Graphic Cards PC for Flight Sim [and golf sim]

[deepakvrao]

Hi Guys,

Had posted a while ago about upgrading my existing system for a golf sim. Now, I'm thinking of restarting flight sim too so further questions.

I did a lot of flight sim thru covid years. Have a 9600K with a 3080ti with 32gb RAM and was using a 2K 3 monitor setup. Was flying on X-Plane 11 and want give MSFS 2024 a shot.

Now planning 4k, so getting the 9800x3d, 64gb RAM but undecided about the GPU. Choices are

4070 ti Super
5070 ti
9070XT
7900xtx

All are within my budget.

Would really appreciate suggestions.

 

[mr824]

Hi Guys,

Had posted a while ago about upgrading my existing system for a golf sim. Now, I'm thinking of restarting flight sim too so further questions.

I did a lot of flight sim thru covid years. Have a 9600K with a 3080ti with 32gb RAM and was using a 2K 3 monitor setup. Was flying on X-Plane 11 and want give MSFS 2024 a shot.

Now planning 4k, so getting the 9800x3d, 64gb RAM but undecided about the GPU. Choices are

4070 ti Super
5070 ti
9070XT
7900xtx

All are within my budget.

Would really appreciate suggestions.

Please if you can stretch out a little more and get a 4080 or 4080 super, it'd really suit you better. Also, VR with flight sim is the way to go, if you plan to upgrade later and a 4080 would be ok with it without a lot of compromises in settings. 4k with the 70 series is a fair bit of settings optimization. I'm not sure about AMD cards as it is a windows optimized title.

 

[el_diablo]

Please if you can stretch out a little more and get a 4080 or 4080 super, it'd really suit you better. Also, VR with flight sim is the way to go, if you plan to upgrade later and a 4080 would be ok with it without a lot of compromises in settings. 4k with the 70 series is a fair bit of settings optimization. I'm not sure about AMD cards as it is a windows optimized title.

Not worth buying 4080 or 4080 super at current market price.

 

[OMEGA44-XT]

GPU - 5070Ti at 1L vs 9070XT at 75k are the main choices. 5070Ti provides slightly higher raster fps, noticeably more RT fps & DLSS4 is better vs FSR4 (although FSR4 is better than DLSS3 now). Nvidia GPUs are better for most productivity tasks as well.

MSFS 2024 seems to favour AMD GPUs, so can buy 9070XT & save money.

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 review: Excellent value, if supply is good

Big AI and ray tracing improvements, but questions about retail supply remain.

www.tomshardware.com

Price drops will happen, but not sure by when. 9070XT might fall in price to 65k & 5070Ti might drop to 80-85k. Your call if you want to wait.

 

[deepakvrao]

Please if you can stretch out a little more and get a 4080 or 4080 super, it'd really suit you better. Also, VR with flight sim is the way to go, if you plan to upgrade later and a 4080 would be ok with it without a lot of compromises in settings. 4k with the 70 series is a fair bit of settings optimization. I'm not sure about AMD cards as it is a windows optimized title.

I can stretch but the 4080s have only 16gb VRAM, and from what I have seen MSFS does well with more VRAM. Might not do VR. I tried it last time around and preferred multiple monitors with trackir. Had bought a VR headset but sold it in a month or so.

Not worth buying 4080 or 4080 super at current market price.

I think so too

GPU - 5070Ti at 1L vs 9070XT at 75k are the main choices. 5070Ti provides slightly higher raster fps, noticeably more RT fps & DLSS4 is better vs FSR4 (although FSR4 is better than DLSS3 now). Nvidia GPUs are better for most productivity tasks as well.

MSFS 2024 seems to favour AMD GPUs, so can buy 9070XT & save money.

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AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 review: Excellent value, if supply is good

Big AI and ray tracing improvements, but questions about retail supply remain.

www.tomshardware.com

Price drops will happen, but not sure by when. 9070XT might fall in price to 65k & 5070Ti might drop to 80-85k. Your call if you want to wait.

Why not the 7900xtx? Has 24gb VRAM and that's why it's best for MSFS right?

 

[OMEGA44-XT]

I can stretch but the 4080s have only 16gb VRAM, and from what I have seen MSFS does well with more VRAM. Might not do VR. I tried it last time around and preferred multiple monitors with trackir. Had bought a VR headset but sold it in a month or so.

I think so too

Why not the 7900xtx? Has 24gb VRAM and that's why it's best for MSFS right?

9070XT will outlast 7900XTX in the long run (unless it gets VRAM limited). Better RT is the main reason, games like Star Wars Outlaws have RT always on. 5-10% lower raster performance is not a lot to lose. Also, FSR4 is locked to Radeon 9000 for now, IMO it should support older RDNA3 GPUs like how Nvidia's core DLSS4 upscaling does (but frame gen doesn't), else it will affect FSR4 adoption in games.

