CPU/Mobo RAM questions.

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Hey,
I know about windows and vista 32 bits not able to support 4gb ram.
But wanted to know if there will be any harm on system performance in case I add 4x1 Gb RAMs to the system and will there be adverse effects on games...

Also will vista and xp 64 bit support all 32 bit applications ?
 
About the first queston, there si no harm in adding 4gb of ram with a 32 bit system. It will work fine, infact vista will show 4 gb of ram, but will use only 3. About the second queston i dont know.
 
The extra 1 GB left RAM will be used by Windows for graphic intensive work. The extra RAM will also help Windows for not storing temporary data in HDD and it will store all data in RAM. This will improve the response time. With high end games, you will be able to switch between the game window and desktop by pressing ALT+Tab. That should happens switfly.( Thanks for the 1 GB extra RAM).:hap2:

I am using 4 GB RAM on my 32 bit Vista OS and I am happy with it. It does not give me great performance while doing mundane tasks on my puter, but it does help improve the response time while either playing games or while doing graphic intensive work. :)
 
@girish78, I guess you have benchmarked/ researched the benefits of a 4GB config over a 3GB setup on your 32 bit OS? Please avoid giving blanket statements as "I know" when u only mean "I think".

@deaddevil, all 32 bit apps work fine on any of the x64 OSes (XP/ Vista).
 
girish78 said:
The extra 1 GB left RAM will be used by Windows for graphic intensive work. The extra RAM will also help Windows for not storing temporary data in HDD and it will store all data in RAM. This will improve the response time. With high end games, you will be able to switch between the game window and desktop by pressing ALT+Tab. That should happens switfly.( Thanks for the 1 GB extra RAM).:hap2:
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are you sure about this...:cool2:
i dont think it will be any help as windows wont be able to address any memory beyond whatever is the limit for 32bit OS's...
and if memory is not addressed, it is of no use whatsoever...

@op

as for your 1st question,
certainly it wont be a hinderance, just that some ram would go un-utilised...

and second question,
i think most 32 bit apps will work on a 64bit OS...
it is just the drivers you will need to be particular about...
 
@ girish, no way man, I have never heard this theory before. The OS only recognises 3 GB, so thats what it will use and nothing more.
 
i had tried checking some articles on the issue of 4gb ram on 32 bit OS's, and they are say that the os show 3 ~ 3.5 gb, because of the 32 bit syatem addressing bus etc etc...

So what I feel was adding 4 Gb does not benefit much, but just wanted to know if There would be damage to the ram or load on it....and that has been answered by most of you,

Also about 32 bit applications working on 64 bit, are you guys sure no issues installing 32 on 64.

I mostly use system utilities, movie viewing software, theme loaders, gadgets, games, graphic editing utilities, 3D graphic development tools, Game development tools, Music players, Game clone softwares, Office, and any other software that is usefull.

So will 64 bit affect these 32 bit applications for eg like photoshop, maya, tuneup utilities, style Xp, hyperdesks, etc etc
 
Well, for the usual stuff, 32 bit and 64 bit are the same but for Vista's caching feature, the more RAM u have the more responsive is the OS. :cool2:

Hence, if u use the 4 RAM sticks in x64, it will be better utilized, while in x32 it would be a wastage of a Gig of RAM. The extra 1GB won't be used in x32 whatever be it be. :bleh:

Regarding application installs, everything will install just fine. However, some mechanical tools don't work on Vista unless u have the latest version supporting Vista.
Same for all, u can't expect a 10 year old software to work unless u have updated it.

Apart from this, u installl movie watching softwares, music playback, video editing or whatever, it will perform better in x64. Especially Photoshop uses lot of memory so a extra Gig would definitely boost the performance of photo editing...:ohyeah:

Now, u know which way to go...Ain't it? :P
 
4GB ram is not a bottle neck for any 32bit OS. just in BIOS post it will show as 3.2GB, but no issues. it will utilize it( to my knowledge).

