Forum Feedback Price policing & Sale thread closure

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Price Policing

  • i have noticed that half the sale threads are just opinions of others about revision of prices!!
  • would suggest/request the admin to see that we follow a no price policing method.
  • it simply means that if anyone wants to suggest a price revision in case the offer price by seller is high,he/she should do it via PM or mail or phone.


Sale Thread Closure


  • another suggestion would be that the seller mark the product one sold as SHIPPED and buyer can confirm the item as RECEIVED once he/she have got it and satisfied with the product being as described .
  • this can be followed by seller itself closing the thread.
 
the last point under 'price policing' seems a good one to let a sale-thread carry on neatly and in a gentle manner. however, i don't know whether it could really be 'enforced' by the mods.
 
ultimabasher said:
There is something called as free speech. If you dont like it, ignore it.
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i dont see where freedom of speech has anything to do here.
we are not suppressing anyone here,you can talk,discuss and request for price revisions via other means than flooding threads with dialogues like 'you found it cheaper at another place'.

at end of it,if anyone finds a cheaper deal,go for it but why whine and brag at a seller thread.

also this forum has dedicated threads which reports best offers at various online/offline stores so why mess up someone's sale thread.

if your truly concerned you wouldnt find this as a suppression to freedom of speech
 
Again, you cannot stop anyone from saying what they want. If they find a cheaper deal and they still come and comment, means that they are still interested in the thing you are selling, just not at the price. If you dont want to sell it at a price which they want, just ignore. I will give you a suggestion. Go check @saifbukhari s threads. You will find that there is no crapping whatsoever in those threads. Reason, the puts a good price and the items do get sold as well.

If you are quoting a wrong price, you are going to get flooded. Welcome to the internet.

ariendj said:
i dont see where freedom of speech has anything to do here.
we are not suppressing anyone here,you can talk,discuss and request for price revisions via other means than flooding threads with dialogues like 'you found it cheaper at another place'.

at end of it,if anyone finds a cheaper deal,go for it but why whine and brag at a seller thread.

also this forum has dedicated threads which reports best offers at various online/offline stores so why mess up someone's sale thread.

if your truly concerned you wouldnt find this as a suppression to freedom of speech
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i remember a quote by a mod once on another forum regarding some issue in the 'sale' section there, that went something like - "not everything can be enforced & people have to make do with the available platform & whatever comes with it. the portal is meant to be a 'free market' & trying to clench our fists too tightly could result in slipping out of our own benefits that may well come, or be in the waiting, from this sort of 'free trade'."

to avoid one's thread becoming instead a 'free-for-all', perhaps mutual understanding may be necessary. the seller/OP can take the initiative & start his thread by posting in the OP that 'member(s) may please let me know for revision in the price through relevant references if it is required, by way of PMs/VMs.' though, in the end, not to forget, it's just a suggestion; anyone & everyone is free to choose their own manner while posting the OP as well as for the members to comment :D
 
ariendj said:
i dont see where freedom of speech has anything to do here.
we are not suppressing anyone here,you can talk,discuss and request for price revisions via other means than flooding threads with dialogues like 'you found it cheaper at another place'.

at end of it,if anyone finds a cheaper deal,go for it but why whine and brag at a seller thread.

also this forum has dedicated threads which reports best offers at various online/offline stores so why mess up someone's sale thread.

if your truly concerned you wouldnt find this as a suppression to freedom of speech
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This is a topic that has been discussed several times in the past...

There are two aspects to this and you are only considering one of them. While it is true that some times comments can ruin certain kinds of sales especially when its done with malice, it is also true that one part of the essence of such forums is to help people avoid getting suckered into raw deals. All members here may not have the same level of knowledge about the products and the market. So for instance, if somebody is trying to sell a used product for a certain amount and the same is available at a lower price brand new in the market, do you think it is fair to allow a newbie to be suckered into buying a used item at a price higher than the market. Often, people come here trusting that the people on these forums are reliable and that the sales in the market sections are fair. Is it right to let a potential bad deal ruin his opinion on the entire forum and make him think that the forum is filled with liars and cheaters?

