Market Feedback Perfumes GO - Feedback Thread

[chiragsthakur]

I never mentioned in any of my posts that I have bought anything from you You can ask indialogue about my PM to him. It seems rather you need some money now to refund. I have enough of it.

And @chiragsthakur - You did not buy anything from me, People are just piling on for free money now it seems.

Atleast you replied soon. lol

 

[sg3707]

Riv, the only reason I did not copy paste the PM in the first place is because I thought there was some personal information in what you have mentioned (Like you said you were in dhule..studying and all). I never called you a cheat or liar or anything or for that matter I would never call any one like that ever.

You don't want people to call you names where as you call me a Liar. I do not want to argue on anything.

I am copy pasting the PM. Let us see who the liar is.

You take my money, send fake perfumes and waste my time. Where as I waste my money in shipping those back to you, wait for months and at last you call me Liar. Great.

Hi,
Im not currently in mumbai, I am in dhule for my flying (internet connectivity is difficult to get a hold of here). I was very busy and could not follow up with the dealer for the refunds. Anyway I ended up spoiling my relations with him since we argued on the complaints the people had. And he was offended that i said they might be fake. In the end he told me that he wont refund me the money. Problem is I already had sent him the bottles before leaving from mumbai. So i am in a really tough spot. Obviously I will try my best to refund everyone but its going to be from my own money. And I am a student so 15-20k is a very large amount for me. Anyway Im sorry for the inconvenience you faced but even im going through a lot of trouble to arrange money to send to people. Ill have you refunded for the 1million and the dealer will send you a sealed box pack of bleau de chanel. thats the best I can do for you at this time.

After this I clearly mentioned that I do not to deal with him any more and please return my money back or else I would look at legal alternatives. His Response was

I understand you waited for your money. Think about my place aswell, I am stuck in the middle of all this even though it was not my fault in the first place and I dont have a job of my own and all, Im still studying so 20k(ur not the only one who asked for money back) is a lot of money for me. I still tried to save up whatever money I had and start paying people slowly. I suggested you to take the box because its a packed sealed one (the same one that's sold in shoppers stop) so i thought you would prolly like that. but he is not agreeing to give me any money back..
Anyway If you are persistent on making me pay for everything and give me threats of all sorts just because im stuck in a difficult situation then you will have to wait for some more time. I have already refunded u for 1 perfume (2200rs). I dont have that much money with me right now to refund u for the chanel since i also gave a refund to 1-2other members.

He kept on pushing me to take the replacement perfume even after I clearly mentioned that I do not want to deal with him anymore.

I only mentioned in my posts that he keeps on delaying with some or the other reason. I still do not know what I lied about.

 

[H2O]

This seems to be some a poor display of us TE'ians. I don't see Rivunited at fault. I haven't ordered from him, but I still wouldn't mind ordering from him. For the simple reason he allowed you to get a complete refund if you did not like the product.

Anyway, coming to my point.
1> It is clear that he is a student, he was earning a small commission from selling these perfumes here.
2> It is clear that he conducted 1 successful GO and people came back for seconds.
3> He clearly stated the bottles are testers and as we all know there is a difference between testers and the real deal.
4> To his knowledge they weren't fakes.
5> A few people who did have problems got their money back or products replaced, that made it clear that his intentions weren't to loot you.
6> His dealer after listening to the acquisitions allowed 2 TE members to inspect his holding area, understand this, these were 2 people who he did not know and many people wouldn't even consider allowing strangers to do the same.
7> Rivunited sent the scans of whatever receipts he had to one of the moderators.

What happened next was that the few people who found their products to be not up to their expectations rose as they started feeling they've been conned.

Now, after reading everything above, consider this.
1> The dealer was fair enough to accept legitimate returns because even to his knowledge these perfumes are originals or testers.
2> Once everybody started returning their goods (even though they are sprayed 'only' once or twice) they are no more in the condition they were shipped to you.
3> Now, Rivunited has to make all these refunds himself and though the dealer might make a few, no dealer will allow you to return all the goods for cash.

Finally, somebody decided to contact his ex-boss, start posting his personal details, etc. Is this the way moral humans behave? The GO was a good thing he started because he wanted you to benefit out of this deal. Now, he's gotten into some bad muck.

I understand people are agitated over the fact that they could have gotten the same fakes for a cheaper price at ebay, please don't tell me you did not do your research before buying anything from Rivunited. I'm pretty sure you relied on him the same way he thought that those perfumes were originals.

It would probably be a good idea, to ask those people who are happy with their perfumes, ask them which bottles did they get rather than fighting over a mass refund. I understand that money means a lot to everybody here, but, this has to be understood nobody plans to siphon off your funds. Most deals that happen over TE are in good faith and to help us forum members, by resorting to acts like posting personal details around, etc. we would completely destroy this mutual feeling of trust.

