PS2 Fans Cheer up ! PS2 Will Not Die !

[Blade_Runner]

Dude we are talking of gaming in india , not america ! You tell me in india how many of us have that dream rig ? a geforce 7800 ? 2 gbs of ram ?Tons of harddisk ?Not everybody is lucky to have that kinda luxuary which will easily cost more than rs 60000 !

uh ! when did anyone here tell you to go spend 60k on a gaming PC. Secondly unless running insane resolutions u dont need a 7800 series card. Thirdly never blame money or other peoples choice in order to justify your claim of "PS2 ownz PC". Thats statement is really kiddish.......

Just think about it whether an intelligent gamer would spend more than rs 60000 to play good games or would he rather buy a PS2 for 8 k ?

Ahem, so the 2k plus members of TE who are 70-80% all gamers are dumb ? Was i dumb on spending on both the ps2 and a gaming rig both ? Or were you intelligent in buying a ps2 and croning about its advantages ? Its all in the economics, you might feel its stupid to spend some cash on a good PC, others might not. You can't seriously expect people to believe that the ps2 is a better platform for gaming because it is cheap or because gaming rigs cost more.

You are saying that gameplay on a PS2 is being hampered , then let me tell u my friend gameplay is PS2 biggest strength ! Sure it can't compete with a PC in graphics department but gameplay of PS2 is far better then that of a PC.
Well i agree FPS games play good only on a pc but then what about other games ? Can u even think of playing games like devil may cry 3 , god of war , smackdown series , tekken etc on a pc ?

Err.....please go back and read what gameplay is and how all the elements i.e. sounds, graphics, physics affect gameplay. Another thing you are quite unaware is that platformers and brawlers are mostly console material just like FPS, strategy etc are for the PC. So highlighting those are pretty much useless.

PS2 biggest strength is its LIFE!! Its already 6 years old and it will still go strong for another 2 years whereas a PC gets outdated in months , { 5 months back u got urself a geforce 6800 ultra and u were cherishing it but now u r banging ur head aginst a wall coz 7800 is here ! }

Agreed, the biggest advantage of a console is the life and no upgrade thing. Well things will change from now. There will be upgradeable hdds, add-on controllers, addon drives like hd-dvd etc, media storage etc. All of these are upgrades in a way which are going to happen with the next gen consoles.
Why shud i bang my head if i dont have a 7800 now ? I am playing mostly @ 1024 and 1280 for which the 6800U does more than fine.
Again i am sure most of the ps2 gamers harping here forget the cost of ownership of games (mostly due to the abundance in the availability of pirated games) ps2 games costly like 3k each while PC games are available for half the cost. One of the important factors which everyone ignores mostly since everyone is busy pirating, but makes a valid point in this debate.

Thats how it is dude , when ps3 will come out i would still buy it for 25 k instead of buying a gaming PC coz i know that my ps3 will be here atleast for another 6 years !

yeah sure man go ahead and buy the ps3. i would prolly buy it as well when the prices come down. For now just tell me this: How are you posting on this message board ? Using the ps2 and its uber surfing capabilities ? or A Humble PC ?

 

[Bluffmaster]

uh ! when did anyone here tell you to go spend 60k on a gaming PC. Secondly unless running insane resolutions u dont need a 7800 series card. Thirdly never blame money or other peoples choice in order to justify your claim of "PS2 ownz PC". Thats statement is really kiddish.......

Dude u r living in INDIA , and we are talking gaming in INDIA. and all i can say is that yes in INDIA PS2 ownz PC. Not that many are having a PS2 in india but then not many are having 6800 ultra either !:hap5:

Ahem, so the 2k plus members of TE who are 70-80% all gamers are dumb ? Was i dumb on spending on both the ps2 and a gaming rig both ? Or were you intelligent in buying a ps2 and croning about its advantages ? Its all in the economics, you might feel its stupid to spend some cash on a good PC, others might not. You can't seriously expect people to believe that the ps2 is a better platform for gaming because it is cheap or because gaming rigs cost more.

Dude just becoz some 2000 indian gamers on this site owns a gaming rig , u r assuming that everybody has a gaming PC . I must tell u there are still lakhs of gamers in india for whom a good gaming rig is still a dream! Why? coz money does'nt grow on trees !
My Friend beats me in many new games on my PC but he still plays NFS 2 on his comp, why ?not becoz he loves that game but becoz he cant AFFORD a good gaming PC !