Make no mistake about it, there have been instances in the past where certain people tried to use TE in that manner. They too were desperate to keep people from posting in their threads to warn potential buyers. I distinctly remember one guy who tried to sell an age old laptop at more than its brand new market price and with a lot of misinformation to boot and he too was desperate to keep people from posting in his thread so that he can quickly find a scrape-goat. Ultimately he did find his scrap goat outside in the forums who according to him was a friends friend and he was obviously very technologically challenged and unaware of market prices considering he could have easily bought a brand new laptop that is twice as fast as the used one he was suckered into. That seller was never seen again on the forum.

The bottom line is that if you have a fair deal, nothing can really ruin the sale. There are already checks in place to moderate posts with malicious intent and also penalize the posters when required. if you think a post is not relevant or of malicious intent, then you can simply report it to the mods and they will take that decision.

People are free to name their price on their goods, but people should also be free to warn fellow members in case they are walking into an outright bad deal.
 
I think that if there needs to be a price revision for the item, just mention it in the thread. PMing the seller to reduce price will have no effect on some of the sellers. However, vague comments should be discouraged.

Also, of late, have noticed TE becoming more of traders enclave than the tech for which it was originally. Many people come and put stuff for sale, newbies included.

And finally, we should restrict selling of coupon and vouchers. Just my 2 cents.
 
Link - Xbox 360 4 GB Slim

RD274 said:
And what would be the point of purchasing from this forum -which encourages dicussion- when he can't speak his mind? Might as well sell it on ebay or olx then.
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I am not restricting tanve3r but he should have negotiated with zanderzone via PM.

Let me show you an example of what is going on & why I stated what I did -
Psp Slim Lite Modded Cfw
nikhiljabeen is struggling to sell his PSP and since it is a 2000 with a permanent mod which is difficult to find he might be selling it at a loss. Why will that happen? Because, some trollers who had no intention of buying the product made comments on price directly instead of the PM route & now even questioning the authenticity which would make any buyer a bit apprehensive. I don't know how much he would have got without that interference or would he still be struggling to sell it but his thread was seriously compromised because of this.
Freaky, Gannu, Mephistopheles, Saiyan - The earlier stricter rules should either be brought back or new stricter rules should be implemented as seen fit. Just look at bmwfanboy in the thread. 6 posts old and messing in the said thread. The buyer if not satisfied can always return the device and demand a refund.
vivek.krishnan - Agreed the forum is turning into a trade haven.
 
You're walking towards the other end of the spectrum now. This is a case of a seller being bullied by prospective buyers into dropping his price. Although in my opinion I don't think that thread was too bad, the seller knew what he was selling regardless of the negative comments on his thread, he handled it quite fine. Furthermore, the thread was ugly but definetly not compromised as he stated quite clearly that he wanted the PSP sold fast and its been 25 days+. What do you think his price should be after so long?

Also, PSPs don't carry much value nowadays. And that PSP 2000 in question carries even less value since the newer and better 3000s now have a software mod that allow them to stay in cfw even when switched on and off making 2000s redundant. Don't jump to conclusions so easily mate.
 
@RD274 - The point I am stressing upon is -
If a price revision was required the seller should have been told via PM and not on thread directly affecting the sale.

The issue is not the version of PSP or how old the 360 is - which in this case is brand new - or their demand.

I open a shop to sell a particular product and have some prospective buyers. A person comes in and yells out - that he sold it for much lesser price or is the product I am selling authentic or it is a second hand so the price should be lesser. In all this is the buyers leave my shop or ask for discounts. If I am confident I hold my ground or have to compromise.

This is what should be curbed or there will soon be guys with multiple accounts tricking sellers to sell at a lower price. The fact that a mandatory number of posts or reputation is not required to use the trade section doesn't help either.
 
