanisms are not liberated. We will cease to live in peace, and always be angry and volatile to each other. The fundamental core is: people (read females, specially in India), should be allowed to venture into the world and do what they desire. There is no need for an over-arching holistic paradigm (the male mind set) for controller-ship and and micro management. See what happened: to post WW1 Germany--->Eastern European Block--->USSR. Most of these large scale industrial behemoths collapsed and had to restart their intellectual and sovereign acumen. They tried extreme (almost narcissist) pogroms (literally) which eventually collapsed and left behind a large cloud of failure and frustration. EU was crafted to negate this phenomena (and in turn we saw the advent of female liberation), though now it is being misused, by the same powers. Full circle...!
Getting reminded of hippie era.
The Hippie Movement (HM) was just not about nod-winking to smoking pot, listening to Jim Morrison (and his poetic antics on stage) and dressing Bohemian...! The HM
, drew influences from our Eastern (read Dharmic) religiosity, Assisi, Gandhinian Thought, Jesus Christ, Buddha, non-violence to name/mention/highlight a few. It was the fragments of the Vietnam War which accelerated this process, and we saw the catharsis (you could say) in music (some examples: The Grateful Dead, Joan Baez) and mass protests against the regime. What were people requesting here..? The Flower-Child was born from the ruckus and muck which the West had laid as its foundation. It was a social revolution, en masse. I clearly remember, seeing a two - decade LP cover sleeve from a Joan Baez album: and how she mentions the atrocities of the Vietnam War, and how literally the American public (notwithstanding their armed forces) have suffered enough due to foreign and political policy. Along with high tax regimes. A lot of these hippies were goofing off, YES, but many had a motive and positive foresight. Ironically one of her most famous songs "Diamonds and Rust" (1974) was covered by the kings of Hard Rock (who literally invented it), Judas Priest, and became their staple. Hippie ----> Hard Rock (almost called Satanic), see the cultural and ideological shift, even if miniscule....
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I don't want to comment to some TEians here as some are ridiculously out of reality and real word, unaware of situations in western socieities.
Well, that is quite a comment, encompassing our minute population here. TE is like a minor sliver of not even 1% of India. Most of us (hope so) here, are highly educated, working and quite in tune with our internal faculties. It is not about aping the West and it subsequent society, but an attempt to criticize ourselves in retrospection and undulate a paper-wave (writing) against the atrocious situation of females, here. Period.
We Indians with our values systems (am talking about real Indians humans, not some 1 in a 100mn psychomaniac) are several times ahead of west, this will be exposed in our life time only.
Indians have no values, sorry to say. Religion and its followings are not values. Cultural binding (s) with nullified polarity for diametric thinking (God forbid activity) is prohibitive in nature, and this mindset holds no value in today's world. Maybe during the Dark Ages (6th -- 13th) centuries these made sense, not anymore.
We are being lead ahead with those values, which vested interests want to demolish.
How has India succeeding as being a flagship leader..? Just because we have 7% YoY growth..? Can you not see how literally we ourselves are twisting ourselves into a tight knotted rope. On one hand we have a huge gamut of influx from the leading product MNCs (products, fiscal investment, infrastructure set up), while on the flip side of the Indian-coin, we are firmly rooted in an archaic era. This torsion on our society will eventually cause it to snap. The first forerunners of this Revelation will be women, children and the uneducated. We are progressing at a firm rate, but there is an equivalent (could be larger too) force which our society is asserting for non-progressive thinking and hellish practices -like that- which we endure on females. It is a juxtaposition. A gross irony, you could say. What will these "vested interests" demolish. Our YoY growth will not tarnish or diminish by showing the truth to the world, though a 6-7% slice of our GDP via Tourism may take a dip down. Even then, it will not hit rock-bottom. Companies will continue to invest at a high rate, because they literally have 1.5B people to reap rewards from, irrespective what we do to our women. Business is blind even if political correct at times...
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You know, that article is really good. Why would I say that. Because the post-feminism resultant (as per that article) is all ready prevalent in India without a feminist thematic movement, summarizing that article with cross-reference to India:
1. A lot of American males are unmarried and live in perpetual adolescence. Answer: Same it is with India. Most males here, are living in a literal childhood. Their mother/nannies take care of all their ADLs in the household, and after marriage the wife does.
2. Men have failed to transition to adulthood. Answer: same as above. Fathering a child and earning money does not equal adult hood. Managing the house and giving equal status to you spouse/daughter, does.
3. High % of bachelors in America. Answer: Same here. I wonder why. You would know.
4. After decades of feminism men are setting the standards for relationships. Answer: How different is it here.
5. Ratio of male/female is skewed. Answer: Same here.
6. Girls have to live by guys demands. Answer: Same here.
7. Women are considered social misfits for not being promiscuous. Answer: Women are social misfits (seen as a curse) anyways, here.
8. Young women are not likely to get married. Answer: I would rather have this scenario, then them being married forcefully as it happens in India. Akin: to marriage/breeding being a duty of females. What is wrong anyways, with women not getting married. Is not the lament of the article, about men not being married. Why this sympathy for women, all of a sudden.
9. The good girls are in jobs at 25, and not married. Answer: This is a paragraph written from a standardized male oriented PoV. Job <----> Marriage are seen as mutually inconclusive. Or incompatible.
10. Children from wedlock. Answer: Shown by studies that it is deficient for children. I would put the blame, equally on both men and women (alphabetical) here. To be honest. Yes, the child suffers. But both parents are equally at fault. There are sufficient methods to prevent conception.
11. Rest of the critique against feminism. Being: It has succeeded in the West, but caused misery and social failures (essence of the article). Answer: Women have their respect and can hold their heads high, equivalent to their counter-parts. It speaks a lot. If India, does not want to let out women from the confines of their 4-walls, at least treat them with due respect within. On the streets, and let them have a yay, or nay. Educate them, at a minimal.
