One of the best columns I have read in recent times (Indo-pak "peace" process)

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Nikhil

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http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/may/09guest1.htm


WHAT WILL IT TAKE MR PRIME MINISTER ??


January 25/26, 1997: 25 at Wandhama-Ganderbal

March 20, 1997: 7 at Sangrampura

April 18, 1998: 27 at Prankote

June 19, 1998: 25 at Chapnari

July 28, 1998: 16 in two villages of Doda district

August 8, 1998: 35 at Kalaban

February 20, 1999: 4 at Muraputta, 9 at Barlyara and 7 at Bllala

June 30, 1999: 15 in Anantnag district

July 19, 1999: 15 at Layata

February 28, 2000: 5 near Qazigund

March 20, 2000: 35 at Chatisinghpora

August 1, 2000: 31 Amarnath Yatris at Pahalgam

August 1-2, 2000: 27 in Qazigund and Achabal

August 2, 2000: 11 in Doda district

February 3, 2001: 6 in Mahjoornagar in Srinagar

February 11, 2001: 15 in Kot-Chadwal

March 2, 2001: 15 in Manjkote

March 17, 2001: 8 near Atholi in Doda

July 21, 2001: 13 including 7 Amarnath pilgrims at Sheshnag

July 22, 2001: 12 in Cheerji and Tagood in Doda district

August 4, 2001: 15 in Ludder-Sharotid Har area in Doda district

January 7, 2002: 17 in Ramsoo

February 17, 2002: 8 in Rajouri

March 30, 2002: 12 at the Raghunath temple in Jammu

May 14, 2002: 32 at the army camp in Kaluchak, Jammu

July 13, 2002: 20 in Kasim Nagar, Jammu

August 6, 2002: 9 Amarnath pilgrims at the Nunwan base camp in Pahalgam

August 24, 2002: 10 in Rajouri

November 24, 2002: 14 at the Raghunath Temple in Jammu

March 24, 2003: 24 in Nadimarg

April 29, 2005: 13 in Udhampur district

April 30, 2005: 22 in Doda district

Wonder what these numbers refer to? Yes, these numbers refer to the innocent people who have been massacred by Islamist terrorists in the state of Jammu & Kashmir during last few years. And this is not a comprehensive list by any means. It just highlights the major massacres that have been undertaken by Islamist terrorists in recent years. In addition to these major massacres, there have been targeted killings going on at regular intervals all through these years.

And do you know what was common among these innocent victims? Yes, all these victims of Islamic terrorism were innocent Hindus, who believed in the Indian national flag and Constitution.

Targeted killings of Hindus in J&K continue unabated but nothing moves our state and central government. Instead of any concrete and decisive response, we hear oft-repeated sound-bytes from our politicians and policy makers. Here is how they reacted to the latest massacre in Doda and Udhampur:

'People of Kashmir have rejected and rebuffed terrorists repeatedly,' said our Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh.

'We have advised the state authorities to review the security measures for the minorities in the state. This incident clearly shows the desperation of the terrorists who want to derail the peace process in the state,' said Home Secretary V K Duggal.

Our Minister of State for Home Sriprakash Jaiswal chimed in: 'The terrorists do not want the peace initiatives being taken by the Centre to succeed.'

And finally J&K's Chief Minister Ghulam Nabi Azad topped it off by saying: 'The killers will not be spared. We will not allow them to succeed in their designs. We would rather give a big push to the peace process. I want to make it clear once and for all that we will not bow to any pressure from terrorists. They will not be allowed to get away with their acts of mass murders.'

Mr Chief Minister, which planet are you living in? They have been getting away with these acts of mass murder all along without any punitive repercussions and you talk about not allowing them to get away. I know it is said that ignorance is bliss but not in this case. Please wake up and try to see the reality on the ground.

Do these sound bytes sound familiar? How many times have we heard these already? At this point, we don't even need to ask these politicians for their reaction. Don't we already know what they are going to say?

And what do the Opposition parties do? The age-old call for a bandh. That is what the National Conference and Panthers Party have done -- called for a Jammu bandh. The BJP has not even done that. It has totally given up. It might as well close the shop and go for a perpetual Rath Yatra touring every village of India. That will keep the BJP and its remaining leadership busy for a while.