I hope I do not hurt anybody's sentiments.

 

[manucitc]

This seems to be some a poor display of us TE'ians. I don't see Rivunited at fault. I haven't ordered from him, but I still wouldn't mind ordering from him. For the simple reason he allowed you to get a complete refund if you did not like the product.

Anyway, coming to my point.
1> It is clear that he is a student, he was earning a small commission from selling these perfumes here.
2> It is clear that he conducted 1 successful GO and people came back for seconds.
3> He clearly stated the bottles are testers and as we all know there is a difference between testers and the real deal.
4> To his knowledge they weren't fakes.
5> A few people who did have problems got their money back or products replaced, that made it clear that his intentions weren't to loot you.
6> His dealer after listening to the acquisitions allowed 2 TE members to inspect his holding area, understand this, these were 2 people who he did not know and many people wouldn't even consider allowing strangers to do the same.
7> Rivunited sent the scans of whatever receipts he had to one of the moderators.

What happened next was that the few people who found their products to be not up to their expectations rose as they started feeling they've been conned.

Now, after reading everything above, consider this.
1> The dealer was fair enough to accept legitimate returns because even to his knowledge these perfumes are originals or testers.
2> Once everybody started returning their goods (even though they are sprayed 'only' once or twice) they are no more in the condition they were shipped to you.
3> Now, Rivunited has to make all these refunds himself and though the dealer might make a few, no dealer will allow you to return all the goods for cash.

Finally, somebody decided to contact his ex-boss, start posting his personal details, etc. Is this the way moral humans behave? The GO was a good thing he started because he wanted you to benefit out of this deal. Now, he's gotten into some bad muck.

I understand people are agitated over the fact that they could have gotten the same fakes for a cheaper price at ebay, please don't tell me you did not do your research before buying anything from Rivunited. I'm pretty sure you relied on him the same way he thought that those perfumes were originals.

It would probably be a good idea, to ask those people who are happy with their perfumes, ask them which bottles did they get rather than fighting over a mass refund. I understand that money means a lot to everybody here, but, this has to be understood nobody plans to siphon off your funds. Most deals that happen over TE are in good faith and to help us forum members, by resorting to acts like posting personal details around, etc. we would completely destroy this mutual feeling of trust.

I hope I do not hurt anybody's sentiments.

Did you even the whole eBay shipping fiasco.... he didn't explain that clearly...
We are not living in Gandhi time anymore so little aggressive human behavior is good after someone f@@@ us real hard to relieve ourselves... :thumbup:

 

[Daredvil]

This seems to be some a poor display of us TE'ians. I don't see Rivunited at fault. I haven't ordered from him, but I still wouldn't mind ordering from him. For the simple reason he allowed you to get a complete refund if you did not like the product.

Anyway, coming to my point.
1> It is clear that he is a student, he was earning a small commission from selling these perfumes here.
2> It is clear that he conducted 1 successful GO and people came back for seconds.
3> He clearly stated the bottles are testers and as we all know there is a difference between testers and the real deal.
4> To his knowledge they weren't fakes.
5> A few people who did have problems got their money back or products replaced, that made it clear that his intentions weren't to loot you.
6> His dealer after listening to the acquisitions allowed 2 TE members to inspect his holding area, understand this, these were 2 people who he did not know and many people wouldn't even consider allowing strangers to do the same.
7> Rivunited sent the scans of whatever receipts he had to one of the moderators.

What happened next was that the few people who found their products to be not up to their expectations rose as they started feeling they've been conned.

Now, after reading everything above, consider this.
1> The dealer was fair enough to accept legitimate returns because even to his knowledge these perfumes are originals or testers.
2> Once everybody started returning their goods (even though they are sprayed 'only' once or twice) they are no more in the condition they were shipped to you.
3> Now, Rivunited has to make all these refunds himself and though the dealer might make a few, no dealer will allow you to return all the goods for cash.

Finally, somebody decided to contact his ex-boss, start posting his personal details, etc. Is this the way moral humans behave? The GO was a good thing he started because he wanted you to benefit out of this deal. Now, he's gotten into some bad muck.

I understand people are agitated over the fact that they could have gotten the same fakes for a cheaper price at ebay, please don't tell me you did not do your research before buying anything from Rivunited. I'm pretty sure you relied on him the same way he thought that those perfumes were originals.

It would probably be a good idea, to ask those people who are happy with their perfumes, ask them which bottles did they get rather than fighting over a mass refund. I understand that money means a lot to everybody here, but, this has to be understood nobody plans to siphon off your funds. Most deals that happen over TE are in good faith and to help us forum members, by resorting to acts like posting personal details around, etc. we would completely destroy this mutual feeling of trust.

I hope I do not hurt anybody's sentiments.

Bro Have you read the thread.