Err.....please go back and read what gameplay is and how all the elements i.e. sounds, graphics, physics affect gameplay. Another thing you are quite unaware is that platformers and brawlers are mostly console material just like FPS, strategy etc are for the PC. So highlighting those are pretty much useless.

You are the first one who says for a good GAMEPLAY graphics , sound , physics etc is important :rofl: ! I wonder why i still play pacman and mario :down: !

Agreed, the biggest advantage of a console is the life and no upgrade thing. Well things will change from now. There will be upgradeable hdds, add-on controllers, addon drives like hd-dvd etc, media storage etc. All of these are upgrades in a way which are going to happen with the next gen consoles.

Who said u that they are not available now ?You can still replace the ps2 dvd drive with a better DVD writer ! There are still tons and tons of controllers available which are better than the orignals , You can still buy a Harddisk for the ps2 fatboy, but hey does that change anything ? Iam still playing all the cool games the same way !:clap:

Why shud i bang my head if i dont have a 7800 now ? I am playing mostly @ 1024 and 1280 for which the 6800U does more than fine.

Ok say that after a year when ur 6800 ultra wont support anymore new awesome games !:bleh: :bleh:

Again i am sure most of the ps2 gamers harping here forget the cost of ownership of games (mostly due to the abundance in the availability of pirated games) ps2 games costly like 3k each while PC games are available for half the cost. One of the important factors which everyone ignores mostly since everyone is busy pirating, but makes a valid point in this debate.

You are living in INDIA dude ! And i fully support Piracy coz if a game costs u like rs4000 { which is a months salary for many } then u must be a real idiot to buy it when the same is available for 70 bucks !

Tell me why is movie piracy in INDIA less than the game piracy ? coz an orignal movie costs u around 200 bucks which most of us can afford , but buying a game for 3000 bucks thats just crazy !:S The publishers should realize that and bring down gaming prices in INDIA if they want the piracy to be reduced !:no:

A game in US costs around 40$ which for them is like 400 bucks.:hap2:

yeah sure man go ahead and buy the ps3. i would prolly buy it as well when the prices come down. For now just tell me this: How are you posting on this message board ? Using the ps2 and its uber surfing capabilities ? or A Humble PC.

A humble PC ofcourse but not a gaming PC !:bleh:

 

[Blade_Runner]

Lol no comments seriously...............i'd better stop arguing with you.

As for the gameplay part ever made use of sound of footsteps to gauge where the opponent is coming from. Ever though that ricocheting bullets killing opponents or physics involved in sniping that enemy soldier on the high lookout post. lol you seriously have no idea nor have you given a thought.

Then you keep iterating ps2 owns PC when clearly the majority in this thread have said the opposite. When you say ppl can afford a hi-end "multipurpose" PC what makes you think they'll opt for a expensive gaming only machine. :|

Tell me where to get my ps2 dvd drive replaced with a dvd-writer btw. :rofl:

After a year or even 2-3 years the 6800u will still be playing games decently. I still have gamer friends using geforce fx5200 and mx440s.

One more time you call someone a idiot and i'll ban you for personal attacks. This is your 3rd time in this thread so far. No mercy henceforth, params is also debating from your side but hasn't been hostile.

And the last thing u posted that you are using a PC iterates what i have been trying to prove.

 

[Bluffmaster]

As for the gameplay part ever made use of sound of footsteps to gauge where the opponent is coming from. Ever though that ricocheting bullets killing opponents or physics involved in sniping that enemy soldier on the high lookout post. lol you seriously have no idea nor have you given a thought.
ALRIGHT U MEAN THAT PS2 GAMES DOES'NT HAVE GOOD SOUND EFFECTS !OK COOL !

Then you keep iterating ps2 owns PC when clearly the majority in this thread have said the opposite. When you say ppl can afford a hi-end "multipurpose" PC what makes you think they'll opt for a expensive gaming only machine.

THATS BECOZ MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE HERE OWN A PC AND NOT PS2 !
One more time you call someone a idiot and i'll ban you for personal attacks. This is your 3rd time in this thread so far. No mercy henceforth, params is also debating from your side but hasn't been hostile.

YOU ARE HEATING UP COZ U R LOOSING TO ME IN THIS DEBATE.
YOU ARE GONNA BAN ME FOR SAYING IDIOT ? LOL WHO CARES !

IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT IDOT IDIOT
And the last thing u posted that you are using a PC iterates what i have been trying to prove.

IT PROVED NOTHING !

 

[Blade_Runner]

See you after 2 days bluffmaster. Keep acting this way and you'll get a permanent ban. This community can do without inane members like youself.

 

[Neotheone]

Ok, shall we get on with the topic ?? anyway, what does a ps2 game disc cost in the local market........are the games shipped on a dvd or a cd ??
and can one play movies and mp3's on a PS2?? (use it as a CD/DVD player)
and yes can i hook it up to my 17' monitor instead of my TV?
as u can see, i know little abt ps2 .
any help will be great

 

[madmonkey]

Yes,the PS2 does play dvd movies and mp3's(also there are some cases where ppl who had their PS2's modified won't be able to play dvds),where as the games being shipped well it's now dvd's cause I hardly see any cds nowadays.For the price I assume you are talking the legal version as it would cost frm Rs.700 to Rs.3000 but I strongly advise you to check all stores if you are buying the original for 3k cause I wanted to buy half-life 1 which was 3k in one of the stores after which my friend told me to check some sites and tht's where I found out tht they were selling Half-Life 1 for Rs.1500.

 

[Params7]

They are kids Amol. You've to ignore the token diss in each line.

Uhm, yes, that is the reply good ol' uncles and bhaiyas give when they can't counter the arguments posted against them? Or can't can't agree with them either? yeah, lets just ignore the children...no matter how much sense they actually make, there's no sense with agreeing with them in any of the points.

A brand new ps2 is still 8-9k not 7k. Another thing is it took almost 5-6 years for the ps2 to achieve this price. Until then it was around 15k and around 22k or so when it debuted or atleast when i first saw it. Besides due to limited cpu and gpu capability gameplay is being hampered

not true. Ps2 hit 179$ well over 2 years ago, that's 9k. It was 15 in India only if you went to the showrooms or malls, at that time Bazee had users selling it for 11k.

No real physics, no real time shadowing, most of the gameplay is scripted. With the next gen consoles most of these issues will be solved but still the PC gaming market will expand and continue to grow until a suitable or better alternative to it is developed.

PC has lost its killer exclusives. Even those specially known for producing grpahics, PC's only leading quality, Farcry left for the consoles. The devs wanted money, there's lots in the console market.

and 100% sims are not killers. Even with that limited hardware ps2 still produced something like Gran Turismo. Not a sim, but close, doesn't produce shadows, but close.

And don't forget the fact that without the PCs you wouldn't have console gaming in the first place.

:huh: Without a PC this world wouldn't function and i wouldn't be able to post on TE and surf porn. In any case let me remind you this is a ' PC gaming vs Ps2 ' topic

Well things will change from now. There will be upgradeable hdds, add-on controllers, addon drives like hd-dvd etc, media storage etc. All of these are upgrades in a way which are going to happen with the next gen consoles.

So? The HDD are for storing data and rips, so people can play without the disks, its entirely optional. Xbox 360 won't start lagging and crash into blue screens of death if we didn't attach an upgraded controller or a hard disk drive, same thing cannot be said for a PC, becuase in there, its impossible to play without a ton of hardware requirements.

 

[Params7]

Again i am sure most of the ps2 gamers harping here forget the cost of ownership of games (mostly due to the abundance in the availability of pirated games) ps2 games costly like 3k each while PC games are available for half the cost. One of the important factors which everyone ignores mostly since everyone is busy pirating, but makes a valid point in this debate.

You're forgetting the fact PC games can be pirated much easier and faster than ps2. Abundace of pirated games for PC? Are you kidding? The internet is full of ripped PC games. Did you know how many people download Doom3 on its release date of suprnova.org? PC games get pirated a generation above Ps2 all over the world. Ps2 only gets heavily pirated in mid-Asia.

FPS, strategy etc are for the PC

Fps is going to the consoles, belive it or not (Farcry, Doom3, HF-2) While those were some of the greatest FPS PC got, while consoles got tons of more killer exclusives like Halo, Re4(almost FPS). Others like Black (about to release), KillZone, TimeSplitters(also best), Darkwatch, Area51, ColdWinter, Resident Evil : Dead Aim are only to name a latest few getting all good ratings at gamespot. People have actually settled in for the analogue joystick for the mouse, plus the GunCon makes Timesplitters and Resident Evil Dead Aim fun beyond levels.

all the other FPS you might name on PC, don't post those who's port are on consoles (the list i posted above are none for PC) Fear is good, it was aimed against Re4 and didn't do anything to move it, it was good on the PC, but in overall gaming, it isn't one of the best.