The worst but most-repeated statement that the Government of India issues is: 'These killings will not affect the peace process with Pakistan.'

WHY NOT?

Why shouldn't these killings affect the peace process with Pakistan? Why shouldn't India withdraw from all the peace processes and so-called confidence building measures? Why shouldn't India demand the absolute closing down of the entire terror infrastructure in Pakistan and the verification of the same by joint Indo-Pak forces? Why shouldn't India be forthright and blunt about blaming Pakistan for this scourge of terrorism? Why does India have to play nice while its innocent citizens, including little children, are getting killed day in and day out by these Islamist terrorists who are supported and sponsored by Pakistan?

Until and unless Pakistan stops all the support -- moral, political, diplomatic, economic and military, to terrorists, India should not entertain any offer of talks from Pakistan. India just needs to focus on eradicating terrorists from J&K and I propose the following 13-step process to achieve that with immediate effect:

1. Stop all confidence building measures that are in process with Pakistan;

2. Suspend all diplomatic relations with Pakistan;
3. Suspend the Caravan-e-Aman bus service between Srinagar and Muzzafarabad;

4. Cancel the scheduled meeting with Pakistan's puppets, the Hurriyat Conference;

5. Seal the entire border with Pakistan and Bangladesh;

6. Declare internal emergency in J&K, without suspending the constitution;

7. Appoint someone like K P S Gill as the internal security czar in J&K, who will oversee the entire security operations in the state and will report directly to the Prime Minister's Office;

8. Let the civilian state government, elected by the masses, handle the civilian operations within the state;

9. Give appropriate and required authority to security forces and agencies;

10. Ask all foreign reporters and so-called Amnesty International observers to leave J&K within 24 hours;

11. Give an ultimatum to all the citizens of J&K to stop shielding and supporting terrorists. Anyone found shielding and supporting any terrorists will be charged accordingly;

12. Give an ultimatum of 3 weeks to all terrorists in J&K to lay down arms and surrender or face the wrath of the security forces and; 13. Then let the show begin.


At the South Asia Journal conference organised by South Asia Free Media Association, Pakistan's Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said, 'The dialogue process with India is underway. However, its pace is not very good and there is need to speed up this process.' He also said: 'Both countries now should move towards dispute resolution rather than dispute management.'

India should tell Shaukat Aziz to shut up and instead focus on his internal mess. It is about time to tell Pakistan to go to hell. India has no obligation to listen to Shaukat Aziz or any of his minions.

India does not have to worry about how the US and other European nations will react to her strategy to deal with terrorism. It is India's problem and India needs to deal with it in the manner that is in the best interest of India and its citizens. When a nine-year-old girl is killed in Doda district, it is the blood of India that flows. We need to be crystal clear in our dealings with US and other Western nations and tell them categorically that Indian blood is as precious as American or European blood.

If the US and other Western nations can take all the extreme measures, which they should and they are, to protect their citizens and land, India has the absolute right to do the same. When a terrorist hurts an innocent Indian child, s/he is hurting the whole nation of India and India will not tolerate that at any cost.

So I have only one question for our honorable Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh:

Having already lost so much innocent blood, what will it take Mr Prime Minister?

OMG!!! this guy is echoing my thoughts!!!! Lalit Koul rocks :P ....

What do you guys feel??
 
^^ Gotta agree with him.

But the problem is that its very easy to type out "Seal the Border", but in that terrain it kinda isn't possible.

Hence infiltration will always continue untill 'Edited' :ohyeah:
 
the biggest stupidity was done by India herself .. Pt Nehru to be exact..

by conceding the area of kashmir to pakistan ..

now they believe they can get hold of all of it and worst of all .. they are using that land for training and harbouring militants..
 
And who's to say they'll be satisfied even if we did give Kashmir over to them entirely. They'll simply demand Punjab or Haryana next.
 