So u can use 4x 1GB RAM in



Recently i came across a MODDED installation of Windows Vista 32-Bit which supports more than 4GB, i don't know logically it's possible. since 32-Bit will have limits right?.

regarding 4 x 1 GB RAM, which processor are you using ??.

If u use AMD Procy there is much performace difference in Ganged and Unganged mode of Dual Channel memory(for PHENOM).

if u put it on Each Cores of Phenom will get access to each slots of Memory ( it will be dual 64 bit memory controller bus, but it's efficient , becoz each core has it's own individual slots of RAM available for them)

in ganged mode it will run as single memory controller bus ( 2 x 64-bit memory ==> 128bit)

It is amd's version of Nvidia's Locked vs unlocked architecture.

basically allowing you to use your ram in dual channel vs single channel.

Ganged = dual channel mode for ram. All cores get access to 100% of the ram.

unganged = single channel. Each core gets access to a stick of ram.

In theory, the unganged mode is better as each core will get access to data quicker. In theory.

Some limitations apply... and i dont know muchelse.
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The Athlon AM2 doesn't support the ganged or unganged function only the AM2+ cpu's do
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the dual channel unganged mode is detected as two independent 64bit controllers so is better for multitasking.
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regarding 4 x 1 GB RAM, which processor are you using ??.
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currently using AM2 3600+ ~ 1.9 ghz.
Will buy AM2 6000+ ~ 3.0 Ghz.

All the four modules of RAm are 667 mhz and 1Gb.

Also will 6000+ be a good CPu for gaming, for games like mirror's edge, fear 2, bioshock, crysis, farcry2, undercover etc, with a 8400 GS (coz very very low on budget).
 
HellBoyX2 said:
4GB ram is not a bottle neck for any 32bit OS. just in BIOS post it will show as 3.2GB, but no issues. it will utilize it( to my knowledge).

So u can use 4x 1GB RAM in



Recently i came across a MODDED installation of Windows Vista 32-Bit which supports more than 4GB, i don't know logically it's possible. since 32-Bit will have limits right?.
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A 32 bit OS can natively support ONLY 4096M address locations.

A PC has components such as Buses, graphics card memory, ports, additional devices etc, which need memory addresses. Thus, depending upon your individual config a rig running a 32bit OS with 4 gigs of RAM will show up as utilizing varying amounts, between 2.5-3.5Gigs.. BUT NEVER 4 Gigs.

There is nothing like a 'modded Vista for > 4gig support.

Its a simple boottime switch option known as Physical Address Extension. It is NOT a recommended alternative to using a 64bit OS.

I repeat once again, the ONLY way to get STABLE and ISSUE FREE access to 4G or greater amounts of memory on a MS Windows OS is to use a 64Bit version of the same.

currently using AM2 3600+ ~ 1.9 ghz.

Will buy AM2 6000+ ~ 3.0 Ghz.

All the four modules of RAm are 667 mhz and 1Gb.

Also will 6000+ be a good CPu for gaming, for games like mirror's edge, fear 2, bioshock, crysis, farcry2, undercover etc, with a 8400 GS (coz very very low on budget).
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I would recommend going in for a better video card than a faster processor. A HD4670/9600GT will be a wayy better upgrade when compared to a faster processor.
 
@HellBoyX2

There is never a possibility of 4GB used by a 32bit OS.
Say, u have 4GB of RAM and then u have a sound card and a graphics card. Now the total memory used by the 32bit OS as in my config is 3.25GB. The rest is mapped for the sound card, graphics card and others.

U are looking at dual channel memory advantage. Dat is overall a different topic. :bleh:

Dual channel(128) is always better performing than single channel(64). Whether u use a 32bit OS or 64, dual channel is better but rather lets stay in topic rather than deviating away into another...:)
 
^^ 32Bit windows can have greater than 4G addressable locations.

wiki/google for Physical Address Extension.

Just that it aint the most elegant/stable way to go about things.
 
Ya, i remember there was something called a PAE switch which when executed allowed for full RAM usage but it had lots of issues and hence it was not popular. :)

Best option is as u said always stay by a 64bit OS which can address the complete RAM without any hassles. :)
 
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