With next-gen hitting, exclusive FPS's will be dead on PC (Counter Strike is the only one i see) and the only strength PC will have is strategy (and MMORPG).

All other genres, exclduing Sims, have stronger, much stronger hold on the consoles. Plus consoles went to create some of its own genres like survival horror and Beat em' ups.

@Bluff - Cool down. You gotta' listen to other people's opinion too. And when posting in debates, try to post full words. It gives kiddish feeling otherwise and English Professors like Saumil are just wating there to pick on not realizing that's the way how 80% of people post online.

 

[Params7]

Getting back to its original discussion -

New Mortal Kombat game announced! And believe me this is the one the fans were looking for since Mk: Deadly Alliance! hyeah:

http://www.mkoutworld.net/?id=games/mka

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Features 60+ characters
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Create a character
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Create a Fatality
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Shaolin Monks style Konquest
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New krypt to unlock
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Directional throws
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Air combat
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Online Play
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Rumored October release
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For PS2 and Xbox

Sad thing it'll be released around this year end though.

 

[apollyon]

^^any chances of a pc version being released??...i luv mk

 

[Nikhil]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Bluffmaster ---- You started this topic and everyone gave you credit for that. and it ended up with you getting banned!!! OMG!!!

jeez...

Anyway, Mortal Kombat....I never played the game on PC but I had played the game on one of those hand held video game machines. I liked it quite a bit. Hope it comes for PC too....s

 

[Neotheone]

anyway, i'd like 2 know if i can connect a ps2 to my monitor and yes is it possible(i believe it's not) to play multiplayer games with one ps2 and a PC

 

[Bluffmaster]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Bluffmaster ---- You started this topic and everyone gave you credit for that. and it ended up with you getting banned!!! OMG!!!

jeez...

Anyway, Mortal Kombat....I never played the game on PC but I had played the game on one of those hand held video game machines. I liked it quite a bit. Hope it comes for PC too....s

Wanna know why i was banned ? I was constantly defeating mr. blade_runner in the debate:clap: , he got real pissed off and then he banned me !
He said that he has banned me for using the word 'Idiot' . i mean com'on is'nt that hilarious :rofl: ? have u ever heard someone getting banned for using the word 'Idiot' ?:huh:

Anyways staying on-topic I think MK is a decent game but it is not what it used to be, it has really gone down in terms of gameplay , graphics etc but this last attempt may just be fruitfull for them as it was for smackdown vs raw 2006 ! :hap2:

 

[Blade_Runner]

Lol defeating, debating what are you onto ? . Grow up kid. The ban was solely due to the fact that you wanted one. You brought it upon yourself. It had nothing to do with using the word "idiot" moreso with breaking the rules and being nonchalant about it. I could have banned you forever if i wanted to misuse my powers.

PS: do a search, this isnt the first time there has been a pc vs ps2 debate on TE.

 

[Bluffmaster]

You are the moderator , so really there is no point arguing with you !
I dont like u one bit but anyways congrats for that psp !

 

[Nikhil]

@Bluffmaster ---- I tend to agree with Blade here.... Your last post before you got banned was very kiddish. You didnt win the argument. Ask any one here..... But if you want to feel that you won the debate, then Ok.

If it makes you feel happy, I declare that BLUFFMASTER WON THE DEBATE against Blade. Happy now??

 

[Bluffmaster]

Who do you think you are to declare anything ?
Thanx anyways !

 

[Params7]

i'm not one bit surprised yet another topic on this ended this way.
I think someone should make a PC vs consoles and sticky it. lol, that'll bring over major heat all over TE.

 

[Darthcoder]

We had such a good debate there..(The PC vs Consoles thread, with numerous Farcry and RE4 screenshots and Params vs Sawmill(with me and SC chipping in), that was fun!!Atleast I had page long posts to read while i was bored in the office, anyways I'll search for it and read it in da office tomorrow ).

On a serious note, It was really a neat debate...but for the Mods...ufff......

DC.