^^ errr demand?? punjab and haryana would be the next j&k... and j&K would be the next afganistan..

india and indians are sleeping puppets..(giants is too much.. :bleh:).. the nation wouldnt wake up until a kargil happens.. people wouldnt bother abt the innocent lives that are lost everyday in place called the paradise on earth.. hell its worse the hell for most of the people living there.. def paradise for the terrorists...

why is it that india is still demanding the main accused in the 1993 serial blasts... wtf... they should have killed him by now .. and dont tell me its impossible .. just that who cares?? apne baap ka kya ja raha hai ? marne do ..

this is gonna go on until someone does something abt it.. when oyu reach that stage where extremism is the only way ahead then well there aint no point in talks.. is there??

india is being diplomatic. yes . its showing the world that it`s a peace loving nation.. its showing the world that it can play diplomatic games too even at the intl level.. but at what cost?? when you put at stake the lives in millions o f innocent indians so that the world looks upon you as a good nation.. i say balls to that ideology! who the hell cares abt the world?? its our land, our people, and our men and women who would fight and die for oour country ..

its long drawn.. its either ours or thier .. it cant be both.. so get it done with.. easier said then done.. cause ofcourse mere baap kya kya jata hai? i`m chilling out here in mumbai who cares? eh
 
once a reporter asked......to a terrorist.......suppose kashmir is given to u then wht????

the guy answered .....we will claim whole india........

my view:::
jaisa toffe mang raha hain..khajoor kahi ka.....
 
If the situation continues this way, the only thing to do would be to follow in Israels footsteps. Reply every terrorist attack with a Kargil war.

The only problem is that the world would then critisice us for defending ourselves.
 
The stupidest thing is to say that "we will not let terrorists derail the peace effort". Why? Pakistan is supporting these people - clearly they have no interest in peace. But our PM has less balls than 'Edited'
 
'Edited' This will only happen when the RSS rule India, and Narendra Modi becomes PM....Praveen Togadia-President,Narendra Modi- PM,IF THAT HAPPENS PAK IS GONE!
 
No, if Narendra Modi and RSS chums becomes PM we will just have compulsory go to temple sessions. They don't have any balls either, Pakistan will stay the same, but we will have many more riots in India.
 
India almost came to war after the parliament incident in which militants targetted the parliament. I guess the militants should again do something of that sort and in which some of the ministers get wounded then surely Pakistan is gone. India needs these kind of shocks to get into action otherwise kashmir gets on to a backburner.

If india attacks pakistan then it should take hold of some land and then negotiate that with anything it wants. US of A does not have balls to interfere coz max it can do is sanction and i guess if we sanction software exports to USA then it will be tit for tat.... :)
 
[mod]Closing thread till i sort out the nuke issue.

I am cleaning some of the posts here to stop these flame wars.

Guys please discuss such issues without the Phrase "Nuke this, Nuke that" you think it is that easy - just launch & let all hell break loose, this is not a game :no:

Please stay on topic - all unwarranted phrases would be edited or posts deleted.
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Pak is playing games with us. They know we're so much into the Peace things that they can attack us all they want and we still wouldn't do anything about it.

If it takes a full fledged war to shut Pak and Islam, then so be it. India will have to rise up for itself sometime!
 
A full scale invasion would'nt be very wise. The nations of the world would condemn us for such an action and may even support Pak against us. Plus, in desperation they may use their nukes against us which is definitely not what we want.
 
The nations of the world will criticise us initially but we should be strong enough to withstand that. Once Pak is destroyed(NOTE TO DIp... I dont mean Nuke destroyed :P ), and we invite the world press into Pakistan and see the conditions and the training camps, then they will agree with us.

Today most of the world knows that Pakistan is a major terrorist hub. They are afraid of it coz it has nukes.

Actually the only thing stopping us from invading pak is the nukes..... If Islamic extremists get hold of the nukes, then there is no saying what they will do.
 
India should use a great idea. Pakistani army is troubled with NWFP, Balochistan, Afghanistan and Waziristan. Let there be one terrorist attack( which is quite regular these days) and get the Army onto the border and let Pakistan be sorrounded with the Army. Pakistan loses both ways!!
 
not that easy dude..

internal affairs are one thing .. external is another..

i say the best method wd be to take a strong stance and appoint a man of the calibur of KPS Gill who so successfully uprooted the militancy in Punjab ..

We need ppl like him who can make good use of power and get results..

Furthermore.. if pak barks .. we shd rather ask for the POK to be returned.. we all kno they hold it .. and is dear to them ..

(the K in paKistan was meant for Kashmir ..

P- Punjab

A- afghan regions aka afghania

k- kasmir

s- sindh

tan- from Baluchistan )
 
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