1.He never said he was earning a commision.Allthough people would not mind if it were real testers
2.Many People have brought for first time in good faith and have no idea about these perfumes.Even in 1st Go Bottles were sent by the fake ebay dealer
3.No there not much diff between testers and real ones .The value of original testers is 3-4% less on reputed perfume sites.
4.He said his dealer got from dubai,But he turned out he was an ebay dealer of fakes
5.Many people did not follow the case as they did not have time.Allmost all bottles have been sent by ebay dealer and are fakes or diluted versions
6-The so called members were rivunited friends who just defend him .They were not active on forum but sprang up and thier only posts have been defending riv.
7.He never sent the scans of the bottles of members who complained ,majority are from atul gupta the fake dealer

These were sold as real testers not some fake testers and many people who have used original ones have confirmed.

It has been months now and he has just replied when his personal details have been written.

 

[indialogue]

I appreciate you agreeing with me.
Well I apologize for jumping in late, what more can I say. Also this does not mean I am taking the onus for this. Gannu, too has called up Rivunited, and that too from work. I do not want to get into slander mode here, but if you think, that talk is cheap, then I am sorry again for posting here and trying to help out. One can beat the donkey, or urge the donkey. That is up to you all (buyers) to decide.

I'm really sorry if I gave you the impression that I was referring to you and @Gannu when I said talk was cheap. That statement was meant for @Rivunited alone and no one else. I don't really expect the moderators on TE to do more than they have so far, trust me. I appreciate that both you and @Gannu are taking time on this issue

 

[asingh]

I'm really sorry if I gave you the impression that I was referring to you and Gannu when I said talk was cheap. That statement was meant for Rivunited alone and no one else. I don't really expect the moderators on TE to do more than they have so far, trust me. I appreciate that both you and Gannu are taking time on this issue

Thanks for understanding, my friend. I would suggest to wait it out...so we can draw up an algorithm.

@Gannu; if you are fine with it..

1. Call up Riv; [since he is communicating with you & if you are fine doing this] and ask him to see my post where I suggested an iterative summary of details and refunds with user name. Include the dates too.
2. He can create a post here, and post in the details.
3. We can prioritize as per date.
4. Hopefully the reversals should start, even if late.
5. All transaction details can be mentioned here, like the bank name and transaction ID number, real name and account details can be suppressed.

I think this is win-win; even if deferred.

Will this work for you...?

 

[Zero Cool]

@Zerocool, GO **** your self ! Im not a thief you son of a b**ch.

Firstly, there is no reason to abuse my family. It shows that you are not a man of character.
Secondly, all it takes is a SORRY from you in addition to owning up to your follies for forgiveness.
In case you are too uptight for that it won't be long before someone who has had a crappy day actually calls the cops on you.

If dragged into legal oroceedings trust me, you don't have a strong case. You and your dealer owe the government sales tax, import duty, VAT, excise plus any FERA inquiries should you be dragged into it. It's best to be honest (even if you've been on the wrong side of things) and ask for forgiveness.

 

[H2O]

Bro Have you read the thread.

1.He never said he was earning a commision.Allthough people would not mind if it were real testers
2.Many People have brought for first time in good faith and have no idea about these perfumes.Even in 1st Go Bottles were sent by the fake ebay dealer
3.No there not much diff between testers and real ones .The value of original testers is 3-4% less on reputed perfume sites.
4.He said his dealer got from dubai,But he turned out he was an ebay dealer of fakes
5.Many people did not follow the case as they did not have time.Allmost all bottles have been sent by ebay dealer and are fakes or diluted versions
6-The so called members were rivunited friends who just defend him .They were not active on forum but sprang up
7.He never sent the scans of the bottles of members who complained ,majority are from atul gupta the fake dealer

These were sold as real testers not some fake testers and many people who have used original ones have confirmed.

I think he talked about the commission, will try looking for that post.

The fake ebay dealer thing, I'm still not buying the fact that he was buying stuff from ebay and getting it shipped directly to us. He must be a really stupid con artist to buy stuff from ebay and ship it without changing any details on the packaging. Though, I'm not sure whether the courier guys were pasting labels for advertisement, but, some members visited the dealer's place and verified that there were various perfumes available.

About the price, that is the only thing which makes this deal slightly messed up. This is precisely why I didn't order because I wasn't too sure about how it could be so much cheaper, but this has been verified again that perfumes in Dubai and UAE are much cheaper than anywhere else, so the prices shouldn't be a problem.

Also, if people who feel they have fakes why don't they just be a little bit reasonable and exchange their bottles for the ones which have official tester logos, imprints, etc. This way I feel both parties would be happy. I am not denying the fact that this deal has gone down south, but rather than name calling and slandering and police cases, why not just settle it on amicable terms and decide never to buy goods such as perfumes online.