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prabs said:
RD274 - The point I am stressing upon is -
If a price revision was required the seller should have been told via PM and not on thread directly affecting the sale.

The issue is not the version of PSP or how old the 360 is - which in this case is brand new - or their demand.

I open a shop to sell a particular product and have some prospective buyers. A person comes in and yells out - that he sold it for much lesser price or is the product I am selling authentic or it is a second hand so the price should be lesser. In all this is the buyers leave my shop or ask for discounts. If I am confident I hold my ground or have to compromise.

This is what should be curbed or there will soon be guys with multiple accounts tricking sellers to sell at a lower price. The fact that a mandatory number of posts or reputation is not required to use the trade section doesn't help either.
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TE is not a shop or OLX or Ebay where a seller has full power to control who says what or what comments should be present on his post. This is a forum where everything goes on as a discussion. If a person posts a price, I don't see why he shouldn't have to face criticism or praise for his price from other members. The point of the forum is to discuss and even if someone with multiple accounts did come in and post multiple bogus comments in an attempt to trick the seller into lowering his price, then I'm pretty sure that there will other people who will defend the price as what happenend in Zanderzones Xbox thread.
 
I think I kind of agree with what RD274 posted. If it's a sale thread, any piece of information that may help the seller or the prospective buyer is valuable. Bourne who posted his experience with the sale of his device for instance. His second post however, was totally uncalled for and might have possibly ticked off the OP. Lowballing openly is discouraged on the forums, however I don't suppose we have a rule for that.

Imposing stricter rules sometimes do more harm than good. We urge members to report posts in the trade sections that count as off-topic and/or free bumps or those that do not meet the requirements of a sale thread such as the template or the snaps as per rules. Such posts are trashed on sight and warnings/infractions are doled out.

prabs - appreciate your concern though. :)
 
Recenty I am getting a feeling that there are some posters here who just come here to make their sales and nothing else and their prices are absolutely horrendous. Recently one guy was trying to sell a win 7 which was given to ms employees as a launch gift and was not supposed to be sold. they are just using this platform to make their sales but dont want to face criticism is not good imo.
 
Most people will read the OP as:

I put up ABC for sale and some person has to come and spoil it with a link that sells it for lower or give off information about warranty that I have been intending to hide

Why such a rule is not required

Any post that is not beneficial in the larger interest and could be categorised into simple trolling or excessive price mongering that is annoyingly spammed or simply misguiding people in multiple threads can always be REPORTED. Action is always taken against such individuals.

Once again Use the Report function
 
prabs said:
Link - Xbox 360 4 GB Slim



I am not restricting tanve3r but he should have negotiated with zanderzone via PM.

Let me show you an example of what is going on & why I stated what I did -
Psp Slim Lite Modded Cfw
nikhiljabeen is struggling to sell his PSP and since it is a 2000 with a permanent mod which is difficult to find he might be selling it at a loss. Why will that happen? Because, some trollers who had no intention of buying the product made comments on price directly instead of the PM route & now even questioning the authenticity which would make any buyer a bit apprehensive. I don't know how much he would have got without that interference or would he still be struggling to sell it but his thread was seriously compromised because of this.
Freaky, Gannu, Mephistopheles, Saiyan - The earlier stricter rules should either be brought back or new stricter rules should be implemented as seen fit. Just look at bmwfanboy in the thread. 6 posts old and messing in the said thread. The buyer if not satisfied can always return the device and demand a refund.
vivek.krishnan - Agreed the forum is turning into a trade haven.
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The second hand is a second hand phrase was incorrect but iam seeing techenclave from past 4.8 years many things changed.
But their is one thing i would like to add if trading is done in the thread lots of users will get knowledge which some times helps a lot as everyone cannot now everything about all the products and market price.
This will help everyone to judge the correct price too. Hope iam not incorrect.
 
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