Anyways watch more 9070XT & 5070Ti reviews & take the call.

 

[deepakvrao]

OK Guys, some further thoughts.

I had posted this first pic a few days ago and I learnt that the GPU was rendering 1080 and it was getting upscaled to 4K.

So, switched off DLSS [all from advise I got here - thanks] and this is what I get in the second image. Genuine 4K but the same FPS. I thought FPS would drop? Also, I see that VRAM is being used 9gb out of the available 10GB.

Another observation was that when DLSS was on, it was always almost showing 'limited by main thread' while without DLSS it was switching between 'limited by main thread' and 'limited by GPU'.

This is on the PC I built in 2019 which is a 9600K and 3080ti and 32gb RAM.

Just about to start a new build with the 9800x3d and 64gb RAM. Waiting for the CPU to arrive. Undecided about GPU. Keep the 3080ti and see how it does?

If I upgrade GPU, I'm getting mixed opinions. Some say 9070xt as it's the latest AMD or the 5070ti, but both have less VRAM than the 7900xtx but then others say that its 'older' tech than the 9070xt. I know that MSFS uses plenty of VRAM. Can stretch for a 5080 but even that has only 16gb vs the 24gb of the 7900xtx.

So, which GPU would you guys suggest for my new PC?

 

[PunkX 75]

OK Guys, some further thoughts.

I had posted this first pic a few days ago and I learnt that the GPU was rendering 1080 and it was getting upscaled to 4K.

So, switched off DLSS [all from advise I got here - thanks] and this is what I get in the second image. Genuine 4K but the same FPS. I thought FPS would drop? Also, I see that VRAM is being used 9gb out of the available 10GB.

Another observation was that when DLSS was on, it was always almost showing 'limited by main thread' while without DLSS it was switching between 'limited by main thread' and 'limited by GPU'.

This is on the PC I built in 2019 which is a 9600K and 3080ti and 32gb RAM.

Just about to start a new build with the 9800x3d and 64gb RAM. Waiting for the CPU to arrive. Undecided about GPU. Keep the 3080ti and see how it does?

If I upgrade GPU, I'm getting mixed opinions. Some say 9070xt as it's the latest AMD or the 5070ti, but both have less VRAM than the 7900xtx but then others say that its 'older' tech than the 9070xt. I know that MSFS uses plenty of VRAM. Can stretch for a 5080 but even that has only 16gb vs the 24gb of the 7900xtx.
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With the 9800X3D + 3080 Ti, expect fps numbers to be in the mid 30s, at native 4K ultra. You're just currently held back by that 9600K. As for the GPU upgrade, see how it goes with the 3080 Ti first.

 

[deepakvrao]

With the 9800X3D + 3080 Ti, expect fps numbers to be in the mid 30s, at native 4K ultra. You're just currently held back by that 9600K. As for the GPU upgrade, see how it goes with the 3080 Ti first.

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Thanks. I think so too. If I get 30-40fps, should be fine but I want to get that in Ultra settings. If I dont, I'll upgrade GPU.

Still reading that 850w psu should be OK for a 9800x3d + 5080 right? The 9800x3d TDPs lower than intel cpus and Nvidia recommends 850w for the 5080 taking into account high tdp intel cpus?

 

[PunkX 75]

Still reading that 850w psu should be OK for a 9800x3d + 5080 right? The 9800x3d TDPs lower than intel cpus and Nvidia recommends 850w for the 5080 taking into account high tdp intel cpus?

The 5080's TDP is roughly the same as the 3080 Ti, so you'll be fine with 850W.

For reference, I have a 3080, which cranked as far as it can go and runs fine with my 750W unit.

 

[OMEGA44-XT]

Thanks. I think so too. If I get 30-40fps, should be fine but I want to get that in Ultra settings. If I dont, I'll upgrade GPU.

Still reading that 850w psu should be OK for a 9800x3d + 5080 right? The 9800x3d TDPs lower than intel cpus and Nvidia recommends 850w for the 5080 taking into account high tdp intel cpus?

850W is fine.

Not sure if 24GB VRAM will help you with anything but I won't recommend 7900XTX to anyone in general. 9070XT is the best AMD GPU for now for gaming because of RT performance bump & FSR4 early access.

 

[deepakvrao]

Well, one issue got resolved. Someone pointed out that fps seems almost locked at 15fps and suggested that I turn off v-sync. Didn't make sense to me but I did turn it off and getting 40fps in Medium and 26fps in Ultra. I have a feeling with a 9800x3d I might be able to get 40 plus with my 3080ti itself and I might not need a gpu upgrade right away. Will build the PC and see.