 

[prateekS]

@h20 people received packages withe ebay sellers name and phone number on it in the "From" part, i think he actually is a bad con artist.He thought people will like the smell and wont bother him again...

 

[manucitc]

@h20 people received packages withe ebay sellers name and phone number on it in the "From" part, i think he actually is a bad con artist.He thought people will like the smell and wont bother him again...

Don't bother him....
He is half sleep when he post About it...
Anyone goes through all page know how op has mislead people...

 

[Daredvil]

I think he talked about the commission, will try looking for that post.

The fake ebay dealer thing, I'm still not buying the fact that he was buying stuff from ebay and getting it shipped directly to us. He must be a really stupid con artist to buy stuff from ebay and ship it without changing any details on the packaging. Though, I'm not sure whether the courier guys were pasting labels for advertisement, but, some members visited the dealer's place and verified that there were various perfumes available.

About the price, that is the only thing which makes this deal slightly messed up. This is precisely why I didn't order because I wasn't too sure about how it could be so much cheaper, but this has been verified again that perfumes in Dubai and UAE are much cheaper than anywhere else, so the prices shouldn't be a problem.

Also, if people who feel they have fakes why don't they just be a little bit reasonable and exchange their bottles for the ones which have official tester logos, imprints, etc. This way I feel both parties would be happy. I am not denying the fact that this deal has gone down south, but rather than name calling and slandering and police cases, why not just settle it on amicable terms and decide never to buy goods such as perfumes online.

Please go through the pages.
The bottles are original but the content is diluted and they do not come with caps or packaging.

Again Riv had enough times to give proof he did not and some friends of him who have 2-3 posts suddenly apperared to give him an alibi when there name was not in any go list.

The ebay dealer has a shop and is located in mumbai itself .

 

[Gannu]

Thanks for understanding, my friend. I would suggest to wait it out...so we can draw up an algorithm.

@Gannu; if you are fine with it..

1. Call up Riv; [since he is communicating with you & if you are fine doing this] and ask him to see my post where I suggested an iterative summary of details and refunds with user name. Include the dates too.
2. He can create a post here, and post in the details.
3. We can prioritize as per date.
4. Hopefully the reversals should start, even if late.
5. All transaction details can be mentioned here, like the bank name and transaction ID number, real name and account details can be suppressed.

I think this is win-win; even if deferred.

Will this work for you...?

I am a bit busy until this weekend since my boss isn't around and I've to manage the show with my peers. That means spending more than half a day at the ship, coming back at the desk and mails and loads of crap. But I can however pass him a message or call him and let him know.

What I am not sure is if everyone's fine with this. He did tell me that he owed some people some refunds but not all.

 

[sriharsha_m]

@Gannu
Not all, coz he did refund my 4.8k a couple of weeks back.

 

[H2O]

Anyway, I might be wrong.

I hope this gets resolved as soon as possible.

Deals like these really bust the name of TE, hopefully this can be averted in the future.

 

[asingh]

I am a bit busy until this weekend since my boss isn't around and I've to manage the show with my peers. That means spending more than half a day at the ship, coming back at the desk and mails and loads of crap. But I can however pass him a message or call him and let him know.

What I am not sure is if everyone's fine with this. He did tell me that he owed some people some refunds but not all.

Understandable, Gannu.

I think people, should be fine with this plan. Anyways, we can wait for a veto. Meanwhile, when ever possible, send him an SMS and tell to look at post#257 in this thread. That should get the boat rocking, and expedite refunds.

 

[destiny]

Refund and wipe things off
As simple as its should be...

 

[artattak]

And what about his (Rivunited) refusal to refund on bottles that have dropped on level slightly? I came to know that the perfume is fake only after using it a bit as i had mentioned in my earlier post, it was very hard to differentiate with the original thing initially. Now its as good as dog piss. I think i am entitled for a return because its a case of cheating. I've been duped of my money with a false claim of the perfume being a genuine tester from Dubai. And if common sense prevails, Rivunited should be made to refund the money first - whatever time he takes - and then the buyer should ship the bottle back after getting his refund.

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Refund and wipe things off
As simple as its should be...

Wipe things off so that he can start duping newbies again on the forum?

 

[guptaji]

I don't think there is any point in dragging this issue any further and going back and forth with who said what; enough has been said already. Also, there is certainly no point in calling each other names and using profanities.

Important thing is @Rivunited is communicating (he sent me a PM and said he would refund me for 2 out 3 perfumes).
I agree @artattak about refund for partially used bottles, and I raised this issue with @Rivunited as well, but I doubt if we can do much about that.

Also, I'm glad the mods are doing their bit in getting this sorted! The best way forward is to get a committment date from riv and wait for the refunds!

 

[Gannu]

May we request only members who have issues with the deal to post here please? It's a lot confusing for Riv and the others to track down the details.